NFL 2023 Changes

[tBBP]

11 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

That’s exactly what’s so great about these. The first ever bar fight I ever saw was between a Raiders fan and a Seahawks fan and my first reaction was, wait, there’s a team called the Seahawks? They were so irrelevant for so long that it was almost cute to Niners fans to have them in their division. Then the Seahawks got a new stadium and got more competitive and Niners fans didn’t like that so

much all of the sudden. Then Nike and Pete Carroll and LoB happened and they REALLY didn’t like that. I’ve gone from not knowing who they were to liking them a bit to REALLY hating them to having a bit of an earned respect for them now. Not too many teams in the league have had that much of a well rounded story arc in my head narrative. 

 

You know what, now that you spell it all out that way, setting aside the Niners stuff, Seattle has somewhat of a similar story to Tampa in how they pretty much revitalized their entire culture just after the 2012 rebrand. It wasn't a wholesale color change, but it was/is different enough to clearly separate eras. (We'll go ahead and show a tad bit of respect to the 2.0 era only because they did start to turn a corner then and *ahem* they did make a Superb Owl in the Puget Slate uniforms—though we don't talk about the most obvious case of refballing that ever refballed around here). All that said, I'm actually glad they chose the older number font rather than the one they wore later on in the 90s (which is what I first thought they'd do), and yes, the vibrant royal blue and Kelly green definitely appear far more attractive. Having said that, ol' boy's mockup, with maybe a lighter navy or a dark royal, along with the brighter green, would be the perfect way to split the difference if/when they eventually go the "report the past, embrace the future" route whenever they do rebrand next.

 

5 hours ago, Chawls said:

How would we feel if Washington changed their colors to blue, black, and bronze á la the Capitals and Wizards old colors?

 

 

I personally wouldn't mind it at all—but I'm also not a Washington fan so I get no say in the matter. I also don't know that the NFC East needs another blue team, so there's that at least.

[The_Admiral]

3 hours ago, FinsUp1214 said:

With regards to the “why the 90’s?” discussion, the official launch site for the throwback explains this.

 

https://throwback.seahawks.com/home

 

So if I’m understanding right it’s less about the teams who wore the uniform and more about Seattle’s influence on the decade itself. 

 

Seattle definitely had a cultural moment in the 1990s, but the Seahawks were no part of it.

[SFGiants58]

2 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

Seattle definitely had a cultural moment in the 1990s, but the Seahawks were no part of it.

 

The Seahawks were completely absent in the ‘90s Seattle sports zeitgeist. Nobody on a national level remembers Cortez Kennedy the way they do for Ken Griffey Jr. or Gary Payton (but they should).
 

Also, the Seahawks almost went to LA in the ‘90s, IIRC.

[monkeypower]

Per my dad, the Seahawks had a pretty big reach here in Calgary (and I guess probably a swath of Western Canada) back in the day pre-cable because every weekend Calgary would get the Seahawks game coming out of Spokane and then the national broadcasts.

 

There are a decent amount of middle aged to older people who are Seahawks fans here because of that. However, my dad is not one of them because they were always on TV and they were bad most of the time.

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

The Seahawks were completely absent in the ‘90s Seattle sports zeitgeist. Nobody on a national level remembers Cortez Kennedy the way they do for Ken Griffey Jr. or Gary Payton (but they should).
 

Also, the Seahawks almost went to LA in the ‘90s, IIRC.

Nationally? Yes, absolutely. But living in Niners/Raiders territory I remember Seahawks fans I met being pretty intense. They reminded me of the football version of the Sacramento Kings. Team was trash, they didn’t have many fans, but the few they did were rabid. I think it’s why they were so obnoxious during the LoB era. It was decades of pent up frustration from long time fans finally coming out, and all of the bandwagoners just followed that emotional lead. A lot of times when a team gets good fans are just like “this is awesome!” Seahawks fans, otoh, came out with the mentality that it was FINALLY time that they get some respect. Knowing how ignored that team was (bad enough to be one of the worst, but not bad enough to get attention from it like their expansion partners, the Bucs)? I kinda get it

[chakfu]

8 hours ago, Chawls said:

How would we feel if Washington changed their colors to blue, black, and bronze á la the Capitals and Wizards old colors?

 

 

I'm typically a big fan of fauxbacks...but I kinda think Wizards should have stuck with that identity. 

 

That said, I think they should stick with Commanders, colors and logos are fine, just need to make the unis more cohesive eventually.

[Chromatic]

7 hours ago, JQK said:

 

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[The_Admiral]

2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

Also, the Seahawks almost went to LA in the ‘90s, IIRC.

 

I think they had the trucks packed for--or even pulled up to--the disused grade school in Anaheim that the Rams practiced out of. Was either after '95 or '96.  That the L.A. Rams were based out of a vacant school is a fact that in and of itself recalls a bygone NFL.

 

Either way, yeah, to the extent that Seattle sports were on the national landscape alongside music and tech, it was Griffey and the Sonics. The Seahawks never registered. 

