2021 NFL Season - Adults Arguing About Matt Stafford

[SFGiants58]

1 hour ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

I have no idea who will win the AFC. Green Bay is snakebit, so I fully expect LA or Dallas to win the NFC.

 

The Niners look surprisingly good, while I would also consider a Saints run. I also wouldn't count out the Seahawks should the Saints falter. Arizona seems to be fading a bit, which isn't a good sign.

[Rockstar Matt]

21 hours ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

I have no idea who will win the AFC. Green Bay is snakebit, so I fully expect LA or Dallas to win the NFC.

This is a weird season.

 

Completely weird. A lot of good, but flawed teams and not a single great one. There's legitimately 8-9 teams that could realistically win the Super Bowl this year. It's as wide open as we've seen in years. 2014 was probably the last season that resembled this.

 

It does kinda feel like that if the Packers don't make the Super Bowl this year, then they never will again with Rodgers as their QB. Everything is setting up for them.

 

And for the Cowboys, it also sorta feels like if they don't at least reach the NFC Championship Game, they never will with this core.

 

20 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

The Niners look surprisingly good, while I would also consider a Saints run. I also wouldn't count out the Seahawks should the Saints falter. Arizona seems to be fading a bit, which isn't a good sign.

 

You can count out the Seahawks. They're done.

 

For them to make the postseason it would require the WTF's, Eagles, Vikings, and  Saints to completely drop the ball (Eagles and the Team With No Name still have to play each other twice, and each get to play the Giants again) AND because of the Hawks basically already lost to every team above them in the Wild-Card race, they'd need to pretty much win out. Unlikely considering they still have to play the Rams and Cardinals on the road. Plus once you factor in that Russell is not playing like an elite QB for the first time since probably his rookie year, it's really exposed how bad the Seahawks truly are. Wilson has been masking how bad they've been for years.

 

I actually think the Eagles or WFT will get that last spot, though my bet's on Philly making it as the 7th seed.

[Crabcake]

Has everyone conveniently forgotten that the Chiefs are on like a 7 game winning streak? If they keep this up they'll ravage through the AFC and probably beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game to do it because there is no joy in life and there most certainly isn't any joy in football.

[Sport]

12 hours ago, dont care said:

It’s because coaches have become too reliant on analytics that says 2 point conversions are the better option, even when anyone with any form of common sense could tell you the analytics are wrong.

 

If something doesn't work it doesn't mean the analytics were wrong. It means the outcome fell in the unfavorable percentage, which is how probability works. We've seen teams lose when win probability had them with a greater than 95% chance of winning. That doesn't mean the win probability was wrong.

 

And the analytics in this case actually leaned towards kicking the extra point, but I guess Harbaugh liked his chances converting against a tired defense over playing Rodgers in overtime. And whether you kick or convert the 2 then you still give Rodgers the ball with 42 seconds left and I'd rather have a one point lead in that situation than be tied. 

 

Also, why are we griping about coaches going for the win on two pointers instead of going to tie? That's one of the most exciting plays that can happen in football. It's great theater. 

[Kramerica Industries]

1 hour ago, Crabcake said:

and probably beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game to do it because there is no joy in life and there most certainly isn't any joy in football.

 

Even if Tom Brady is no longer with the Patriots, there's always plenty of joy to be had in the Patriots losing in the playoffs. I mean, 'mate, you're a Ravens fan, you've faced the Patriots four times in the playoffs in recent years while never once facing the Chiefs (usually 'cuz you lose before you get to them, admittedly). I don't know how you could even feel this way. 

 

Unless what you're saying here is that a Patriots/Chiefs AFC-CG in and of itself is already a lose-lose for everybody else, no matter who wins it. I could understand that POV a bit better, but while I will fully acknowledge having biases here (and last year's Super Bowl isn't one of them, I swear), I find these Chiefs teams a whole hell of a lot more tolerable than I ever found those Patriots teams. Frankly, when the Chiefs are on their game, they're really fun to watch and I've never been able to muster up any real disliking for them. Of course there is Tyreek Hill over there who's human rights record has a few undesirable notes on it, to say the least...

[DG_ThenNowForever]

I've got nothing against KC...yet.

 

Also, I think the Pats aren't as good as their record. I think the Bills overtake them and if the Pats make the playoffs, I don't see them going far.

[BBTV]

20 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

I've got nothing against KC...yet.

