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8 hours ago, Morgo said:

 

The ironing is delicious.  The people who prefer the 'Mighty Ducks' branding are blinded by nostalgia yet your alternative involves brining back a team who has never had a good logo, uniform, colour scheme, or have won anything.  If it isn't nostalgia then what is the reason for bringing back this team?  The Ducks would have won the cup in 2007 whether they changed their identity or not.  They added Pronger to an already stacked team that shouldn't have lost to the streaking Oilers to begin with.

 

The nostalgia is for the movies, not the team on the ice, because they did NOTHING as the Mighty Ducks. and it's not that i want the Golden Seals...it's among the worst names in major league sports history, what I want is something that's not "ducks" so the "mighty ducks" can never come back, and the logos can be put to bed forever. It's like curing a heroin addiction for a morphine addiction...it's absolutely not good, but at least it's a little better...

 

2 hours ago, Cosmic said:

How can it be "clearly based on Donald Duck", when the mask would fit pretty much any cartoon duck?

 

054.png no it wouldn't.

 

and it'd be a really poor fit on the second most famous cartoon duck, because his bill is bigger and his head smaller and more sloped, like a real duck

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12 minutes ago, VikWings said:

 

So in short you hate the Mighty Ducks brand because more people in your area liked the movies it was tied to than they did the Penguins or hockey in general.

 

I hate the Mighty Ducks because people who don't know hockey still know the movies, and they think the sport is just like the movies, and it couldn't be more from the truth. if anything, those movies make a mockery out of hockey, and then thanks to Disney, those movies are legitimized with a real big-league hockey team. We'd laugh at the idea of a children's movie's team being made into a minor league team...but we're talking about the NHL here! and not only are we ok with it, people love it!

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They went to game 7 of the finals and had another long playoff run in 06. I wouldn't say they did "NOTHING" as the Mighty Ducks.

 

By that logic the St. Louis Blues should change their name and logo because they've never done anything with it. 

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4 minutes ago, McCarthy said:

They went to game 7 of the finals and had another long playoff run in 06. I wouldn't say they did "NOTHING" as the Mighty Ducks.

 

By that logic the St. Louis Blues should change their name and logo because they've never done anything with it. 

 

One Cup Finals. That's barely a blip on the radar as far as I'm concerned.

St. Louis now has history as a reason to stick with the name. If they were a 10ish year old team with no cups and only those first three Finals appearances (and only because they were the top of 6 new teams), I'd be ok with them changing their name. In fact, it would be about the same as everyone on here who says that the Wild should change their name, of which there appears to be a bunch. Now that they're at their 50th anniversary, it's a little too late for such things to be considered.

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2 hours ago, hockey week said:

The nostalgia is for the movies, not the team on the ice, because they did NOTHING as the Mighty Ducks. and it's not that i want the Golden Seals...it's among the worst names in major league sports history, what I want is something that's not "ducks" so the "mighty ducks" can never come back, and the logos can be put to bed forever. It's like curing a heroin addiction for a morphine addiction...it's absolutely not good, but at least it's a little better...

 

I hate the Mighty Ducks because people who don't know hockey still know the movies, and they think the sport is just like the movies, and it couldn't be more from the truth. if anything, those movies make a mockery out of hockey, and then thanks to Disney, those movies are legitimized with a real big-league hockey team. We'd laugh at the idea of a children's movie's team being made into a minor league team...but we're talking about the NHL here! and not only are we ok with it, people love it!

 

They did go to the playoffs four times in twelve seasons, which isn't too impressive, but it's more than all-caps NOTHING. They also had future HOF players play for the "Mighty Ducks," like Teemu, Getzlaf, and Kariya (and Kariya's tears, that thing you so bitterly bring up every time we have the Ducks discussion). 

 

The second point has a nice tinge of hockey elitism, arguing that "Those movies do such a disservice to hockey (given my time looking it up plot summaries, they do a little, but nothing more extreme than any other sports movie), who cares if they got fans into the game and can even be entertaining to people who aren't into hockey! Evil Disney!" Loosen up, and let people like a cartoony identity with a solid color scheme without any pretense of nostalgia. Heck, I've never seen the movies, and I prefer the "Mighty Ducks" crest to the "D/D-script." I wish they went with one of the green/orange prototype designs when they rebranded, but the "Mighty Ducks" crest is still a better look than the "D/D-script."

 

You criticize some of us for wanting to change the Wild's name (which I don't want the Wild to change), yet you go on about wanting to rid the "Mighty Ducks" from history by killing off all temptation for the team to use the name. Please.

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MIGHTY Ducks is a bad name. I wasn't a big fan of the colors either. Ducks is much better, but the newer identity is extremely and overly bland. They should have kept the Duck mask- which is a fantastic logo- and just updated the colors.   

 

Put the duck mask in front of an average non-sports fan, and they'll tell you it belongs to the Mighty Ducks. Put the webbed D foot in front of them, and they'll have no clue what they're looking at. 

