HedleyLamarr Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 A 16-conference can work if you treat it like 2 small conferences with an association crossover.Each 8-team division would play the other teams in division plus one or two rotating (or permanent) opponents from the other one. The other three games would be non-conference. Division winner would meet in the title game and go from there.I see it more like 4 divisions of 4. I'll use the SEC as an example. Assuming the SEC expands with Texas A&M, Missouri, Florida State, and Clemson...(By the way...just what the SEC needs is two more 'Tigers' nicknames in the conference....)First, we'll pair off the permanent East vs. West opponents:Auburn - GeorgiaAlabama - TennesseeLSU - FloridaArkansas - South CarolinaOle Miss - VanderbiltMississippi State - KentuckyMissouri - ClemsonTexas A&M - Florida StateSecondly, we'll create the four divisions:Western Sub-ConferenceDivision A: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&MDivision B: Alabama, Auburn, Miss State, Ole MissEastern Sub-ConferenceDivision A: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, KentuckyDivision B: Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, VanderbiltThirdly, we'll pair off the permanent Sub-Conference (A vs. B ) opponents:LSU - AlabamaArkansas - AuburnMissouri - Ole MissTexas A&M - Miss StateFlorida - TennesseeGeorgia - South CarolinaKentucky - VanderbiltFlorida State - ClemsonObviously, they'll have to go to nine conference games. After that, they can go in two directions, both of which allows the opportunity for players to play every conference school at least once within a 4-year period:Option #1:Play each school in your division once (3 games)Play two schools (one home game, one away game) in the other three sub-conferences, two of which are your designated permanent opponents, the other four schools rotated annually (6 games)Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Alabama, @ Auburn, LSU, @ MissouriOption #2:Play each school in your division once (3 games)Play all four schools (two home, two away) in another division (rotate between other three divisions annually) (4 games)Play one school from other two divisions (one home, one away) (2 games) Plug in your designated permanent opponents when necessary.Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Vanderbilt, @ Clemson, @Auburn, ArkansasThen, to decide a champion, it becomes a 4-team playoff. The two sub-conference division champions play each other at the site of the school with the better record (West A vs. West B, East A vs. East B ) and the followiing weekend...the West Sub-Conference Champion plays the East Sub-Conference Champion for the SEC Championship in the Georgia Dome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 How can a great conference like the Big XII fall apart so epically.Built in structural inequalities between various members.That and a lack of conviction of the big powers to work to save the league. If Texas (and lesser extent Oklahoma) wanted to save the Big 12 they would have agreed to equal payments like the SEC, Big Ten, and Pac-10/12 have and Nebraska and Colorado most likely wouldn't have left in the first place. However instead of doing that Texas flirted with the Pac-10 and then basically bullied the teams that would be left behind (Kansas, Kansas St., Missouri, Baylor, Iowa St.) to agree to keep the uneven distribution in place and allow teams (re: Texas) to be able to start their own regional networks, furthering the imbalance. And that power play is what is dooming the conference a year later. So Texas gets a lot for football I am sure Kansas got a lot for basketball.Basketball makes very little overall comparative to football. The main media event in College Basketball is the NCAA tournament and it is controlled by the NCAA not the conferences. Regular season college basketball is essentially filler programming for ESPN during the winter. As such basketball by and large adds little to the conferences tv contracts. Thus this all being driven by football and basketball is of little consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 A 16-conference can work if you treat it like 2 small conferences with an association crossover.Each 8-team division would play the other teams in division plus one or two rotating (or permanent) opponents from the other one. The other three games would be non-conference. Division winner would meet in the title game and go from there.I see it more like 4 divisions of 4. I'll use the SEC as an example. Assuming the SEC expands with Texas A&M, Missouri, Florida State, and Clemson...