2013 MLB Logo and Uniform Changes

[The_Admiral]

Ideally, maybe you can keep the regular navy cap as a Sunday alt, make Sunday's alt the BP cap, keep wearing red otherwise, and be done with it.

This is the best compromise. If Cardinal Tradition is so holy that they have to keep the navy hat despite having made the color red their identity, why do they waste their Sunday home games with what amounts to an ugly BP hat? or have they been doing that long enough that it, too, is untouchable Cardinal Tradition?

[Jungle Jim]

1. The Cardinals look much better with red caps both home and road.

2. The Astros orange cap is the best one they've ever worn and they should wear it every day.

3. There's way too much damned navy in Major League Baseball. (See #1 and #2.)

4. My opinions are the only correct ones.

5. That is all.

6.

[BigEd76]

it's also "returning to a classic era" which had the Cardinals wearing powder blue pull overs with elastic waste bands.

Some of us remember 85-91 more than the earlier half

[FiddySicks]

it's also "returning to a classic era" which had the Cardinals wearing powder blue pull overs with elastic waste bands.

Some of us remember 85-91 more than the earlier half

Ok, point taken, but even with the grey it's still a product of an awful era of uniforms, and if that came out today people would have an absolute cow about it.

[TheOldRoman]

Apparently, the White Sox have made a uniform change without anyone knowing. Last night they wore their crappy black alternate jerseys for the first road game. They were unchanged, but the gray pants were changed. Instead of the black and white striped pants they have worn for the entirety of this identity (22 seasons), they wore pants with black piping. No idea yet if they have changed the road jersey, as it has sleeve cuffs matching the pants stripes. Even if they have, the black jersey now has random striping which no longer goes with either set of pants it's worn with.

And here is the old verion:

Even without seeing the gray unis, which I'd imagine have to have changed, this is just a giant downgrade, and done for no apparent reason. This is two years after the team decided to take the diamond sock patch of the roads and replace it with the Sox logo, because they were worried people would see "Chicago" in black and white script near a patch of a white stocking, and come to the conclusion that it was the Cubs. Also, even though they made that change, they STILL haven't fixed the lettering on the back of the black jerseys, which just look like clumps because the gray doesn't follow the form of the letters. The front office has had its fair share of blunders (and a few successes), but the marketing department has just been a colossal bumble for the last 30 years. Just completely tone-deaf and sometimes outwardly hostile to fans. At least their clownishness hadn't spread to the uniforms until recently. Ugh.

[Pizzaman7294]

WHY....WHY.....

[Sport]

Either the pants don't match the gray jersey or they also changed the gray jersey. Either way, bad move.

[TheOldRoman]

Considering we haven't heard anything about it before and the road jerseys weren't put on clearance, I imagine they'e just keeping the jersey the same and going with the mismatch cluster look, like the Giants' new road sets.

[hawk36]

Like, but would be much better if the teal on the bill (blue teal) matched the teal on the logo (green teal). Must be a textile issue.

[TheOldRoman]

^ I'm pretty certain New Era has that same issue. Also, needs a teal button.

[The_Admiral]

Obvious downgrade for the Sox. The thick black/white stripe was unique; who doesn't have a thin dark single stripe on their pants, really.

[TheOldRoman]

Obvious downgrade for the Sox. The thick black/white stripe was unique; who doesn't have a thin dark single stripe on their pants, really.

If this even accompanies the road jersey being changed to include neck piping, I will snap. Not everyone needs the same damn template.

[Bouj]

Either the pants don't match the gray jersey or they also changed the gray jersey. Either way, bad move.

Or they have two set of road pants. It's possible. It's not likely, but it's possible. Some teams have two sets of home pants, but off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone with two sets of road pants. There can't be too many equipment managers itching for that kind of hassle.

[yh]

Weighing in on the Cardinals' red cap situation, I too am disappointed to see the navy StL cap go. The Cards can always walk this one back by saying they wanted to commemorate the red cap's 50th season by wearing it at home and away - weak, to be sure, but a narrow peg on which to . . . . er, hang their hat.

If, however, the red cap is going to be a home/away fixture going forward, the Cardinals still need to have two - the current model for home games and one with a grey crest on the road. As the current road uniforms have absolutely no white in them whatsoever, the white StL is rather distracting to me. I think a grey or silver crest would tighten up that road uniform quite well. That being said, I'd rather they simply brought back the navy cap (replacing the white border with grey or silver, or eliminating a border altogether).