 

Andy Reid's willingness to sign anyone who's committed any crime short of mass murder is good enough for me to have something against them.  I'm fairly certain he'd take a mass murderer as long as he could run fast and could play at least a couple of games while awaiting sentencing.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Just now, BBTV said:

 

Andy Reid's willingness to sign anyone who's committed any crime short of mass murder is good enough for me to have something against them.  I'm fairly certain he'd take a mass murderer as long as he could run fast and could play at least a couple of games while awaiting sentencing.

 

That's not untrue for much of the NFL though.

[gothedistance]

2 hours ago, Crabcake said:

Has everyone conveniently forgotten that the Chiefs are on like a 7 game winning streak? If they keep this up they'll ravage through the AFC and probably beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game to do it because there is no joy in life and there most certainly isn't any joy in football.

 

There's always going to be a team that people don't expect who rises up.

[FiddySicks]

40 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

Andy Reid's willingness to sign anyone who's committed any crime short of mass murder is good enough for me to have something against them.  I'm fairly certain he'd take a mass murderer as long as he could run fast and could play at least a couple of games while awaiting sentencing.

I would like to tell people that I feel the same way, but this season (and last) has shown me that I probably just don’t care about any of that nearly as much as I should. 

[BBTV]

 

[Crabcake]

2 hours ago, Kramerica Industries said:

 

Even if Tom Brady is no longer with the Patriots, there's always plenty of joy to be had in the Patriots losing in the playoffs. I mean, 'mate, you're a Ravens fan, you've faced the Patriots four times in the playoffs in recent years while never once facing the Chiefs (usually 'cuz you lose before you get to them, admittedly). I don't know how you could even feel this way. 

 

Unless what you're saying here is that a Patriots/Chiefs AFC-CG in and of itself is already a lose-lose for everybody else, no matter who wins it. I could understand that POV a bit better, but while I will fully acknowledge having biases here (and last year's Super Bowl isn't one of them, I swear), I find these Chiefs teams a whole hell of a lot more tolerable than I ever found those Patriots teams. Frankly, when the Chiefs are on their game, they're really fun to watch and I've never been able to muster up any real disliking for them. Of course there is Tyreek Hill over there who's human rights record has a few undesirable notes on it, to say the least...

Yeah I meant the second one. I do find the Chiefs more tolerable than the Patriots but only slightly if I’m being honest. The amount of media attention/adulation/constant praise/hyperbole that Mahomes and Kelce and Hill and their offense gets (no matter how much of it is deserved; spoiler alert: much of it is) is just exhausting. Tyrann Mathieu comes off as arrogant. Tyreek Hill is a bad person. I for the most part don’t have a bone to pick with their fans, they suffered enough so they deserve to see some success. And Arrowhead has always been loud no matter what the team’s record has been, so they deserve props for that. The fact that they were Lamar’s main kryptonite the last 3 years didn’t help either. 
 

But even despite how much I loathed the Brady-era Patriots, I strangely couldn’t help myself from being happy when the Bucs and Brady won last year because of how much the Chiefs needed that slice of humble pie. They essentially did what they wanted to the entire league for the better part of 3 seasons and I think they started listening to their own hype a bit too much. Watching Brady and the Bucs defense completely dismantle them was something I enjoyed far more than I thought I would. 

[tBBP]

5 hours ago, Crabcake said:

Has everyone conveniently forgotten that the Chiefs are on like a 7 game winning streak? If they keep this up they'll ravage through the AFC and probably beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game to do it because there is no joy in life and there most certainly isn't any joy in football.

 

America can thank the Chargers for reverting back to the Charger-esque ways and Chargering away the game in a way only the Chargers can...or said another way, "Chargers gonna Charger." Speaking of KC, they get the Steelers next week in Arrowhead. Now this can go one of two ways: either the Steelers defensive line can decide they're great and beat the mess out of Patrick Mahomes--which they'll need to since apparently scoring first-half touchdowns is illegal in the Steelers organization--or the Chiefs can come out firing, open enough holes for their RBs to gash through, and if KC keeps their foot mashed to the gas, the Steelers will get boatraced all the way back to Pittsburgh. 

 

3 hours ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

I've got nothing against KC...yet.

 

Also, I think the Pats aren't as good as their record. I think the Bills overtake them and if the Pats make the playoffs, I don't see them going far.

 

Look, I like Buffalo. But at this point, people need to quit picking them to win the big ones. They're not near as solid this season as last, and quite frankly I don't trust in their ability to break through when it matters--that is, unless they somehow meet and Buffalo copies the blueprint Indy just laid on the Patriots.

 

2 hours ago, gothedistance said:

 

There's always going to be a team that people don't expect who rises up.

