Sport Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Not trying to defend Tampa because they've had chances but Historically one of the worst attended games of the season is the second home game after opening day. That's true for most teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 But 11,000 people.....man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomDreamer Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Not trying to defend Tampa because they've had chances but Historically one of the worst attended games of the season is the second home game after opening day. That's true for most teams.You're right, and the Rays reportedly get decent tv numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 I think you mean the Yankees and Red Sox get decent tv numbers in Tampa. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Nice try at humor, but they have one of the best TV ratings in the MLB. Just goes to show you stadium location does play a major fault with the Rays, not the lack of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Nice try at humor, but they have one of the best TV ratings in the MLB. Just goes to show you stadium location does play a major fault with the Rays, not the lack of interest.Not necessarily. Even if fans care enough to watch winning baseball on free TV, it doesn't mean that they care enough to pay decent money to attend games in a hypothetical good stadium in a good location. As I said before, if I were the owner, I would not gamble that the Trop was the only thing holding fans back. They'd get a huge attendance bump the first year, and attendance would indefinitely be higher in a nice park centrally located. However, if they get a new park built and a playoff team is drawing 25,000 a game five years later, they've :censored:ed their investment permanently and locked themselves into that region well past the run of their ownership regime. I would not bet tens of millions of dollars on the hopes that Tampa Bay will start coming out in ideal conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 And as someone who has worked in television, I can also tell you that I'm very skeptical of television ratings numbers.But even if they're true, they could very well be inflated by the large numbers of Yankees and Red Sox fans in the area. Can you demonstrate that the ratings are so high when the Rays play the Mariners or Astros? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Nice try at humor, but they have one of the best TV ratings in the MLB. Just goes to show you stadium location does play a major fault with the Rays, not the lack of interest.Can you prove your point about tv ratings? "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Nice try at humor, but they have one of the best TV ratings in the MLB. Just goes to show you stadium location does play a major fault with the Rays, not the lack of interest. Can you prove your point about tv ratings? Our opening day got a a 5.7 household rating, which is impressive for a small market team. Of course, teams like Detroit got a much higher household rating, the population of St. Petersburg compared to Detroit is huge. I did a High School internship with the Rays and that was one of the major points that was stressed during the internship. How do we push the great TV ratings we get into fans in the actual seats. I was in the Journalism/Advertising department. I'd say that's pretty legitimate, but then again, you question everything I post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Because most of what you post is questionable. Where does tampa actually rank in tv ratings? Top 3? Top 5? If you want to say that the tv ratings compensate for the lack of attendance and validate the market, then it should be easy to show that is the case. Market size is relevant only to a point. A team in Idaho could have a rating that is good "for a team in Idaho", but that doesn't mean that they should have a major league team. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 You are the one who suggested that the Rays' television ratings meant that Tampa Bay is secretly not a failed market. If you really want to make that assertion, you need to be able to back it up with very specific facts. Where exactly are the Rays' ratings? How does that compare with other markets? And how does it look once you've adjusted for the disproportionate number of games against the Yankees and Red Sox, two teams which are traditionally amongst the most-watched in the sport? The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Also, it's just not true that "the population of St. Petersburg compared to Detroit is huge." Detroit is the 14th biggest Metropolitan Statistical Area, Tampa-St. Petersburg is 18th. Detroit is the 11th biggest TV market; Tampa-St. Petersburg is the 13th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I just gave you all the information I could find as well as a situation that leads me to believe they have high tv ratings. If you find that they do not rank in the top 10, feel free to let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way. We don't need to debunk your unsourced assertions. You need to support them. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Then why go to all the trouble to question my information? I am not making then up. I can promise you that. Unfortunately, I can't find any listing of MLB TV ratings online. Which is surprising, you would think that would be a statistic open to the internet public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Why shouldn't your information be questioned? I couldn't find anything to support it, so I asked you to back up the assertions. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soarindude Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Calm down buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC in Da House w/o a Doubt Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 But 11,000 people.....man....The White Sox were hurtin for fans yesterday. I doubt they reached 4 digits. Granted, its pretty darn cold in Chicago at the moment. I'd probably rather just watch it on tv also. http://deadspin.com/white-sox-games-are-eerily-empty-1557725119 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 Calm down buddy.He is. He's not being unreasonable.You're in high school, yes? Well I teach high school. If someone hands in a paper that makes a claim then I expect it to be sourced. For the student making the claim to tell me where they found this information that collaborates their claim. Same thing here. You made a claim. You need to back it up. What's your source for the Rays having strong local tv ratings? Provide that and you'll find people willing to take your arguments seriously. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC in Da House w/o a Doubt Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/fans-are-watching-tampa-bay-rays-on-tv-8212-a-popularity-that-could-pay/2135859http://tbo.com/sports/rays/sternberg-likes-direction-of-tampa-bay-rays-20140331/After drawing more than 1.8 million fans in each season from 2008-10, the Rays have averaged approximately 1.5 million in the past three years. The club’s average attendance of 18,646 per game last season was markedly below baseball’s overall average (30,514), but Sternberg is buoyed by local TV ratings that rank in the upper third of the 30 teams. “I focus on the people who are here, not the ones who are not here, and we focus on the people who are engaged on television, on the radio, on the Internet, reading the papers, reading the blogs,’’ said Sternberg. “The TV side of it, the ratings are nothing to scoff at and it’s something that has continued to give us the belief that major-league baseball can thrive in the region.’’"Upper third"... I woulda just said "Top 10" but hey, that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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