[guest23]

FWIW I like the return to red too. Reminds me of the 80s Cardinals I grew up watching

You know, I've heard that a lot, and a lot of people (I'm not saying you are, I'm just using your post as a launching pad for my own) argue that the switch back to red is a good one because its a return to the classic look they once had. But not only is it already well documented that they have a longer history in navy caps (and they even switched the year they're honoring Stan Musial, who never even wore the red cap!), it's also "returning to a classic era" which had the Cardinals wearing powder blue pull overs with elastic waste bands. There's only one crazy that I know of here that ever thought that was a good choice, and he's constantly derided for it. You can't point to one part of "history" while completely ignoring another like that.

Ugh, this change is one of the biggest uniform blunders I've ever seen. It's such a small change, yet it completely changes the dynamics of the entire aesthetic package. Hopefully the Cardinals wise up soon and just go back to what worked so well for them the last twenty or so seasons, and when the topic of wearing red caps on the road in 2013 is brought up years down he road it's a topic the Cardinals would rather forget even happened.

keep in mind that the majority of fans who watched the navy capped cardinals are now deceased.

[i submit the following comments, knowing McCall pretty much made this point a few posts back]

Gee, I knew the head cold I've been suffering from all week was bad, but was unaware I was deceased until reading this post.

They wore navy caps on the road last year (and for that matter, every year since '92). I have a nephew who is 12 who keeps asking me why they changed. It's not just those who remember them from pre-color tv days who miss the navy road caps.

As an aside, I'm still wondering how Cardinals fans will react to the new home alt once it is worn this coming weekend. My nephew has also been asking why the Cards have a white road jersey, for what it's worth.

Alright I will clarify my first statement...I was referring to the pre 1964 era before the cardinals ever wore a red cap. Meaning if you still remember watching the cardinals in 1964 or earlier you are likely over 50 years old, which would indicate that the majority of fans that were able to watch and remember the pre '64 cardinals are in fact old-timers before your time which there are very few left...most of the baseball fans that were able to follow the cards from the 40s-60s have now come and gone which means the bulk of nostalgic fans is most likely between 30-50 now refer to the 70's and 80's as the "old days".

it's simply a generational and perspective issue.

[McCall]

FWIW I like the return to red too. Reminds me of the 80s Cardinals I grew up watching

You know, I've heard that a lot, and a lot of people (I'm not saying you are, I'm just using your post as a launching pad for my own) argue that the switch back to red is a good one because its a return to the classic look they once had. But not only is it already well documented that they have a longer history in navy caps (and they even switched the year they're honoring Stan Musial, who never even wore the red cap!), it's also "returning to a classic era" which had the Cardinals wearing powder blue pull overs with elastic waste bands. There's only one crazy that I know of here that ever thought that was a good choice, and he's constantly derided for it. You can't point to one part of "history" while completely ignoring another like that.

Ugh, this change is one of the biggest uniform blunders I've ever seen. It's such a small change, yet it completely changes the dynamics of the entire aesthetic package. Hopefully the Cardinals wise up soon and just go back to what worked so well for them the last twenty or so seasons, and when the topic of wearing red caps on the road in 2013 is brought up years down he road it's a topic the Cardinals would rather forget even happened.

keep in mind that the majority of fans who watched the navy capped cardinals are now deceased.

[i submit the following comments, knowing McCall pretty much made this point a few posts back]

Gee, I knew the head cold I've been suffering from all week was bad, but was unaware I was deceased until reading this post.

They wore navy caps on the road last year (and for that matter, every year since '92). I have a nephew who is 12 who keeps asking me why they changed. It's not just those who remember them from pre-color tv days who miss the navy road caps.

As an aside, I'm still wondering how Cardinals fans will react to the new home alt once it is worn this coming weekend. My nephew has also been asking why the Cards have a white road jersey, for what it's worth.

Alright I will clarify my first statement...I was referring to the pre 1964 era before the cardinals ever wore a red cap. Meaning if you still remember watching the cardinals in 1964 or earlier you are likely over 50 years old, which would indicate that the majority of fans that were able to watch and remember the pre '64 cardinals are in fact old-timers before your time which there are very few left...most of the baseball fans that were able to follow the cards from the 40s-60s have now come and gone which means the bulk of nostalgic fans is most likely between 30-50 now refer to the 70's and 80's as the "old days".

it's simply a generational and perspective issue.