 

Speaking of the Colts, could someone nominate...them?? (Especially if the Snatit go full Snatit the next two weeks...and with their next game coming against SF in Nashville, that's a very real possibility. Though, with all the injuries they've been ravaged with, they might get only the slightest bit of a pass. But not really.)

[Red Comet]

10 hours ago, Crabcake said:

Has everyone conveniently forgotten that the Chiefs are on like a 7 game winning streak? If they keep this up they'll ravage through the AFC and probably beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game to do it because there is no joy in life and there most certainly isn't any joy in football.

I sure as hell didn’t but then again I’m very biased. I get people getting sick of the Chiefs but I know it’ll all end at some point so I might as well enjoy this success. I stuck around for when they went 2-14 back in 2012, not to mention all the times they were not bad enough to get high draft picks but not good enough to do anything in the postseason. 
 

The other team that gives me the same vibes that they’re about to break out after so many bad/mediocre seasons is Cincinnati. God knows they need a playoff win and I think it’ll come very soon. Going to be weird as hell hearing that people are sick of the Bengals after 5 years, that’s for sure.

 

[DoctorWhom]

I hated the Chiefs before it was cool. (Before Mahomes). 

 

IDK I just always found them a very boring uninspiring team. Even with Mahomes, the only that changed was that they started winning. 

 

As for their win streak, yeah I'm not really buying it. Mahomes is still prone to making mistakes & I expect the defense to regress like it did before. I'm not putting them above any team in the AFC.  They could very easily lose in the 1st round. 

[dont care]

22 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

I sure as hell didn’t but then again I’m very biased. I get people getting sick of the Chiefs but I know it’ll all end at some point so I might as well enjoy this success. I stuck around for when they went 2-14 back in 2012, not to mention all the times they were not bad enough to get high draft picks but not good enough to do anything in the postseason. 
 

The other team that gives me the same vibes that they’re about to break out after so many bad/mediocre seasons is Cincinnati. God knows they need a playoff win and I think it’ll come very soon. Going to be weird as hell hearing that people are sick of the Bengals after 5 years, that’s for sure.

 

It’s the bengals, they are bound to trip over their own duck at some point.

[tBBP]

40 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

I sure as hell didn’t but then again I’m very biased. I get people getting sick of the Chiefs but I know it’ll all end at some point so I might as well enjoy this success. I stuck around for when they went 2-14 back in 2012, not to mention all the times they were not bad enough to get high draft picks but not good enough to do anything in the postseason. 

 

I'm not sure how old you are, so you may or may not remember this, but the Chiefs were actually one of the AFC's better teams through most of the 90s--basically the Chargers of that decade, and like the Chargers of the 2000s, the Chiefs were also about the most one-and-donest team ever, dang near guaranteed to go 13-3 or 14-2 in the regular season, dang near guaranteed to get bounced in the first round. (Probably not much of a coincidence then that the two teams were coached by the same guy: Marty Schottenheimer.) Anyway, I say all that because even back then, the Chiefs were one of those teams that unless you lived in KC, you were completely indifferent about--nothing to write home about, but nothing to hate about them either; they were just "there". It's much the same way with the Colts these days...good luck finding a Colts fan outside Indiana unless they're either from there or have some tie to Indiana. Because of that, I actually grew to like both teams, once I spent enough time around both towns (one of which I lived in for four years).

 

I say all that because I've seen the arc the Chiefs have taken over the past three decades (dang I'm getting old!): from regular season Champs and one-and-dones in the 90s to absolute butt in the 2000s and early 2010s to slowly picking up steam to drafting Mahomes to where they are now. I've also, unfortunately, seen how the fanbase has fluctuated--not the ones in and of KC, but all the recent frontrunner bandwagoners that have popped up in the past four years, acting like they've been Chiefs fans their whole lives. That right there will draw the ire and angst of many fans of the sport (like myself) more so than the team on the field sometimes. (I also observed this about the Saints and the bandwagon fans they gained shortly after Drew Brees and Sean Payton got there in '06...and from having grown up three hours east of NO I can GUARANTEE you not a single Saints fan existed outside of the New Orleans area prior to that unless they either had a tie to NO or was from there. 

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Offensive holding with 30 seconds to go is a ballsy call.

[Indigo]

If the Colts, Chargers, and Bills lose out, and if the Steelers win out (beating the Chiefs and Browns), the Browns beat the Packers and Bengals, Ravens beat the Bengals, and the Bengals beat the Chiefs, the AFC North can send all 4 to the playoffs*. Unlikely, but still mathematically possible.
 

*made before result of Browns/Raiders. If Raiders win, Browns are done.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

These Bears sure are bad!