(By the way...just what the SEC needs is two more 'Tigers' nicknames in the conference....)First, we'll pair off the permanent East vs. West opponents:Auburn - GeorgiaAlabama - TennesseeLSU - FloridaArkansas - South CarolinaOle Miss - VanderbiltMississippi State - KentuckyMissouri - ClemsonTexas A&M - Florida StateSecondly, we'll create the four divisions:Western Sub-ConferenceDivision A: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri, Texas A&MDivision B: Alabama, Auburn, Miss State, Ole MissEastern Sub-ConferenceDivision A: Florida, Florida State, Georgia, KentuckyDivision B: Clemson, South Carolina, Tennessee, VanderbiltThirdly, we'll pair off the permanent Sub-Conference (A vs. B ) opponents:LSU - AlabamaArkansas - AuburnMissouri - Ole MissTexas A&M - Miss StateFlorida - TennesseeGeorgia - South CarolinaKentucky - VanderbiltFlorida State - ClemsonObviously, they'll have to go to nine conference games. After that, they can go in two directions, both of which allows the opportunity for players to play every conference school at least once within a 4-year period:Option #1:Play each school in your division once (3 games)Play two schools (one home game, one away game) in the other three sub-conferences, two of which are your designated permanent opponents, the other four schools rotated annually (6 games)Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Alabama, @ Auburn, LSU, @ MissouriOption #2:Play each school in your division once (3 games)Play all four schools (two home, two away) in another division (rotate between other three divisions annually) (4 games)Play one school from other two divisions (one home, one away) (2 games) Plug in your designated permanent opponents when necessary.Using Georgia as an example for scheduling:Florida, @ Florida State, Kentucky, South Carolina, @ Tennessee, Vanderbilt, @ Clemson, @Auburn, ArkansasThen, to decide a champion, it becomes a 4-team playoff. The two sub-conference division champions play each other at the site of the school with the better record (West A vs. West B, East A vs. East B ) and the followiing weekend...the West Sub-Conference Champion plays the East Sub-Conference Champion for the SEC Championship in the Georgia Dome.How does this effect the rules regarding number of game a team could play? Under this two teams play 14 games, I don't think that is allowed under current rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 How does this effect the rules regarding number of game a team could play? Under this two teams play 14 games, I don't think that is allowed under current rules.These four super conferences can always tell the NCAA to go screw themselves and make up their own rules..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 16 Team Conferences would work nearly perfectly...16 Team Conference with 4 Teams in 4 Divisions:In Year 1: Team A1 plays teams A2, A3, A4, B1, B2, B3, B4, at large 1, at large 2, at large 3, Protected Cross Over, Conference Title Game.In Year 2: Team A1 plays teams A2, A3, A4, C1, C2, C3, C4, at large 1, at large 2, at large 3, Protected Cross Over, Conference Title Game.In Year 3: Team A1 plays teams A2, A3, A4, D1, D2, D3, D4, at large 1, at large 2, at large 3, Protected Cross Over, Conference Title Game.In the event of the Protected Cross Over game occurs in the normal rotation, a 4th at large game can be added.There is a possibility of a 16 Team Conference with 2 Leagues, 4 total Divisions of 4 Teams each, bur the scheduling would get a bit more convoluted. Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The Mountain West is holding a board meeting on Tuesday to discuss luring some teams from the Big 12. Unfortunately, those schools would likely be Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State. Quote POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The Mountain West is holding a board meeting on Tuesday to discuss luring some teams from the Big 12. Unfortunately, those schools would likely be Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State.Poor Missouri, nobody wants them. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The Mountain West is holding a board meeting on Tuesday to discuss luring some teams from the Big 12. Unfortunately, those schools would likely be Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State.Poor Missouri, nobody wants them.If the Big 10 were smart... and I like to think they are... they would try and grab Mizzou now. They are basically top 30 team in Football and Basketball. That can't hurt for competition and compensation. Nah mean? Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HedleyLamarr Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 The Mountain West is holding a board meeting on Tuesday to discuss luring some teams from the Big 12. Unfortunately, those schools would likely be Baylor, Iowa State, and Kansas State.Poor Missouri, nobody wants them.If the Big 10 were smart... and I like to think they are... they would try and grab Mizzou now. They are basically top 30 team in Football and Basketball. That can't hurt for competition and compensation. Nah mean?Like I mentioned before, it wouldn't suprise me at all to learn that the commissioners of the Big Ten, Pac-12, and SEC held off on creating these super-conferences so they could discuss which schools are going to be invited by which conferences. At this point, we have a pretty good feeling which schools will be leaving for more premier conferences, and the Mountain West will be targeting those BCS-conference schools that aren't coveted by the bigger conferences.Missouri knows it won't be a part of the Big XII for much longer, but is waiting until the bigger dominoes fall (Texas A&M, the two Oklahoma schools, and Texas to make their decision) so they don't have to pay a fee (or, at the very least, a small fee) to leave the Big XII. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 At halftime against Texas, the Rice marching band pretty much summed up all the conference reshuffling in three letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESTONES6 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 At halftime against Texas, the Rice marching band pretty much summed up all the conference reshuffling in three letters.Love this. Quote SAINT IGNATIUS WILDCATS | CLEVELAND BROWNS | CLEVELAND CAVALIERS | CLEVELAND INDIANS | THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas St. look to be heading to the Big East. Those schools had discussions with the Big East last year when it looked like the Pac-16 was going to happen. Missouri would like to go into the Big Ten, but I think the B1G wants to go east with their expansion at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Given to option to put USF on less of an island or TCU on less of an option, TCU looks to be winning.Missouri, Kansas and K-State is a greater addition than UCF + whoever when you look at the whole picture.These three additions would be the nail in the coffin of Nova to FBS unless they find a 14th football member and that school would likely have to be football only. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas St. look to be heading to the Big East. Those schools had discussions with the Big East last year when it looked like the Pac-16 was going to happen. Missouri would like to go into the Big Ten, but I think the B1G wants to go east with their expansion at this point.For once, I think a super-conference switch might actually BENEFIT college basketball this time (Kansas vs. the likes of Louisville, Georgetown, Syracuse, and UConn every year...I drool at the very thought) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Missouri, Kansas, and Kansas St. look to be heading to the Big East. Those schools had discussions with the Big East last year when it looked like the Pac-16 was going to happen. Missouri would like to go into the Big Ten, but I think the B1G wants to go east with their expansion at this point.For once, I think a super-conference switch might actually BENEFIT college basketball this time (Kansas vs. the likes of Louisville, Georgetown, Syracuse, and UConn every year...I drool at the very thought)Except they wouldn't even play annually unless the Big East started jettisoning members. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 A football school breakaway or kicking out basketball schools (remember: the basketball teams would now be a minority as opposed to the current 8/8, or 9/8 when TCU joins, setup as it is now) will see the Big East lose programs like Nova (if they don't join in football), Seton Hall, and Georgetown but also the likes of Depaul and Providence. Big East/whatever a new conference would be called would still feature UConn, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, and Kansas State in basketball and still be one of, if not the, top basketball leagues.More intrigue might be Notre Dame. If everything goes to 16-team football conferences where do they go? Take their entire athletic program to the Big 10, finally join the Big East in football, fall into irrelevance? Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 More intrigue might be Notre Dame. If everything goes to 16-team football conferences where do they go? Take their entire athletic program to the Big 10, finally join the Big East in football, fall into irrelevance?Pretty sure they've done that already. Quote POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 A football school breakaway or kicking out basketball schools (remember: the basketball teams would now be a minority as opposed to the current 8/8, or 9/8 when TCU joins, setup as it is now) will see the Big East lose programs like Nova (if they don't join in football), Seton Hall, and Georgetown but also the likes of Depaul and Providence. Big East/whatever a new conference would be called would still feature UConn, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, WVU, Kansas, and Kansas State in basketball and still be one of, if not the, top basketball leagues.More intrigue might be Notre Dame. If everything goes to 16-team football conferences where do they go? Take their entire athletic program to the Big 10, finally join the Big East in football, fall into irrelevance?The Big East added Depaul to get to 16 teams when it added Louisville and others in the 2000s. They could easily drop them again (and Notre Dame in all non-football sports once and for all). Adding Kansas, K-State and Missouri is a coup for both sports, but an overall loss for basketball tradition. We'll see. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Not quite. They still get love every pre-season no matter how bad they were the year before. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Not quite. They still get love every pre-season no matter how bad they were the year before.That begs the question - how the hell can Notre Dame get that kind of treatment but not Michigan? Quote POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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