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14 hours ago, hockey week said:

I grew up in a Pittsburgh suburb at a time when the Penguins were awful, I was one of maybe four hockey fans in my entire school, and that included the teachers. I got mocked mercilessly for liking "that Canadian sport nobody watches", and I'll never forget when a kid asked me if my Penguins jersey was the new Winnipeg jersey. They were all ready to see the team move, because then maybe we'd get a basketball team.

 

I can relate to that. Picked on endlessly, though probably more because I picked the Mighty Ducks of all teams. I too will never forget the time a kid asked me if I play for them.

Yes, of course I play for the Anaheim NHL team. That's why I'm queuing up for food in a crappy run-down rink in Romford.

 

14 hours ago, hockey week said:

I HATE the Mighty Ducks.

 

That's too bad.

 

14 hours ago, hockey week said:

and you notice, they didn't do anything good as the Mighty Ducks. They went to the Cup final in '03 and lost to New Jersey. It's that and Paul Kariya's tears. Mention Guy Hebert and you have the entire Mighty Ducks history. As soon as they drop the Mighty, BAM they win the Cup. Nobody seems to care about that.

 

Why does it matter what uniform they won the Cup in? Are you suggesting that a tacky 3D lightning bolt with scribbly, totally rad and 90's text is a better logo, simply on the basis that it's got a Cup behind it? Anaheim could have won it all with a duck dropping, on a crappy jersey literally depicting a turd. They won the Cup! Sweet! That doesn't magically change the fact that the uniform :censored:ing sucks.

 

Of course, you wouldn't care to bring this up if they won as the Mighty Ducks. And you'll conveniently forget if they win it in the thirds. It only matters as long as the argument is in your favour.

 

As a Penguins fan, answer me this: why is it perfectly OK for the Pens to bring back their baby blue uniforms, from an era in which they also achieved "NOTHING"?

 

14 hours ago, hockey week said:

TL,DR; nostalgia, nostalgia, nostalgia.

 

Well, hey, some of us our creatures of our time. I'm unashamedly a Mighty Morphin' 90's kid. So yes, nostalgia does play a part in its appeal. But you make it sound like this is the only reason people like the logo. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. You may find this hard to believe but, like a lot of logos out there, people also like the mask because it is a logo that is good. It's a well-designed mark that looks great on a hockey jersey.

 

If we're talking nostalgia for the movies? I'm speaking as a rare breed who didn't grow up with them. Therefore, I have none. My earliest exposure to anything hockey was to the animated TV series, the superhero hockey playing ducks from outer space as opposed to the ragtag bunch of kids. Through that, of all things, I ended up becoming a hockey fan. It was only natural that I'd pick the Mighty Ducks. These days, I couldn't care less about the TV show. But again, I still like the logo because it is good.

 

I'm sure I also said earlier in the thread, I'm all for a return to eggplant and jade, but at this point the current colours - especially the orange - have grown on me. This third is by far the best thing they've ever worn. I like it more than the eggplant and jades. There. I said it. And you know what else? I like the Mighty Ducks logo as much as anyone, but I'm also totally up for a new logo altogether. Maybe something like this concept I threw together some time back. Maybe a modernisation of the duck mask that's less Disney-ish as you suggested (I think?). Anything that would be a worthy successor to the mask logo. Not some half-arsed wordmark.

 

5 hours ago, hockey week said:

I hate the Mighty Ducks because people who don't know hockey still know the movies, and they think the sport is just like the movies, and it couldn't be more from the truth. if anything, those movies make a mockery out of hockey

 

I'm sorry? What? It's a frickin' comedy series. It's no more of a "mockery" to the sport than Slapshot or Goon. If anything, those are more of a "mockery" for glorifying the negative stereotypes long associated with hockey.

 

18 hours ago, hockey week said:

Let's screw everything up with this junior team in the USPHL. No caption for who exactly, but the mashup is pretty unholy

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Well at least we agree on one thing. I have no words.

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56 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

FWIW, Goon is ABSOLUTELY a mockery of the sport of hockey, and is probably one of the worst movies, sports or non sports, that I've ever seen. 

 

You obviously don't watch a lot of movies.

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6 hours ago, hockey week said:

 

One Cup Finals. That's barely a blip on the radar as far as I'm concerned.

St. Louis now has history as a reason to stick with the name. If they were a 10ish year old team with no cups and only those first three Finals appearances (and only because they were the top of 6 new teams), I'd be ok with them changing their name. In fact, it would be about the same as everyone on here who says that the Wild should change their name, of which there appears to be a bunch. Now that they're at their 50th anniversary, it's a little too late for such things to be considered.

 

The team wasn't even 10 years old when they made the finals, were you expecting them to have a dynasty?  Besides that 2003 run was one of the most unexpected, Cinderella stories in recent memory with an unprecedented Conn Smythe winning performance from Giguere.  To say the team accomplished nothing as the Mighty Ducks is revisionist history.  The Clarence Campbell Bowl and Conn Smythe Trophies are important accolades and not every team gets to win them.

