Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[The_Admiral]

The Marlins built a low-capacity stadium that failed to fix supply and demand and cost too much money to build. I don't like going under 35,000 or over 45,000. 

[Red Comet]

12 minutes ago, the admiral said:

The Marlins built a low-capacity stadium that failed to fix supply and demand and cost too much money to build. I don't like going under 35,000 or over 45,000. 

 

I don't think having a genius who spent more money on a garish barely-used contraption than most of his players helped either. 

[Walk-Off]

40 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

I don't think having a narcissistic idiot who spent more money on a garish barely-used contraption than most of his players helped either.

Fixed.

[IceCap]

On 10/18/2019 at 6:22 PM, dont care said:

When stadiums cost billions even billionaires can’t afford it and keep their other businesses afloat.

Stan Kroenke is building a football palace in Los Angeles on his own dime. If he can do that then whoever owns the A's should be able to build a decent ballpark in Oakland.

[Red Comet]

52 minutes ago, Walk-Off said:

Fixed.

 

Do I have to put an /s after any statement that would refer to Jeffrey Loria as a genius in anything except for being a welfare bum?

[Walk-Off]

Sorry about that, @Red Comet.  I was hoping that you were being sarcastic.

 

Anyway, to get this thread somewhat back on topic, have any of you ever read NewBallpark.org, a blog that has spent years covering the Athletics' lengthy, difficult quest to land a replacement for the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum?  I neither am an A's fan nor have any personal connection to Northern California, but I have nonetheless been reading that blog somewhat regularly for most of the nearly fifteen years that it has existed.  Both the blog's deep, steady coverage of the political and financial intrigue that has prolonged and complicated that club's pursuit of a new home venue and the many passionate comments that many readers have made about the matters covered by that blog have been enough to draw me into being a surprisingly frequent reader.

[Red Comet]

13 minutes ago, Walk-Off said:

Sorry about that, @Red Comet.  I was hoping that you were being sarcastic.

 

Anyway, to get this thread somewhat back on topic, have any of you ever read NewBallpark.org, a blog that has spent years covering the Athletics' lengthy, difficult quest to land a replacement for the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum?  I neither am an A's fan nor have any personal connection to Northern California, but I have nonetheless been reading that blog somewhat regularly for most of the nearly fifteen years that it has existed.  Both the blog's deep, steady coverage of the political and financial intrigue that has prolonged and complicated that club's pursuit of a new home venue and the many passionate comments that many readers have made about the matters covered by that blog have been enough to draw me into being a surprisingly frequent reader.

 

It's all copacetic. And thank you for the rabbit hole! I wonder how Charlie Finley feels now that the city he abandoned has a far nicer stadium than the Coliseum could ever be?

Edited October 23, 2019 by Red Comet

[dont care]

5 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Stan Kroenke is building a football palace in Los Angeles on his own dime. If he can do that then whoever owns the A's should be able to build a decent ballpark in Oakland.

Stan Kroenke is worth over 8 billion, the A’s owner is worth less than 2. That’s a huge difference

[dfwabel]

2 hours ago, dont care said:

Stan Kroenke is worth over 8 billion, the A’s owner is worth less than 2. That’s a huge difference

Not necessarily, especially when in MLB you get at least 81 attempts (as of now) per year to recoup your investment.  As @Gothamite alluded to, billionaires have pretty easy access to funding when needed since they go to Goldman Sachs at virtually anytime for their core business. The Athletics make money as it is, so the books are fine, even without future revenue sharing checks coming in.  As I stated before, when the news hit in February that Gap was going to spin off Old Navy, the family's net worth is going to increase since they will get one Old Navy share for every Gap one they own and they own 43% of Gap.

 

 

[monkeypower]

The Angels have agreed to stay in Anaheim until 2050 and the stadium (along with 133 surrounding acres) to be sold to a business partnership, which includes Arte Moreno, for $325 million.

 

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/04/angels-agree-to-stay-in-anaheim-through-2050-stadium-to-be-sold-for-325-million/

[GDAWG]

28 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

The Angels have agreed to stay in Anaheim until 2050 and the stadium (along with 133 surrounding acres) to be sold to a business partnership, which includes Arte Moreno, for $325 million.

 

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/04/angels-agree-to-stay-in-anaheim-through-2050-stadium-to-be-sold-for-325-million/

 

Rob Manfred right now: One down, three (Arizona, Oakland and Tampa) to go.

[Red Comet]

49 minutes ago, monkeypower said:

The Angels have agreed to stay in Anaheim until 2050 and the stadium (along with 133 surrounding acres) to be sold to a business partnership, which includes Arte Moreno, for $325 million.

 

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/12/04/angels-agree-to-stay-in-anaheim-through-2050-stadium-to-be-sold-for-325-million/

 

That's quite a sweetheart deal. I'm sure that it'll be a total coincidence that whoever negotiated this deal gets a massive war chest the next time they're up for re-election. 

Edited December 4, 2019 by Red Comet

[pmoehrin]

5 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

Rob Manfred right now: One down, three (Arizona, Oakland and Tampa) to go.

 

Its a BS explanation for not expanding.

 

So long as a team is playing in the worst ballpark in the Majors, there's always going to be an X number of teams to go. There's always going to be a worst ballpark, so you figure out how long it's going to be before every team is 100% satisfied with their ballpark situation.

[Red Comet]

20 minutes ago, pmoehrin said:

 

Its a BS explanation for not expanding.

 

So long as a team is playing in the worst ballpark in the Majors, there's always going to be an X number of teams to go. There's always going to be a worst ballpark, so you figure out how long it's going to be before every team is 100% satisfied with their ballpark situation.

 

Shhhhh, you're making too much sense. If there weren't available markets to expand to, then how else will billionaire owners and politicians be able to demand a taxpayer-funded stadium? Why, they'd have to make do and actually think of creative ways to make money and that's just not fair to people with sterile minds.

[Wings]

The A's need to give up on the waterfront pipe dream and build at the Coliseum Complex. If not, then get the F out. 

[GDAWG]

Meanwhile in Tampa:

 

 

[rmc523]

Like I said in the other thread:

 

They haven't been able to get a single stadium built for a full-time team.  Why on earth would TWO cities pay for new ballparks for a team playing there half the time??

[infrared41]

21 hours ago, pmoehrin said:

Its a BS explanation for not expanding.

 

Of all the things MLB needs to do, expanding isn't any of them. 

[SFGiants58]

39 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

Of all the things MLB needs to do, expanding isn't any of them. 

 

I'd say contracting the Florida Two would be an ideal situation.

[infrared41]

6 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

I'd say contracting the Florida Two would be an ideal situation.

 

Agreed. Anyone who listens to Basically a Sports Show knows my position on Major League Baseball in Florida. It was a bad idea from the start and it just got worse from there. Those two teams are never going to be successful in Florida. Move them, get rid of them, or find a way to have them play just the Yankees, Red Sox, and Cubs for their home schedules. It's a shame that a pretty cool stadium is being wasted on Miami.