Say it ain't so, Joe

[Sport]

I'm LOLLING at "If Paterno was guilty why wasn't ever charged then? HUH HUH? RIDDLE ME THAT!"

 

"Because he died." 

 

I don't think he's working with a full set. He's also a Steelers fan, which makes way too much sense.  

[Coast2CoastAM2006]

JoePa is a clear case study of why not to hold people to near God like status. I understand people revere what he did on the field as a coach, but you can't over look the stuff he allowed to happen which we have discussed repeatedly. It's unfortunate this is his legacy now but it is what it is. 

[DnBronc]

On 7/10/2016 at 3:44 PM, Bucfan56 said:

This isn't the first thread that Viola has run into the ground with his "LIBTARD" "SJW" (whatever the hell that is) talk that basically demeans anyone who disagrees with him (which, ironically, he bitched about a TON when the same attitude came his way). The dude needed a break for that alone if nothing else. I sure won't miss him. 

 

EDIT: just looked SJW up. Social Justice Warrior. Good lord. Just ban him. 

 

At this blog (in the comments), there is another example of a right-winger labeling leftists with the SJW label:

 

http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/2016/07/black-panthers-just-more-jvs.html

[CS85]

Joe Paterno knew of Jerry Sandusky abuse in 1976 per testimony in newly unsealed records

 

A man testified in court in 2014 that Penn State football coach Joe Paterno ignored his complaints of a sexual assault committed by assistant coach

Jerry Sandusky in 1976 when the man was a 14-year-old boy, according to new court documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia court.

 

The victim, who was identified in court records as John Doe 150, said that while he was attending a football camp at Penn State, Sandusky touched

him as he showered. Sandusky’s finger penetrated the boy’s rectum, Doe testified in court in 2014, and the victim asked to speak with Paterno about it. 

Doe testified that he specifically told Paterno that Sandusky had sexually assaulted him, and Paterno ignored it.

 

“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s

lawyer asked him in 2014.

 

“Specifically. Yes … I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted… I said, is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?”

 

Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.

 

BUT HE'S A GOOD MAN, PUT THE STATUE BACK

[Sport]

and I'm certain there are more instances like that. 

 

“There is no evidence that reports of these incidents ever went further up the chain of command at PSU,”

 

I'm in favor of another Paterno statue if it's Paterno's head buried in his own ass. 

[OnWis97]

Predictably, while the numbers are not in Joe's favor, his cult is only strengthened by this revelation.  They'll never lose those blinders.  It makes me a bit uneasy to be a sports fan.

[Gothamite]

"I don’t want to hear about how my assistant coach raped you, I have a football season to worry about."

 

There aren't words to describe how unbalanced Paterno was. 

[Gothamite]

11 hours ago, DnBronc said:

there is another example of a right-winger labeling leftists with the SJW label

 

It's a very common epithet amongst right-wing trolls. 

[DnBronc]

Just now, Gothamite said:

 

It's a very common epithet amongst right-wing trolls. 

 

It's funny, because I agree with the person who runs that blog when it comes to Atheism and Evolution (and he detests the republican party), but on the other hand, he seems to attack Obama and the left on a regular basis and blame everything on him. He had another blog post recently vilifying Obama:

 

http://atheism-analyzed.blogspot.com/2016/07/blog-post_7.html#links

[pmoehrin]

For those who are interested you can head over to Twitter to see Scott Paterno having his own Viola style meltdown over this.

 

You would think he would have better things to do with his time today than getting on Twitter and engaging in pointless arguments with internet trolls about his father's legacy, but you would be wrong.

 

The sad part is you can still view Joe Paterno as a morally ambiguous figure who despite his enabling of pedophilia for decades still did a lot of good for his school and players. Its just not okay anymore to deify him as a saint, but that's not good enough for some people. They rather try to put the genie back in the bottle.

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

"I don’t want to hear about how my assistant coach raped you, I have a football season to worry about."

 

If someone ever asks for a simple one sentence definition of Joe Pa's legacy, this is it right here. A century from now, I hope it's the same. 

[OnWis97]

4 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

If someone ever asks for a simple one sentence definition of Joe Pa's legacy, this is it right here. A century from now, I hope it's the same. 

I actually think that most people that are not connected with that area or the school (maybe the State) are getting there on Paterno.  I think most of the rest of the country gets that he's not a person to celebrate and memorialize.

 

They are not with what some of us feel about how Penn State should have been punished (or, rather, culture-cleansed), but that's far less of a black/white discussion, in my opinion.

[CS85]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/ncaa/fighting-over-money-penn-state-again-exhibits-staggering-vileness

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I suppose there is a way to rationalize the latest set of claims that former Penn State football god Joe Paterno knew that his assistant Jerry Sandusky was molesting children as far back as 40 years ago, but it will have to rest on this fairly flimsy structure.