 

It's funny, when the Mighty Ducks first became a team, I thought their uniforms and identity were an absolute joke.  It wasn't until the 2003 run that I began to appreciate how unique and well designed those uniforms were.  The first round matchup against Detroit looked spectacular.  Talk about contrasting styles :) .

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

FWIW, Goon is ABSOLUTELY a mockery of the sport of hockey, and is probably one of the worst movies, sports or non sports, that I've ever seen. 

 

Get out.

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It's also clear that both management and fans are in favor of the 'Duck Mask' logo sticking around.  It is currently featured on all three uniforms and I don't see it being banished any time soon.  The fact it's survived a negative, Disney, association proves just how effective a logo it is.

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G-d, I'm so sick of this discussion.

 

The Mighty Ducks name was garbage, and the mask is a bit too cartoony for my tastes. Would "Golden Seals" have been the answer? No, but a proper "Anaheim Ducks" rebrand that ditched the Disney look for a hunter green and orange scheme would have been killer. Instead Brian Burke wanted to dress up like West Point. So we got a bland redesign that just got people nostalgic for a uniform they never really accomplished much in, compared to the one they actually won the Cup in.

Had they gone with the original intended green and orange scheme? That coupled with the Cup win could have really put the nostalgia for the Disney look behind us.

 

Alas that's not what happened. So I say keep the "Anaheim Ducks" name and adopt the alternate full time at home with a white version for the road.

The Disney colours and name are kept in the past, the Cup winning colours and name are preserved. And the fan-favourite logo sticks around as the primary while the duck foot/D stays as an alternate to tie things in with that Cup victory further.

 

It's a rare case where trying to make everyone happy results in the best possible identity, given the circumstances.

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I think the Ducks did everything they can to please everyone. Are they called the Mighty Ducks (which is a cooler name) no but at least they brought back the more recognizable Duck Mask logo on an Alternative jersey to please the fans of the movies. Ducks3rdHiRez.0.jpg

 

So why don't we put this MIGHTY DUCKS discussion behind us?

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1 hour ago, insert name said:

I think the Ducks did everything they can to please everyone. Are they called the Mighty Ducks (which is a cooler name) no but at least they brought back the more recognizable Duck Mask logo on an Alternative jersey to please the fans of the movies. Ducks3rdHiRez.0.jpg

 

So why don't we put this MIGHTY DUCKS discussion behind us?

 

Not fans of the movies....fans of the original branding. That is by far a superior primary logo to the word DUCKS or a duck's foot in the shape of a D. 

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For the record, I liked the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on the ice.

 

I love the current alternate, and based on what I see on an in-person, game-to-game basis, the rest of the fanbase does too.

 

However... I'm not sure how I'd feel going forward making it the primary. It works amazingly as an alternate, but to go back on things and make the Mighty logo the primary, especially after all the work that's been done in the current look. I don't know... It would just feel strange, to me, to go back on these things so soon. The current look seemed finally established.

 

I guess... Maybe I'm torn because I never really thought it could come back as more than a throwback. The idea of that logo coming back as the primary seemed so fantastical to me. I love it so much. It was such a part of who I was growing up. Represents so much more than simply a hockey team. So it coming back would feel so... right, to me, at least. But again, it would also feel not right to throw away what's become a more than serviceable identity. And the Mighty logo does almost represent a different time... But I love it so... 

 

AH, I don't know. Go Ducks.

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42 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

I guess... Maybe I'm torn because I never really thought it could come back as more than a throwback. The idea of that logo coming back as the primary seemed so fantastical to me. I love it so much. It was such a part of who I was growing up. Represents so much more than simply a hockey team. So it coming back would feel so... right, to me, at least. But again, it would also feel not right to throw away what's become a more than serviceable identity. And the Mighty logo does almost represent a different time... But I love it so...

 

I also didn't think it'd return as anything more than a throwback. I would have waited an eternity for that one game, and I was satisfied; maybe my one and only regret being that I wasn't at the game in-person - though funnily enough, I was in Ottawa watching that game in a bar. Maybe it's because I'm wearing jade-tinted goggles (heh) but I didn't think the mask would return as a full-time uniform crest, let alone on an orange jersey, when they've been pushing that tie-in with Orange County and slowly but surely increasing that colour's prominence in the uniform. I was fully expecting the D-foot to be the crest, and was more than pleasantly surprised when the mask returned instead.

 

I don't hate the D. At all. But I've always been a bit iffy about it being the primary. It's a hundred times better than a wordmark though. But again, it's shape and meaning aren't totally clear unless you know what team it belongs to. It's always been supported by either the rest of the letters spelling the name, or the mask logo on the shoulders. It's not strong enough by itself. I do like the logo, and don't mind it staying around. I've probably said already but I think it could lend itself well to a more traditional uniform.

 

Now that there's even the smallest possibility of the mask becoming the primary again, if I have to pick between the two logos the mask wins, hands down.

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