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Nobody can take away the wins, the donations, or all the other positive things he did, however, celebrating those sends the message that you can do horrible things and still be celebrated as long as you're winning football games or whatever else.  The message needs to be sent that the victims of crimes deserve more than to see their assailant (or in this case their assailant's enabler) honored, and future generations of people need to know that you can't get away with everything just because you're famous.

 

Celebrating the man only extends the "well, I shouldn't do this, but whatever - I'm famous enough that it'll blow over" mentality, which as we've seen in countless other cases, seems to be prevalent in pro sports (and elsewhere.)

 

 

Whether you think the punishment was fair or not (I think it should have been a lot worse), I'm not sure how there's any new information that could possibly come out that should change it now.  Really - what could possibly come out that's shocking?  Any reasonable person could assume that he knew prior to McQuery - this isn't new.  Right or wrong, the perpetrators have been punished, and the team's following is probably just as big as it was before - and that's a shame - I think the punishments were intended to drop the program down a few tiers and make it less important and provide less incentive to lie and cover up scandals - but obviously they were either too lenient or James Franklin is too good (I think the former is far more likely than the latter.)

 

Remove the statue, remove the name from any place of honor it appears, remove freaking Jay Paterno from any position he holds (he may be innocent (or... maybe not?) but that name just needs to go away for a long time), set up a fund and donate some meaningful percentage of gameday profits to organizations that aid abused children, and move on.  It'll take a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time - but eventually the Paterno worship will fade away.  It was only 2012 (right?) - kids there now were in high-school and still lived most of their lives with him as a hero.  Give it 10 years.  The town itself might never understand right from wrong, but hopefully the students will.

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

Holy :censored: , man. 

 

I really wish this was a parody.   Because taken at face value, it's actually very sad. 

Sadly it's not, it's how most of the Penn State cult members think.

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13 hours ago, CS85 said:

Once again, it comes down to the old saying:

 

A man can build 1000 bridges and :censored: one goat.  He won't be known as a bridge-builder; he'll be known as a goat :censored: er.  

 

I can't say I've heard this one before, but it seems to fit.

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What I don't get is choosing to die on this hill if you're a Joe Paterno fan. I have sports heroes too. If any of them did what Joe Paterno did they wouldn't be my sports heroes anymore and I wouldn't go out of my way to defend them. 

 

If you stake yourself to that side there's no way to come off in a good light. The best possible outcome for you is your football coach was a dumbass who heard from an assistant coach that his former assistant was raping a boy in the shower and then didn't do anything about it. That's...not great and that's best case scenario. Why go to bat for the guy in even that scenario? Consider, then, the more likely scenarios based on testimonies, anecdotes, timelines of when Sandusky left the program and ask yourself, be honest with yourself, was that really the first time Paterno, the man lauded for being the controlling, omnipotent presence leading the PSU football program, heard something like that? The probability of that is low, which means Paterno allowed a known pedophile to bring kids to his facility for years. At best your guy was an idiot, at worst he was complicit in the molestation. In any case he prioritized football over the safety of those kids and in any case you're on the wrong team. 

 

The best way to play it if you're interested in being viewed as a compassionate person capable of separating your sports interests from that of your humanity, Penn Staters, is go "yeah no way around it that Paterno :censored:ed up and we as a community need to reevaluate our priorities because our over-emphasis on amateur football and our deification of the head coach directly contributed to a culture that allowed for years of unchecked molestation of dozens of kids." That's all you have to say.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

What I don't get is choosing to die on this hill if you're a Joe Paterno fan.

 

It's honestly a few steps removed from the same weird racist hacks that are willing to commit murder in order to defend statues of confederate army generals.  They find the destruction of statues and eradication of legacy to be threatening, and when Paterno had all those years of wins, culture creation, and local economy power suddenly yanked from him, these cultist sickos are outraged.

 

One could also argue that the defense is so heavy-handed due to Penn State fans not wanting the "Winning Tradition" of the football program be statistically invalidated.  Perception is a powerful thing, and since Paterno is basically solely responsible for their success, redacting his achievements is essentially redacting the entire history of the program.

 

The only problem is that it's warranted, but good luck explaining that to some of these Penn State creeps.  All they know is that it wasn't Joe Paterno blowing kids in his basement.  It wasn't Joe Paterno raping little boys in the school showers.  It wasn't Joe Paterno forcing kids to give him oral sex.

 

And by that measure alone, because he DIDN'T do it directly, only implicitly, PSU fans are adamant about how this is an issue that merits negotiation.

