sportstar1212 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Sounds like Middlebrooks is going to the Padres for Hanigan. A bit disappointed, since he was my favorite player. Ah well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I hadn't heard of a proposed Howard to Baltimore deal before. But nobody is giving the Phillies anything for him considering how awful he is and how terrible the contract is. If Howard were a free agent, some team would bring into camp on a minor league contract to see if he can rebound, but that's all he's worth. So even if the Phillies agreed to eat the entire $60 million remaining, teams still wouldn't give them anything more than a 26 year-old AA reliever. Honestly, any deal would be so insultingly bad that the Phillies should probably just keep him and hope he rebounds. Why eat his entire contract for another team and still get nothing back?Because he's occupying a position that could be used to develop a prospect. There was talk of platooning him (they they sorta did it at the end) last season for that reason. His mere presence is actually setting the club back (and realistically you can't keep him on the bench - you'd have to cut him.)He's a low-risk high-reward guy now. While I agree that the Phillies wouldn't get anything for him, I think on the open market, a few AL teams would offer him low-end major-league deals (and just release him if it doesn't work out.) "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonFromMiami Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Allways liked Ryan Howard, seems like a good guy, wish the Philles would keep him and one day retire his number 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Allways liked Ryan Howard, seems like a good guy, wish the Philles would keep him and one day retire his number 6He is a good guy and they may retire his number in the future, but he is dead weight out there on the field. The Phillies gain nothing by keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Allways liked Ryan Howard, seems like a good guy, wish the Philles would keep him and one day retire his number 6He is a good guy and they may retire his number in the future, but he is dead weight out there on the field. The Phillies gain nothing by keeping him.They will not retire his number. They have a written policy about only doing that for HOFers... and he ain't getting in.Also, just read that Jimmy Rollins and Chase Utley started 1,187 games together at SS and 2B respectively, which is the most for a double-play combo in NL history. That's a long-ass time. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 It appears more and more likely that Casey McGehee is being traded to the Giants from the Marlins. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 It appears more and more likely that Casey McGehee is being traded to the Giants from the Marlins.There's that big move the Giants have been looking for! Woo, that'll keep them on pace with the Padres and Dodgers On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmm Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Justin Upton and Martin Prado are traded on the same day...interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonFromMiami Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Allways liked Ryan Howard, seems like a good guy, wish the Philles would keep him and one day retire his number 6He is a good guy and they may retire his number in the future, but he is dead weight out there on the field. The Phillies gain nothing by keeping him. They will not retire his number. They have a written policy about only doing that for HOFers... and he ain't getting in..That is just insane, there could very well be players that deserved it, and for some reason not was elected into the HOF, there could also be off the field contributions that warranted a players number be retired, or a combination of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Yeah but still, Ryan Howard isn't one of those guys. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayMac Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I think Rollins' number and probably Utley's number will eventually be retired. Howard will be on the Phillies wall of fame but #6 will probably not be retired. However, don't forget the power of a World Series championship. That could very well get his number retired because he was a huge part of that run as well as the 5 year playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 They have to retire #6 he was a MVP and Rookie of the Year and the batter I feared most at the plate. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Allways liked Ryan Howard, seems like a good guy, wish the Philles would keep him and one day retire his number 6He is a good guy and they may retire his number in the future, but he is dead weight out there on the field. The Phillies gain nothing by keeping him. They will not retire his number. They have a written policy about only doing that for HOFers... and he ain't getting in..That is just insane, there could very well be players that deserved it, and for some reason not was elected into the HOF, there could also be off the field contributions that warranted a players number be retired, or a combination of both.Why are you so worked up about a team's number retirement policy? Who is to determine what qualifies as "deserving" to have a number retired? I do think a couple more could be, but at least there's a policy, as opposed to teams that retire every number of anyone that had a .300 season. The only issue with it is when a player gets elected to the HOF way after retirement, and other players have worn the number. This is the case with Jim Bunning, who's #14 is now retired, despite being worn by (among others) Pete Rose. Rose was a significant enough part of Phillies history that I would imagine his name will go with it as well if/when he gets in to the hall.Honestly, other than for a recent expansion team that's just looking to honor someone, Ryan Howard is not even close to deserving. He had a nice 5 or 6 years, but let's get real. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonFromMiami Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Just saying that there could be guys that mean alot to the fans and to a city, maybe did something great in the community, and the people that make the HOF decision don´t know about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Ryan Howard doesn't mean alot[sic] to anyone. You don't get your number retired for being a good guy (at least in most places). "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddball Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 As I watch a lot of GMs make a lot of moves, I see a trend of a lot of self-centered cancers in the game. I look at what the Dodgers, Padres, Marlins, Braves, etc. have done and I just see GMs moving cancers from one team to another. Sure they might have stats, but you really have to start questioning all these players attitudes in the locker room. Jimmy Rollins has had run-ins with managers for lack of hustle. We all know Matt Kemp's attitude. Justin Upton's rumors of being bad in the clubhouse now might have more crediblity. Jason Heyward traded? Will Myers traded? I just don't see this activity as baseball on the field related, to me it screams locker room issues. I watch San Diego and I wonder how bad they are going to be. I can't see this team close to .500 with who they've acquired. Sure it looks good on paper, but when you make that many roster moves in one off-season, you might fill one hole, but open up 5 others. And as a Dodger fan, I don't know if they fixed anything, or just filled certain holes to open others up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Ryan Howard doesn't mean alot[sic] to anyone. You don't get your number retired for being a good guy (at least in most places).You can if you work for the team for years and years, like Johnny Pesky with the Red Sox. Pesky is also an example of how all the "club rules" for retired numbers don't amount to a hill of beans: you can always waive them when you want to. You can also get your number retired for being a good guy if you're Harold Baines. The White Sox didn't even wait for him to retire! That being said, I don't see Ryan Howard reaching that level of Philliedom. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Ryan Howard doesn't mean alot[sic] to anyone. You don't get your number retired for being a good guy (at least in most places).You can if you work for the team for years and years, like Johnny Pesky with the Red Sox. Pesky is also an example of how all the "club rules" for retired numbers don't amount to a hill of beans: you can always waive them when you want to. You can also get your number retired for being a good guy if you're Harold Baines. The White Sox didn't even wait for him to retire!That being said, I don't see Ryan Howard reaching that level of Philliedom.Richie Ashburn would be the Phillies Johnny Pesky I guess, since his number was retired in 1979 and he didn't make the HOF until right before he died in the '90s. Of course he was a long time player, face of the franchise, and then broadcaster (and with Harry Kalas one of the voices of the franchise.) Ryan Howard has an MVP and WS ring that Whitey Ashburn didn't have, but Ryan Howard is no Richie Ashburn. I don't think Jimmy Rollins is a HOFer. Basically even though I hear people bring up numbers and comps and make a case that he's there, I think that if you have to make a case, then he doesn't belong there. Anyway, I could see him being an exception, since he played 15 years and is the team's all-time hit leader. Would I do it? No. I kind of think they will though. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC985 Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 It is very rare that a World Series winner does not have a future HOF on the roster, but when I look at the 2008 Phillies, I don't see a slam dunk anywhere. I think Jimmy Rollins has the best chance (right now with Cole Hamels TBD) because he was a shortstop, but if Alan Trammell can't get in there are barriers there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Did that 03 Marlins team have anyone that would qualify either? And for that matter, the 02 Angels, also? On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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