[Sec19Row53]

54 minutes ago, Chromatic said:

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[FinsUp1214]

1 hour ago, the admiral said:

Either way, yeah, to the extent that Seattle sports were on the national landscape alongside music and tech, it was Griffey and the Sonics. The Seahawks never registered. 

You’re not wrong at all on that. I can kind of see both sides of this coin though - on one side it’s absolutely true the Seahawks weren’t nearly as relevant then as the rest of what Seattle offered to 90’s pop culture, and that to some it can seem silly for the Seahawks of all teams to pay homage to it. On the other side though, I can see why the Seahawks would want to step up and honor the era; the Sonics are gone, the Mariners still look (almost) the same as they did back then, and the Kraken and Storm didn’t exist yet. The throwback is a (IMO) beautiful uniform in and of itself, and I don’t see a big problem with them paying homage to Seattle’s 90’s influence with it in a way that none of the other Seattle pro teams really can at the moment*. 
 

It’s also worth noting that, if the Seahawks really want to pay tribute to 1990’s Seattle, this is probably a much better way to do it than a flannel grunge “city” edition or some sort of weird Frasier homage alternate that says “Tossed Salad and Scrambled Eggs” on the neck tape. I’ll choose the throwback over the many different alternatives the league is starting to creep into every time.
 

 

 

 

*I say at the moment in the hopes the Sonics come back someday and bust out a ‘96 throwback as soon as they can.

[The_Admiral]

I guess the question, then, isn't how the Seahawks should honor the Seattle of the 1990s but whether they should at all. Not only is it something they didn't really factor into, finishing 7-9 every year and trying to move, but the Seahawks, whether they like it or not, are more emblematic of the new Seattle than the old one: they're not the team of the sleepy logging/aerospace town, they're the team of Amazon, Starbucks, and the PMCs who gathered from all around America to staff them. As a cultural institution, I think they belong to the present more than arguably any other NFL team. A throwback clangs.

[oldschoolvikings]

50 minutes ago, the admiral said:

I guess the question, then, isn't how the Seahawks should honor the Seattle of the 1990s but whether they should at all. Not only is it something they didn't really factor into, finishing 7-9 every year and trying to move, but the Seahawks, whether they like it or not, are more emblematic of the new Seattle than the old one: they're not the team of the sleepy logging/aerospace town, they're the team of Amazon, Starbucks, and the PMCs who gathered from all around America to staff them. As a cultural institution, I think they belong to the present more than arguably any other NFL team. A throwback clangs.

Except for the fact that they look really nice, making all the rest of that stuff just fuzzy headed noise that isn’t really worth thinking about.  

[The_Admiral]

No, that's just it! On top of it all, they look bad! They look like the Lions from a distance, but cheaper and sadder. It was a bad uniform for a bad team. Okay, the logo looked slightly more like a totem pole than it does now. Still bad.

[Silver_Star]

7 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

The Seahawks were completely absent in the ‘90s Seattle sports zeitgeist. Nobody on a national level remembers Cortez Kennedy the way they do for Ken Griffey Jr. or Gary Payton (but they should).
 

Also, the Seahawks almost went to LA in the ‘90s, IIRC.

All of that you just said, plus what I darkened of your post is so true!

[Sec19Row53]

41 minutes ago, the admiral said:

No, that's just it! On top of it all, they look bad! They look like the Lions from a distance, but cheaper and sadder. It was a bad uniform for a bad team. Okay, the logo looked slightly more like a totem pole than it does now. Still bad.

Nah, this doesn't look like the Lions. Two different shades of blue. One has green and the other doesn't. 

[FiddySicks]

2 hours ago, the admiral said:

I guess the question, then, isn't how the Seahawks should honor the Seattle of the 1990s but whether they should at all. Not only is it something they didn't really factor into, finishing 7-9 every year and trying to move, but the Seahawks, whether they like it or not, are more emblematic of the new Seattle than the old one: they're not the team of the sleepy logging/aerospace town, they're the team of Amazon, Starbucks, and the PMCs who gathered from all around America to staff them. As a cultural institution, I think they belong to the present more than arguably any other NFL team. A throwback clangs.

They’re the Free Willy team and that’s good enough for me. 

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1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

They’re the Free Willy team and that’s good enough for me. 

I prefer Air Bud: Golden Receiver. Let's all go raid Joey Galloway's garbage can(s) out on the sidewalk in front of his home during Seattle's local neighborhood trash pickup day(s) in scavenging hopes to discover discarded food, such as orange peels — which will inevitably give us magical athletic powers transferred via his DNA, of course!

[oldschoolvikings]

2 hours ago, the admiral said:

No, that's just it! On top of it all, they look bad! They look like the Lions from a distance, but cheaper and sadder. It was a bad uniform for a bad team. Okay, the logo looked slightly more like a totem pole than it does now. Still bad.

Well, yes, opinions vary.   However this one seems to be fairly unpopular.  

[Chromatic]

6 hours ago, Sec19Row53 said:

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[simtek34]

Sneak peek for tomorrow 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by simtek34
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