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16 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Remove the statue, remove the name from any place of honor it appears, remove freaking Jay Paterno from any position he holds (he may be innocent (or... maybe not?) but that name just needs to go away for a long time), set up a fund and donate some meaningful percentage of gameday profits to organizations that aid abused children, and move on.  It'll take a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time - but eventually the Paterno worship will fade away.  It was only 2012 (right?) - kids there now were in high-school and still lived most of their lives with him as a hero.  Give it 10 years.  The town itself might never understand right from wrong, but hopefully the students will.

 

Also, what Penn St. should do (as a caller to the Boers and Bernstein show suggested a year ago) is offer counseling to these victims. If they aren't doing that, they are ***holes of the highest order. 

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5 hours ago, ltp74 said:

Sadly it's not, it's how most of the Penn State cult members think.

 

You're not joking. Two of my cousins are PSU alums. And both live in that same half jusified haze that so many PSU fans seem to. Able to divorce child rape from FOOTBAW!!!!

 

Grandpa was a piece of :censored: guys... winning doesn't fix that.

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22 minutes ago, bosrs1 said:

winning doesn't fix that.

 

I wish I could agree with that, but honestly?...

 

Penn State going on some rampant run of victories would, for all intents and purposes, be looked at as some sort of cathartic opportunity from a great many people.  


"It's the new Penn State legacy."
"It's a rebirth of the program, rising up from the ashes."
"We can finally let the past be in the past."

"Penn State is winning, and with that comes healing."

 

Vomit.

 

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12 hours ago, CS85 said:

 

I wish I could agree with that, but honestly?...

 

Penn State going on some rampant run of victories would, for all intents and purposes, be looked at as some sort of cathartic opportunity from a great many people.  


"It's the new Penn State legacy."
"It's a rebirth of the program, rising up from the ashes."
"We can finally let the past be in the past."

"Penn State is winning, and with that comes healing."

 

Vomit.

 

It already seems like they have sort of become America's Team.  ..partly because a lot of people (most outside this board as far as I can tell) felt like getting everyone out was good enough and the school has been persecuted and partly because Big Bad Ohio State made the playoff.  It seems like people want PSU to be a top-flight program again because that's what matters.

 

There are two issues...Paterno and the program.  I don't think too many outside of the Valley are too into defending Paterno.  It is just the hard-core doing that.

 

However, nationally, folks just want to forget the story and move on and I think winning helps people think that is happening.

 

For me it was never really about Paterno...he was one of several people who enabled Sandusky.  I don't think the school should honor him, but when I wanted an actual impactful punishment, it was about the culture, of which Paterno was only a part... and can continue through a lot of personnel turnover.  That culture valued football wins over basic decency and I'm not convinced getting rid of some people removes that culture.  And that culture seems reflected in their role as a national favorite.

 

I feel like it was a missed opportunity to make sure the risk outweighs the reward in covering up sexual assaults.  And that's much bigger than Paterno.

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http://www.10news.com/news/national/jerry-sandusky-s-son-pleads-guilty-to-14-counts-of-child-sex-abuse

 

Jeffrey Sandusky, the son of convicted sex abuser and former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky, pleaded guilty Friday to all 14 counts of child sexual abuse against him.

The Centre Country district attorney's office said the younger Sandusky, 41, entered the guilty pleas a week before his trial was scheduled to begin.

 

The 14 counts included soliciting sex from a child younger than 16 and soliciting child pornography.

 

According to the district attorney's office, Sandusky will become a Tier III sex offender, the highest level in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania."

 

The charges involve incidents with two girls, one in 2013 and one in 2016.

 

The crimes were uncovered late last year when a girl told her father that Sandusky had texted her repeatedly, asking her to send him naked photos.

 

The father contacted the police, and during the investigation, police discovered another girl, known as victim No. 2, who said Sandusky had asked her to engage in oral sex with him years before.

 

Both victims say Sandusky tried to use different excuses to try to get them to participate, saying at one point that he "had studied medicine" and another time that he believed that Victim No. 1 had shared a nude photo with her boyfriend, and he wanted to see it.

 

"This outcome also ensures the victims need not suffer the trauma and re-victimization of testifying at trial and importantly, the defendant will have to comply with strict sex offender registration requirements for the remainder of his life," District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller said.

 

According to the district attorney's office, the terms of Sandusky's plea guarantee that he will serve 3 to 6 years in state incarceration "but allows the judge to impose as much as 4 to 8 years of state prison in her discretion at the time of sentencing."

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