 

“Well, the guy who did the report is working for the insurance company that’s trying to get out of paying out millions to cover the school's settlement costs.”

 

So yes, even sexually assaulting children has a price tag. But you knew that already.

 

By now, the Penn State nightmare is well known to one and all. Sandusky brutalized children while under the employment (and apparently protection) of the university and its most powerful person. He was convicted of multiple counts, and would have to die horribly in prison every day for the next 40 years for true biblical justice to truly have been done.

 

But Penn State, fighting for that precious insurance money, is having the scabs from the initial news torn off in a fight to make its insurance provider cover the cost of its settlement claims to victims. It cannot even be said at this point that the school is fighting for Paterno’s withering legacy, because that fight has already been fought, reached its level of stasis and ended.

 

In that, we mean that those who believe Paterno was a sunglassed saint will always believe so for reasons of family, football or school loyalty, and will, in the absence of evidence any stronger than “Well, I knew him and he was a great man,” “He meant a lot to this area,” or “He did a lot of good things too,” resort to ad hominem attacks to “prove” the righteousness of their cause. For them, preserving their “hero” is worth any cost, and shifting their opinions with a growing mountain of evidence is simply an impossibility.

 

But Sandusky’s victims, who had nothing to regain for the forced removal of their innocence and dignity, had only money to recoup, which the school provided in a burst of magnanimity that it believed it could write off by passing the cost onto the insurance people.

 

And the insurance people are fighting back with a vigor that has again reduced the university’s former and current hierarchy to a pack of jackals, put a new coat of filth on the school’s legacy as a place of honor, and in general reminded us once again that evil first ignored becomes emboldened, and once emboldened becomes the cost of doing business.

 

A cost which the school is now trying to pass on to someone else because it was never the noble righter of wrongs it wanted people to think it was, but a place where evil was aggressively ignored for a very long time, and where blame is something for others to absorb.  There is a cynicism in this that is genuinely breathtaking, and while the argument over Paterno may rage on elsewhere, here the only question is whether one can truly be penitent for crimes, misdemeanors and general acts of horror and shame done on its watch while suing to get its money back.

 

And the answer is no.

 

Penn State said it would own this, and it has not. It has divorced itself from Sandusky, maintained an uneasy relationship with the Paternos, and is now down to the crass business of saving money. The people behind this decision have chosen the standard appalling American method of dealing with corporate crime – ducking the bill – and it makes the school and the hundreds of people who work honestly and forthrightly for it feel the reflected ignominy.

 

And the lawyers fighting for the school – well, one supposes it is their “job,” but not all jobs are as ignoble as this. The legal argument “We feel awful, but not enough to meet the burden we said we would meet” is a fairly revolting one. If sleep comes easy to any of them, or even more so to their clients, justice is a fraud.

 

Then again, we’ve known that about this case for years now. The only succor we can take from it is that all those involved (save the victims) have comported themselves with staggering vileness, and cannot possibly ever get what they truly deserve.

 

The knowledge that they made an insurance company seem decent.

 

 

[Gothamite]

This whole ongoing mess makes me think it's time to consider additional sanctions against the school.  Clearly, they have learned nothing.

[-kj]

3 hours ago, DnBronc said:

 

http://atheism-analyzed....

 

I know I'm a mod, but I'm not saying this in any official capacity:

 

Please never post that site again.  I'm really wishing I could go back and have never clicked on it.  I only spent about thirty seconds looking at it, but I could feel my life force and intelligence being drained.

[rams80]

oh yeah, and also for the record, the indictments issued against the other Penn State officials came out after Paterno had died.

[dont care]

same story different day. What happened was truly terrible, and I'd probably be in a cell for murder if I found out anyone touched my daughter in a way they shouldn't have. but at this point with JoePa and the rest of Penn State not acting to stop this perverted pedophile scum of a man. There is nothing they can do to make it right, there is no amount of money they can give to the victims, there is no amount of punishments and sanctions that can be imposed on them that would make their completely careless actions, or lack of action go away, or make it right.

[Gothamite]

No, but there are punishments and sanctions that can be sufficient to make any other coach or institution do what Paterno and Penn State did.

 

Deterrent is often the point of punishment.

[DnBronc]

8 hours ago, Mockba said:

 

I know I'm a mod, but I'm not saying this in any official capacity:

 

Please never post that site again.  I'm really wishing I could go back and have never clicked on it.  I only spent about thirty seconds looking at it, but I could feel my life force and intelligence being drained.

 

OK, I wont. That guy is too over the top. 

 

I just don't understand some conservatives. They want to go back to the Leave it to Beaver days or the Gilded Age or something. 

[Cosmic]

Rarely do I find myself rooting for an insurance company, but I hope this one wipes the floor with Penn State. If university employees hadn't been turning a blind eye again and again for 35 years, there would be a lot fewer victims for the insurance company to pay settlements to.