BBTV Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Unocal said: Burn this playoff format to a crisp They can’t run it back next year Please take a break from posting your complaints every single GD time you click "submit reply". You complain and are negative about everything without offering anything that could possibly lead to a discussion about whatever you're upset about this time. 58 minutes ago, Sport said: You get two home games and the pitching advantage in games 1 and 2 and you don't risk elimination in a best of 3. Every team would take the bye every time. It hasn't been a problem for the Astros the last two years. There isn't an Orioles or Braves fan alive who would've switched places with the Rangers and Phillies ten days ago. The playoff format has nothing to do with these upsets. The Orioles pitching, the Achilles heel their fans worried about all year, gave up 21 runs to the Rangers in three games. They scored 11 runs so it's not like the layoff caused them to forget how to hit. The Braves ran into a Phillies team that is intimately familiar with them and probably the second best on paper team in the National League. It's sports and it's baseball especially where playoff upsets have happened forever. This is true. There's no difference between teams that sweep and then have to wait 3 or 4 days before the LCSs start, and then the layoff is even more if you sweep the LCS. It's a weak excuse, and like you said, I'd take the bye 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. You have to build your team to win series', not a season. The Braves pulling away was the best thing that could happen to the Phillies (who were 7 games under .500 for a while because of how lousy Turner was till August). It allowed them to experiment with some rookies and batting orders, test bullpen guys in different roles, and invest more in said bullpen, so that when playoffs came around, they could manage games completely differently than they did in the regular season. Dave Dombrowski said as much - we're building to win 5-7 game series', and Topper has said that he basically has a playoff strategy that's different than the regular season (and people who have watched the team know what I'm talking about.) They may not win the WS, but to imply that a team that's made it to back-to-back NLCS' and is the favorite to make it to back-to-back WSs (not that anyone's overlooking AZ by any means) is a fluke result of a flawed playoff system is idiotic. As CCSLC's CTE expert, I'd say that's the opinion of someone that's probably in advanced stages. EDIT: and honestly, was Phillies over Braves really an upset? The Braves themselves were whining about reseeding because they didn't want the Phillies, and multiple players (including Strider) have said that the crowd atmosphere is so hard to play in that he legit thinks they should either go back to 2020 where there's no fans (and he wasn't joking) or at least ban lower-bowl fans. 5 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolvikings Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Unocal said: Burn this playoff format to a crisp They can’t run it back next year Or… hear me out… the higher seed can play better and win their games. You know, maybe use their rested pitching staff and home field advantage. Just a thought. 8 1 Quote http://dstewartpaint.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Sport said: The playoff format has nothing to do with these upsets. The Orioles pitching, the Achilles heel their fans worried about all year, gave up 21 runs to the Rangers in three games. They scored 11 runs so it's not like the layoff caused them to forget how to hit. The Braves ran into a Phillies team that is intimately familiar with them and probably the second best on paper team in the National League. Additionally: the Brewers were an NL Central team and the NL Central isn’t exactly an amazing division (correct me if I’m wrong). Also, the Dodgers haven’t been able to score runs/hit in the playoffs ever since 2021. It’s not the format’s fault, it’s the teams’ fault. The 2013-present Dodgers really are the ‘91-‘05 Braves reborn. Over a decade of making the playoffs and only one title (in a shortened season) to show for it. Quote MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said: Or… hear me out… the higher seed can play better and win their games. You know, maybe use their rested pitching staff and home field advantage. Just a thought. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said: Additionally: the Brewers were an NL Central team and the NL Central isn’t exactly an amazing division (correct me if I’m wrong). Also, the Dodgers haven’t been able to score runs/hit in the playoffs ever since 2021. It’s not the format’s fault, it’s the teams’ fault. The 2013-present Dodgers really are the ‘91-‘05 Braves reborn. Over a decade of making the playoffs and only one title (in a shortened season) to show for it. The NL Central was the second weakest division in the league and the Brewers lineup doesn't strike fear into anyone. They have good pitchers, but a couple hiccups in two wildcard games was all it took to wipe them out, which is why nobody would ever prefer to start in the wildcard series. It's not shocking at all that they lost two straight to Arizona. I think the Dodgers just Dodgered their way to 100 wins through sheer Dodgeriness, but if Betts and Freeman go cold you have Max Muncy and then basically no protection down the lineup, which is what happened. And Kershaw not pitching well in the playoffs is the norm. If it had been a tough 5 game struggle then maybe I'd listen to some arguments, but if you get swept by the Diamondbacks I can't feel bad for you. It is not shocking to me that the Dodgers lost a playoff series - like you said, they've been doing that for over a decade excluding the COVID NIT. Looking at these losses closer*, Texas' run differential was significantly higher than Baltimore's and the same as Tampa's. It's safe to say those weren't upsets. Philadelphia has been on a 100 win pace over the second half and they know Atlanta inside and out so that's not shocking either. I think our friend griping about this is just griping because he loves to gripe about everything (He's complained about the NBA playoffs being too chalk in the past). You will never satisfy that particular individual and I think he needs to find other hobbies. *The funniest thing in digging deeper here is San Diego had the 8th highest run differential and a pythagorean W/L of 92-70 LOL They won 14 out of their last 16 to get to 82-80. A 10 win split between Pythagorean W/L and actual W/L is the highest I think I've ever seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I think the performance of teams with byes is something to watch. It worked out in Astros Twins (the only series I followed closely) as Houston's rotation was set and the Twins had to pick up in the middle. My gut response to byes was "no." Having a bye following a three-game series with no off day, however, seems like a reasonable enough compromise. That said, if the best teams continue to "not play well enough" to beat the lesser teams, then maybe there's something to the idea of a bye being a disadvantage. The only team with a bye that is going to the LCS defeated the worst team in the playoffs that historically serves as a bye-in-uniform. I think it's reasonable to question the format. 