Needschat Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 ESPN reporting Neymar is done, broken vertebra Oh what could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS729 Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 Neymar's done. Will miss rest of World Cup. http://www.wistv.com/story/25944410/neymar-in-doubt-for-world-cup-semifinalsEDIT: Needschat basically said it above me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportstar1212 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 No Neymar or Thiago Silva will make for a much easier game for Germany. I'm looking forward to Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twi Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That's not what he meant dba, and you know it. Show us where those exact examples of players pretending to be hurt were celebrated by the fans of those teams.Any examples of dives being celebrated by soccer fans? Odd only one side is expected to provide proof here, especially when it's not the one originally accusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That's not what he meant dba, and you know it. Show us where those exact examples of players pretending to be hurt were celebrated by the fans of those teams.Any examples of dives being celebrated by soccer fans? Odd only one side is expected to provide proof here, especially when it's not the one originally accusing!I don't "hate" soccer. I wish it well. That being said, from an outsider's perspective, it appears as if there is more diving and overall dirty play in soccer compared to the "big four" sports in North America. Which leads me, a soccer outsider, to assume that soccer "culture" tolerates it more then the cultures surrounding other sports.EDIT-Also this...http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/06/16/in-defence-of-diving-in-soccer-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/06/why_diving_makes_soccer_great.htmlhttp://www.psmag.com/culture/defense-diving-flopping-cheating-sports-66007/So there's your proof (discovered from a simple Google search!) Find me articles defending diving in hockey or flopping in basketball.EDIT 2.0- I did the same Google search, just swapping out "soccer" for "hockey," to see if any articles existed. First hit on Google for "defence of diving in hockey"? One of the above "in defence of diving in soccer" articles. So...there you are. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That's not what he meant dba, and you know it. Show us where those exact examples of players pretending to be hurt were celebrated by the fans of those teams.Any examples of dives being celebrated by soccer fans? Odd only one side is expected to provide proof here, especially when it's not the one originally accusing!I don't "hate" soccer. I wish it well. That being said, from an outsider's perspective, it appears as if there is more diving and overall dirty play in soccer compared to the "big four" sports in North America. Which leads me, a soccer outsider, to assume that soccer "culture" tolerates it more then the cultures surrounding other sports.EDIT-Also this...http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/06/16/in-defence-of-diving-in-soccer-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/06/why_diving_makes_soccer_great.htmlhttp://www.psmag.com/culture/defense-diving-flopping-cheating-sports-66007/So there's your proof (discovered from a simple Google search!) Find me articles defending diving in hockey or flopping in basketball.EDIT 2.0- I did the same Google search, just swapping out "soccer" for "hockey," to see if any articles existed. First hit on Google for "defence of diving in hockey"? One of the above "in defence of diving in soccer" articles. So...there you are.Just because you can find two articles that specifically defend flopping in soccer (the psmag article defends flopping in general and defends it in the NBA) doesn't make it "tolerated" by fans of that sport. Here are a few articles I found when searching for articles that defend flopping in the NBA on google (three if you count the psmag article)http://www.crabdribbles.com/why-i-dont-hate-flopping/http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/in-defense-of-flopping-and-diving/Here is an article in Sports Illustrated in 1963 featuring Frank Ramsey who played for the Celtics when Red Auerbach was coaching who reveled in the flopping he did. (http://www.si.com/vault/1963/12/09/595084/smart-moves-by-a-master-of-deception)Does that mean that "basketball culture" tolerates flopping? From my experience of talking to and being an NBA for years both online and in person I would definitely say no. Just as I would say no based on what I have seen online from soccer fans and from the ones I have talked to in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That's not what he meant dba, and you know it. Show us where those exact examples of players pretending to be hurt were celebrated by the fans of those teams.Any examples of dives being celebrated by soccer fans? Odd only one side is expected to provide proof here, especially when it's not the one originally accusing!I don't "hate" soccer. I wish it well. That being said, from an outsider's perspective, it appears as if there is more diving and overall dirty play in soccer compared to the "big four" sports in North America. Which leads me, a soccer outsider, to assume that soccer "culture" tolerates it more then the cultures surrounding other sports.EDIT-Also this...http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/06/16/in-defence-of-diving-in-soccer-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/06/why_diving_makes_soccer_great.htmlhttp://www.psmag.com/culture/defense-diving-flopping-cheating-sports-66007/So there's your proof (discovered from a simple Google search!) Find me articles defending diving in hockey or flopping in basketball.EDIT 2.0- I did the same Google search, just swapping out "soccer" for "hockey," to see if any articles existed. First hit on Google for "defence of diving in hockey"? One of the above "in defence of diving in soccer" articles. So...there you are. Just because you can find two articles that specifically defend flopping in soccer (the psmag article defends flopping in general and defends it in the NBA) doesn't make it "tolerated" by fans of that sport. While media =/= the