Yet your still wrong because you're assuming none of the "post-'64" era fans have any clue about the navy cap. Which is incorrect because we are all aware of the history of it, and, oh yeah, they've been wearing it as the road cap for the last 21 seasons.

[The_Admiral]

If, however, the red cap is going to be a home/away fixture going forward, the Cardinals still need to have two - the current model for home games and one with a grey crest on the road. As the current road uniforms have absolutely no white in them whatsoever, the white StL is rather distracting to me. I think a grey or silver crest would tighten up that road uniform quite well. That being said, I'd rather they simply brought back the navy cap (replacing the white border with grey or silver, or eliminating a border altogether).

The birds' eyes have white, don't they? Not much, but you said whatsoever. Boom, loogoduded

I don't think it's a big deal. The Dodgers don't have white in their road uniforms anymore, and their cap looks fine. Same with the Red Sox, same with the Orioles (unless there's some on the sleeve patch). I do think a single-layer red STL on navy would be the way to do a navy cap if you must, but I hate it when teams wear hats that are different colors.

[jws008]

One correction on my earlier post I just noticed on re-reading it - technically, the new home alt for the Cardinals isn't white; it's another one of those cream alts. Not that my nephew noticed when he saw one (guess I have to work on his uniform and logo education still).

[jws008]

One more Cardinals' related item, and I apologize if this is off-topic:

Friday is Stan Musial Night, the Cards and Brewers will be using this commemorative baseball during the game:

[guest23]

FWIW I like the return to red too. Reminds me of the 80s Cardinals I grew up watching

You know, I've heard that a lot, and a lot of people (I'm not saying you are, I'm just using your post as a launching pad for my own) argue that the switch back to red is a good one because its a return to the classic look they once had. But not only is it already well documented that they have a longer history in navy caps (and they even switched the year they're honoring Stan Musial, who never even wore the red cap!), it's also "returning to a classic era" which had the Cardinals wearing powder blue pull overs with elastic waste bands. There's only one crazy that I know of here that ever thought that was a good choice, and he's constantly derided for it. You can't point to one part of "history" while completely ignoring another like that.

Ugh, this change is one of the biggest uniform blunders I've ever seen. It's such a small change, yet it completely changes the dynamics of the entire aesthetic package. Hopefully the Cardinals wise up soon and just go back to what worked so well for them the last twenty or so seasons, and when the topic of wearing red caps on the road in 2013 is brought up years down he road it's a topic the Cardinals would rather forget even happened.

keep in mind that the majority of fans who watched the navy capped cardinals are now deceased.

[i submit the following comments, knowing McCall pretty much made this point a few posts back]

Gee, I knew the head cold I've been suffering from all week was bad, but was unaware I was deceased until reading this post.

They wore navy caps on the road last year (and for that matter, every year since '92). I have a nephew who is 12 who keeps asking me why they changed. It's not just those who remember them from pre-color tv days who miss the navy road caps.

As an aside, I'm still wondering how Cardinals fans will react to the new home alt once it is worn this coming weekend. My nephew has also been asking why the Cards have a white road jersey, for what it's worth.

Alright I will clarify my first statement...I was referring to the pre 1964 era before the cardinals ever wore a red cap. Meaning if you still remember watching the cardinals in 1964 or earlier you are likely over 50 years old, which would indicate that the majority of fans that were able to watch and remember the pre '64 cardinals are in fact old-timers before your time which there are very few left...most of the baseball fans that were able to follow the cards from the 40s-60s have now come and gone which means the bulk of nostalgic fans is most likely between 30-50 now refer to the 70's and 80's as the "old days".

it's simply a generational and perspective issue.

Yet your still wrong because you're assuming none of the "post-'64" era fans have any clue about the navy cap. Which is incorrect because we are all aware of the history of it, and, oh yeah, they've been wearing it as the road cap for the last 21 seasons.

no I was referring to a navy home/road pre 64 cardinals...the 92 reintroduction while lasting 21 years is part of their modern history. and yes I'm assuming that very few younger or median aged fans remember anything before color tv.

I understand you disagree but my argument is not that hard to understand nor am I professing the absolute truth...the people in this country that remember anything prior to color tv (aka baby boomers) are quickly becoming a minority demographic in this country.