SFGiants58 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, the admiral said: Crippling the cost-controlled side of their operation to appease a handful of pissbabies on Buzzfeed will do so much long-term damage that once you do spook them into changing their name into the Spiders or whatever, nobody will be around to buy the merchandise except for Paul Lukas. It’s hardly “a handful of pissbabies on Buzzfeed.” It’s appreciable enough. 19 minutes ago, the admiral said: There's no place for measures that draconian short of some massive institutional failure like Penn State child rape or using the entire organization to launder money for organized crime. Fair on that front. I wouldn’t have minded seeing the Astros treated like that after what happened. Quote We're only talking about unfashionable aesthetics here, a cause which, let's not forget, the Indians already acceded to by getting rid of the logo everyone hated so much. No, they didn’t. The name had to go to, especially since their brand would have zero direction since Wahoo’s deletion. What can you do with “Indians” that wouldn’t immediately be controversial? Quote Maybe the Indians really are taking their time to get it right for 2023, maybe they're taking a calculated risk that America will burn itself out on constant race warfare by then and get distracted by something else, I don't know. The “calculated risk” is the worst choice. Quote Neither one really causes me much anguish. It's more important to me that Cleveland gets back to being a strong baseball town again, which wouldn't be a direct function of changing their name. I would say that not changing the name is a black mark on the sport and I hope Cleveland loses over 100 games a year until the name changes. Being “a great baseball town” with a name like Indians isn’t a good look for the sport. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said: What can you do with “Indians” that wouldn’t immediately be controversial? Just play it safe as they have been the last couple years. No Native iconography or references to scalping, just the trappings of a baseball team that's been around forever. Ban headdresses and war paint on ticketholders as the Blackhawks do and kick some money to people who need it. But I'm fine with admitting that they've been the Indians for 100 years and people are gonna call 'em that, so as long as they don't do anything tasteless to escalate tensions -- I don't think "Indians" in and of itself is tasteless -- it should be more or less fine, and I strongly disagree that the Cleveland Indians being any good reflects poorly on the entire sport of baseball. If anything, I think it'd look much worse if the Indians were incompetent every single year. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 I just think the identity as it is now is terminally boring, like a tv commercial team. The connection to Wahoo is too powerful to keep the name. No strict code of conduct will change that. It’s still a Native American mascot without tribal approval. It’s odious. It needs to go away. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayJaxon Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 The name doesn't need to change. You want it to change, which is fine. But we all know why this is happening and it's not because the name Indians is offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, JayJaxon said: The name doesn't need to change. You want it to change, which is fine. But we all know why this is happening and it's not because the name Indians is offensive. But it does need to change, regardless of the reason. Just like Washington NFL needed to change. Just like the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, and Chicago Blackhawks should adapt. Like so (I don’t fully approve of these designs, but I like their direction away from Native American mascots): #NotYourMascot MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sky1324 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 A historically marginalized people are not appropriate mascots. They never were, and never will be. You can complain about "CANCEL CULTURE" and "ESS JAY DUBYAS" all you want, but the fact remains that there are Native Americans who are not in support of the name. If one person is uncomfortable with the name, it must be changed. the user formerly known as cdclt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Speaking of teams that had to change their names, UND should also drop the neo-Nazi’s name from their arena. Quote Engelstad was a controversial figure. He raised accusations of being sympathetic to Nazismowing to his collection of Nazi memorabilia stored in a private room, which he referred to as his "war room", within his Imperial Palacehotel-casino. After discovery of the memorabilia, Engelstad agreed to sell it rather than put it on display. In an apology letter to the Jewish Federation of Las Vegas, Engelstad said "I now feel I have done what I can and apologized for what I cannot do". In addition to the memorabilia he stored on display in his "war room", a printing plate was found within his hotel that was used to make bumper stickers that read "Hitler Was Right". MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Let's start with the assumption that Native themed names are okay to good.(Not that I hold that view, of course) Indians have been too poisoned with Wahoo for any of it to stay. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gothamite Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JayJaxon said: The name doesn't need to change. You want it to change, which is fine. But we all know why this is happening and it's not because the name Indians is offensive. Except that Native American organizations disagree with you. https://www.ncai.org/proudtobe The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, JayJaxon said: The name doesn't need to change. You want it to change, which is fine. But we all know why this is happening and it's not because the name Indians is offensive. How appropriate this is about a baseball team because... swing and a miss! PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: I just think the identity as it is now is terminally boring, like a tv commercial team. The connection to Wahoo is too powerful to keep the name. No strict code of conduct will change that. It’s still a Native American mascot without tribal approval. It’s odious. It needs to go away. You've made your point on this matter numerous times. We get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 The Clevelands won't be doing anything until at least 2022. We're done here for now. We can start fighting about it again when there is a new development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicageaux Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 The Cleveland Indians are now the Cleveland Guardians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolingian Steamroller Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Can the Guardians wear these the rest of the season? I like what I’m seeing. Obviously not what I would’ve done (my Spiders concept is elsewhere on the boards) but overall pretty nice. I do hope they use the standard block numbers. Not that the fancy numbers look bad just that they’ve never really been associated with a custom font. But honesty that’s a nitpick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbush24 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 The logos feel...rushed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordsketor Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 It's now the Cleveland Guardians now... Many thanks to Discrimihater for making the sig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Guardians was one of the better team name ideas in my opinion. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Just now, bbush24 said: The logos feel...rushed Garbage. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZapRowsdower8 Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Well, it’s no Spiders, but it’s fine. I like the C cap logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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