fanbase I think there's something to be said for the fact that diving in ice hockey gets a player or even team lambasted and shamed while teams comprised of the best soccer players in the world, on the biggest stage of international soccer, regularly dive. And then have people writing articles to defend it. Here are a few articles I found when searching for articles that defend flopping in the NBA on google (three if you count the psmag article)http://www.crabdribbles.com/why-i-dont-hate-flopping/http://www.sportskeeda.com/football/in-defense-of-flopping-and-diving/Here is an article in Sports Illustrated in 1963 by Frank Ramsey who played for the Celtics when Red Auerbach was coaching them reveling in the flopping he did. (http://www.si.com/vault/1963/12/09/595084/smart-moves-by-a-master-of-deception)Does that mean that "basketball culture" tolerates flopping?I'm more or less a basketball outsider, but if you have journalists who cover the sport defending the practice then maybe, yeah. It may not be glorifying flopping or diving but if soccer and basketball players make it to the highest level of competition in their sports engrained with the idea that it's ok to flop and dive, the coaches defend and encourage it, and the media defends it, then yeah. At some level the culture of the games approves of, or at least tolerates, these antics. They didn't emerge from nothingness. They exist because on some cultural level their sports allow them to exist without shaming them.From my experience of talking to and being an NBA for years both online and in person I would definitely say no. Just as I would say no based on what I have seen online from soccer fans and from the ones I have talked to in person. Here's how I see it. Diving is generally frowned upon in North America. So soccer fans here will, traditionally, dislike that aspect of the game. Take a look at the US national team. They don't dive. There was that one American ref in the World Cup who made a bit of a splash for refusing to indulge divers. So if you're an American soccer fan you're more likely to say "no, soccer culture doesn't tolerate diving." Except that they're wrong. American soccer culture doesn't tolerate diving.Elsewhere though? I see too much dirty play from some national teams to assume that diving and other assorted acts cheating are frowned upon elsewhere. Italy? For G-d's sake. You can't tell me that diving is frowned upon there. Or how about Uraguay? Louis Suarez bites a man and what's the reaction from Uraguay? His teammates rush to pull the jersey over his victim's bite marks so the refs won't notice it. His coach claims it's not a big deal. The PRESIDENT OF URAGUAY picks him up from the airport after being sent home. American soccer culture looks down on dirty play, but I see too much evidence that suggests that isn't the case elsewhere. And it's a shame. Like I said, I wish soccer well. Objectively speaking it's a fine game. This diving and flopping and rampant corruption at the highest levels of FIFA really hurt the game's image, in my opinion. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 While media =/= the fanbase I think there's something to be said for the fact that diving in ice hockey gets a player or even team lambasted and shamed while teams comprised of the best soccer players in the world, on the biggest stage of international soccer, regularly dive. And then have people writing articles to defend it.I'm more or less a basketball outsider, but if you have journalists who cover the sport defending the practice then maybe, yeah. It may not be glorifying flopping or diving but if soccer and basketball players make it to the highest level of competition in their sports engrained with the idea that it's ok to flop and dive, the coaches defend and encourage it, and the media defends it, then yeah. At some level the culture of the games approves of, or at least tolerates, these antics. They didn't emerge from nothingness. They exist because on some cultural level their sports allow them to exist without shaming them.The fanbase is a part of the culture of any sport though since they are the ones that sustain it to the point where it can be seen as a suitable career choice to make a good living if someone feels that they have enough talent. You can't analyze the culture of a sport without analyzing the opinions of the fans involved. Especially since twi's original post stated to specifically prove that fans overall celebrated diving (from what I understood). Also just because we can find articles from random websites defending a certain position doesn't mean that the media as a whole agrees with a practice. I can find articles just as easily attacking the practice of flopping in both sports. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/thomas-muller-football-play-actors-should-7282471http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28093344http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1907084-flopping-in-the-nba-an-epidemic-that-shows-no-signs-of-improvementhttp://www.sportsonearth.com/article/48961204/Here's how I see it. Diving is generally frowned upon in North America. So soccer fans here will, traditionally, dislike that aspect of the game. Take a look at the US national team. They don't dive. There was that one American ref in the World Cup who made a bit of a splash for refusing to indulge divers. So if you're an American soccer fan you're more likely to say "no, soccer culture doesn't tolerate diving." Except that they're wrong. American soccer culture doesn't tolerate diving.Elsewhere though? I see too much dirty play from some national teams to assume that diving and other assorted acts cheating are frowned upon elsewhere. Italy? For G-d's sake. You can't tell me that diving is frowned upon there. Or how about Uruguay? Louis Suarez bites a man and what's the reaction from Uruguay? His teammates rush to pull the jersey over his victim's bite marks so the refs won't notice it. His coach claims it's not a big deal. The PRESIDENT OF URUGUAY picks him up from the airport after being sent home. American soccer culture looks down on dirty play, but I see too much evidence that suggests that isn't the case elsewhere. And it's a shame. Like I said, I wish soccer well. Objectively speaking it's a fine game. This diving and flopping and rampant corruption at the highest