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The only way pro/rel happens is if MLS collapses completely, while there is still support for teams at the lower levels who pick up the pieces. So it’s not happening and I wish the conversation would die.

 

All of the people begging for pro/rel probably aren’t fans of teams that are a threat to drop down from their leagues in Europe. So they get to enjoy the fun of seeing a team move up, but don’t care if they get slapped back down immediately. It’s fun to root for Liverpool (YNWA!), Man U, etc., but not so much to root for Shrubshrewbrook FC. 

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50 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

The only way pro/rel happens is if MLS collapses completely, while there is still support for teams at the lower levels who pick up the pieces. So it’s not happening and I wish the conversation would die.

 

All of the people begging for pro/rel probably aren’t fans of teams that are a threat to drop down from their leagues in Europe. So they get to enjoy the fun of seeing a team move up, but don’t care if they get slapped back down immediately. It’s fun to root for Liverpool (YNWA!), Man U, etc., but not so much to root for Shrubshrewbrook FC.  

 

When I started following European soccer a few years ago, I decided I was going to be a Nottingham Forest fan. I don't think it's going to happen for them. Now I'm not as much a Nottingham Forest fan.

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I'm about to ask a question about teams that don't play in North American leagues, but it's a game taking place in North America. I've been seeing advertisements for weeks wrapped around our light rail trains for Tottenham Hotspur vs. AC Milan to be played at the Vikings stadium.  I figured it was a "friendly."

 

I looked it up and apparently it's part of the "International Champions Cup."  Is this event a big deal to the teams?  Do they play their best players?  Is it worth going?

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It's still, more or less, a series of pre-season friendlies.  You may see some of the top players, but you're not going to see a true first-eleven lineup for any of the teams.

 

As to if it's worth going, it probably depends on the ticket price.

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I went to an ICC game with Club America vs Manchester United. It was fun for fans of those teams to see their heroes, but the game kind of sucked and it was too expensive for what it was.

 

I'd pass if I were you.

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4 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

All of the people begging for pro/rel probably aren’t fans of teams that are a threat to drop down from their leagues in Europe. So they get to enjoy the fun of seeing a team move up, but don’t care if they get slapped back down immediately. It’s fun to root for Liverpool (YNWA!), Man U, etc., but not so much to root for Shrubshrewbrook FC. 

 

Shrews till I die! :D 

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4 hours ago, mr.negative15 said:

The only way I ever see it happening is if MLS makes an "MLS 2" and frankly, no one will like that because "it's not real pro/rel". 

 

I don’t know why it wouldn’t be.   There are plenty of examples of one entity owning/controlling the entire table.  League 1/2, anyone?  Does France not have “real pro/rel”?

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3 hours ago, Mockba said:

It's still, more or less, a series of pre-season friendlies.  You may see some of the top players, but you're not going to see a true first-eleven lineup for any of the teams.

 

As to if it's worth going, it probably depends on the ticket price.

I paid $80 for two tickets for United vs City in Houston. Then a veterans ticket site had even further discounted tickets so I got 4. If you pay more than $50/ticket it's too much. Especially in a World Cup year when most stars that are involved won't travel until the end of the preseason. 

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4 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

I don’t know why it wouldn’t be.   There are plenty of examples of one entity owning/controlling the entire table.  League 1/2, anyone?  Does France not have “real pro/rel”?

I’m guessing @mr.negative15 Was talking about a closed two tier system, in which for example a USL team couldn’t get promoted to MLS 2, so it would still be impossible for Oak Hill City to rise from the local league to the top. Ligue 1/2 is just the fully professional tiers being within the same umbrella organization (LFP), but teams from the Championnat National still get promoted, same as La Liga and La Liga 1 2 3

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14 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

Shrews till I die! :D 

If you were a true supporter, you'd know that they are called "The Shrubs"!

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14 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

I don’t know why it wouldn’t be.   There are plenty of examples of one entity owning/controlling the entire table.  League 1/2, anyone?  Does France not have “real pro/rel”?

I probably didn't explain myself well. 

 

What I meant (and @anythinglogos explained much better than I did) was if MLS developed a closed 2 tier system a lot of people would have the opinion of "it's not real pro/rel" because a USL team couldn't get promoted into the MLS system. 

I don't agree with that opinion, I just feel that would be the sentiment of the people who want to see pro/rel so badly. 

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Not surprised that Patrick Vieira used his NYCFC experience as a stepping stone to a higher gig at OGC Nice. A little surprised he's leaving already, particularly in the middle of a season. 

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44 minutes ago, Digby said:

Not surprised that Patrick Vieira used his NYCFC experience as a stepping stone to a higher gig at OGC Nice. A little surprised he's leaving already, particularly in the middle of a season. 

With the transfer season opening he needs to get in place pretty quick, especially since he'll be trying to decide if he can or wants to keep Balotelli ahead of the season. 

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Indeed.  Given the calendar, leaving halfway through was the only choice open to him. 

 

I’m very happy with his replacement, though, so that eases the sting a bit. 

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So one of Austin's first thoughts for PSV is that they agree to not move should they be approved to go to Austin. Granted the penalty would be reimbursing the city for their costs in building the stadium and following demolition that would occur. No decisions made today, probably will be made June 28th at the earliest. 

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Sigh. Why is this type of talk even still a thing? Have y’all actually seen the state of some of these lower clubs? I work for one of the most successful tier II teams left, and I can tell you that there is absolutely ZERO chance they could handle the move up at this point. And the whole purpose for our existence is to move up to MLS. 

 

Asking for pro/rel in the states at this point is like asking someone to build a huge mansion on the side of a hill when the foundation is made of old, wet cardboard. It’s impossible. The United States has a slim to none chance of moving to pro/rel because soccer simply isn’t popular enough here yet. If it ever does happen, it’s going to take literally DECADES more of building up the sport to even consider it. And I don’t see that really ever happening because, as Stugotz has said (he actually had a good point with this one), soccer has been talked about as the “future” of American sports since, like, the 1970s. It’s had great growth lately in the top levels, but there is still a metric :censored: ton of work left to do at basically every single other level. 

 

Also, I think the talk of how popular the youth game is in this county is still extremely overrated. It’s solid at the youngest levels, but it takes a pretty fatal hit and kinda drops off of a cliff once kids start reaching their teens. 

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Absolutely.  We need decades of additional infrastructure building before we can even consider it. 

 

Hell, dropping down to AAA would cause some baseball franchises to fold, much less a developing sport like soccer. 

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8 hours ago, tigers said:

It wouldn't be that hard to have promotion relegation going, just have to get around some egos is all.

 

Hi, municipal leader, we want you to shell out millions of dollars to build a soccer specific stadium for a top level soccer team.  Only there is a decent chance it will not be a top level soccer team at some point, and why did you just slam the door in my face?

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