2 Quote Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, Sport said: *The funniest thing in digging deeper here is San Diego had the 8th highest run differential and a pythagorean W/L of 92-70 LOL They won 14 out of their last 16 to get to 82-80. A 10 win split between Pythagorean W/L and actual W/L is the highest I think I've ever seen. Hot take: seeding should be done by run differential, not wins. Run differential is a better indicator of what teams are better than others. It’s also why I maintain that the 1987 Twins were the worst team to win a WS. 1 Quote MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said: Hot take: seeding should be done by run differential, not wins. Run differential is a better indicator of what teams are better than others. It’s also why I maintain that the 1987 Twins were the worst team to win a WS. As a Twins fan, I say "How dare you...speak the truth." I will say one thing for your run differential idea...you'd probably see fewer position players pitching, which is a good thing. That said, I think the optics of making the playoffs on W/L and then seeding on run differential would be strange optics. It's almost an admission that Team A made won the division despite being worse by an official measure than Team B, which had a better run differential but one fewer win. I'd also add that run differential can be impacted by that one 17-1 game where things just got out of hand. (i.e., the existence of blowouts can inflate run differential to the point that I'm not even sure I agree with your notion). Quote Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolvikings Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I think the whole conversation is dumb. If you just want the team with the best record to be named champs, just cancel the playoffs and crown the regular season leader and be done with it. The entire point of a playoff is to settle it head to head. And if a team loses, then obvious they didn’t do what they needed to do. Stop crying and play better next time. 5 Quote http://dstewartpaint.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 As someone who is a fan of first time champions, I want to see the Texas Rangers win it all, but sadly, I don't think we're going to get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 I want a Diamondbacks Rangers World Series so badly. That pretty much guarantees we’re getting Phillies Astros part II. 1 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 Rangers-Phillies would be fun, unless you are Gabe Kapler. Quote MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, SFGiants58 said: Hot take: seeding should be done by run differential, not wins. Run differential is a better indicator of what teams are better than others. It’s also why I maintain that the 1987 Twins were the worst team to win a WS. I've heard this stated, but it doesn't make logical sense to me. If you win17-2, it's just one win, which may have come with who knows who pitching for who knows why (dead arm due to get DFAd; a position player). Is there something objective that demonstrates that to be the case? I've tried looking, but haven't found it. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, FiddySicks said: I want a Diamondbacks Rangers World Series so badly. That pretty much guarantees we’re getting Phillies Astros part II. My heart says Diamondbacks/Texas, my head says Phillies/Astros. Both teams were there last year and both playing lights out. But then again so are the DBacks. I'm basically a Phoenician(living here 37 out of 42 years) so I know who I'm rooting for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said: Rangers-Phillies would be fun, unless you are Gabe Kapler. I swear, when I first read your post I thought you were talking about this guy: HALLOWEEN TIME BONUS! He once had a Halloween costume done of him in the 1970s for "Welcome Back, Kotter" 2 3 Quote It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ferdinand Cesarano Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said: If you just want the team with the best record to be named champs, just cancel the playoffs and crown the regular season leader and be done with it. This is why the best playoff format was the 1969-1993 format, in which playoffs were for division winners only. That format was the best of both worlds. It provided head-to-head playoff match-ups; yet it still preserved the historic pre-playoffs principle of only champions having the right to advance, giving maximum value and meaning to the regular season. In addition, it is conceptually consistent, in that the regular season is the first round of the overall championship competition, and the winners of that round are the divisional champs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share Posted October 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, B-Rich said: I swear, when I first read your post I thought you were talking about this guy: HALLOWEEN TIME BONUS! He once had a Halloween costume done of him in the 1970s for "Welcome Back, Kotter" That looks disturbing, yet reminds me of Hall and Oates had a Halloween costume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unocal Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, GDAWG said: As someone who is a fan of first time champions, I want to see the Texas Rangers win it all, but sadly, I don't think we're going to get that. The rematch now feels inevitable. Almost Cavs/Warriors level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unocal Posted October 13, 2023 Share Posted October 13, 2023 When Philly beat STL last year, they definitely must have swiped their devil magic and taken that mantle from the Cards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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