levels of FIFA really hurt the game's image, in my opinion.Yes there are certain places that accept flopping more than others when it comes to soccer and it's the same thing with basketball that has given international players a reputation for diving (even though a good amount of American players flop nowadays) but that doesn't mean it is celebrated throughout soccer culture from what I can see (though I am an outsider when it comes to European club soccer since I like to watch International & North American soccer most of the time as weird as that sounds). As for the Suarez incident I can say that the way the Uruguayan team and president acted was disgraceful and pretty much everyone online and in the media wanted the book thrown at the guy. The majority were pretty happy that an idiot that bite people was being punished though I did want the guy to be forced to get some sort of therapy. I do agree with you about FIFA's corruption being terrible and hurting the game's image and there are certain things that can make it hard for the average American to enjoy the game (the concept of offsides, lack of breaks, stoppage time being pulled out of someone's ass, etc). I don't think American sports fans being too pure for the underhanded tactic loving soccer culture while American sports have players using underhanded tactics as well (like basketball) is something that I buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Good show by the Argentines so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordsketor Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 First time since 1990, Argentina is through to the Semifinals. Many thanks to Discrimihater for making the sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnythingChicago Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Three of the four semifinalists will be Latin American nations if Costa Rica is victorious this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Three of the four semifinalists will be Latin American nations if Costa Rica is victorious this afternoon.I wouldn't bet on Costa Rica winning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Three of the four semifinalists will be Latin American nations if Costa Rica is victorious this afternoon. I wouldn't bet on Costa Rica winning though. Why? Are the refs in this one from UEFA as well? On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Three of the four semifinalists will be Latin American nations if Costa Rica is victorious this afternoon. I wouldn't bet on Costa Rica winning though.Why? Are the refs in this one from UEFA as well?No. Netherlands is the better team. Costa Rica may win but it's highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twi Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 That's not what he meant dba, and you know it. Show us where those exact examples of players pretending to be hurt were celebrated by the fans of those teams.Any examples of dives being celebrated by soccer fans? Odd only one side is expected to provide proof here, especially when it's not the one originally accusing!I don't "hate" soccer. I wish it well. That being said, from an outsider's perspective, it appears as if there is more diving and overall dirty play in soccer compared to the "big four" sports in North America. Which leads me, a soccer outsider, to assume that soccer "culture" tolerates it more then the cultures surrounding other sports.EDIT-Also this...http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/06/16/in-defence-of-diving-in-soccer-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2006/06/why_diving_makes_soccer_great.htmlhttp://www.psmag.com/culture/defense-diving-flopping-cheating-sports-66007/So there's your proof (discovered from a simple Google search!) Find me articles defending diving in hockey or flopping in basketball.EDIT 2.0- I did the same Google search, just swapping out "soccer" for "hockey," to see if any articles existed. First hit on Google for "defence of diving in hockey"? One of the above "in defence of diving in soccer" articles. So...there you are.As addressed by Nyk33, none of these links are a fan endorsing/celebrating diving. Examples of Italy and Uruguay being what they are doesn't mean it's supported by the fans. That would be like saying Canadians support dirty hockey because of Bobby Clarke's ankle slash. Most people are rational and see it for what it is. How many fans of North American sports teams openly support "tank jobs" for a better draft pick? Point is, there's unsavory acts of all sport and I'm not quite sure why soccer gets the bad rap. Good thing the general public only cares about us every fourth year! Lol The collars on these Costa Rica shirts look like they would be uncomfortable.Edit: Just watched the highlights of Argentina-Belgium...Argentina seems to find these brief moments that have been enough to get them through so far, I don't know if that will hold up to a Netherlands or Germany caliber team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltere Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Costa Rica somehow held out to take this to extra time. Keylor Navas has been exceptional in goal for them. 1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said: sorry sweetie, but I don't suck minor-league d CCSLC Post of the day September 3rd 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Feels like Costa Rica has been playing for PKs from the get-go -- knowing that's the only chance they've got against the Oranje. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 This game is incredible. One of the best games of all time; Costa Rica might pull it off. I'm not rooting for the underdog in this one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waltere Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Amazing call from van Gaal to swap goalkeepers in the 119th minute 1 hour ago, BringBackTheVet said: sorry sweetie, but I don't suck minor-league d CCSLC Post of the day September 3rd 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordsketor Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Holland will face Argentina on Wednesday, i wonder who Queen Maxima of the Netherlands will root for??? Many thanks to Discrimihater for making the sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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