Anaheim Kings?

[CubsFanBudMan]

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News catching up to rumors we heard and posted, either earlier in this thread or in the next move/expansion thread, quite a while back:

Does Kings to Anaheim mean Hornets to San Jose?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/03/04/its-all-related-anaheim-the-kings-the-warriors-and-yes-maybe-an-nba-team-in-san-jose/

[The_Admiral]

The Charlotte Hornets were doing really well until people stopped going to games because the team owner was a creep. I don't know why this was a sticking point. They all are.

[dfwabel]

The Charlotte Hornets were doing really well until people stopped going to games because the team owner was a creep. I don't know why this was a sticking point. They all are.

Charlotte Coliseum II had a big capacity, but no club level and just eight suites. When I went there in 2003, I was amazed in how pedestrian it was. It was laughable for a professional facility, but it wasn't that old meanwhile other areas built better facilities. An owner cannot really make money with that facility design.

Mike Illitch has realized that for over a decade with Joe Louis Arena and the DeVos family got Orlando to have a new place on the ballot.

[bosrs1]

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News catching up to rumors we heard and posted, either earlier in this thread or in the next move/expansion thread, quite a while back:

Does Kings to Anaheim mean Hornets to San Jose?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/03/04/its-all-related-anaheim-the-kings-the-warriors-and-yes-maybe-an-nba-team-in-san-jose/

It certainly is plausible. But I'm sure that's small comfort to people in Sac since it just lowers the likelihood they'd ever get another team. Just seems to be the NBA dumping more small markets to consolidate in bigger ones to me.

[Burmy]

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News catching up to rumors we heard and posted, either earlier in this thread or in the next move/expansion thread, quite a while back:

Does Kings to Anaheim mean Hornets to San Jose?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/03/04/its-all-related-anaheim-the-kings-the-warriors-and-yes-maybe-an-nba-team-in-san-jose/

Not quite. Though I do see a parallel between both situations if "Hornets to San Jose" is the case.

ANAHEIM

1. Clippers don't get much support in LA, people say they should move to Anaheim

2. Owner ignores them because he enjoys LA

3. Anaheim's available for the Kings now

SAN JOSE

1. Warriors play in Oakland's old arena, people say they should move to San Jose

2. Owner ignores them because he has his sights set on San Francisco

3. San Jose might be available for the Hornets now?

[crashcarson15]

Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News catching up to rumors we heard and posted, either earlier in this thread or in the next move/expansion thread, quite a while back:

Does Kings to Anaheim mean Hornets to San Jose?

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2011/03/04/its-all-related-anaheim-the-kings-the-warriors-and-yes-maybe-an-nba-team-in-san-jose/

Not quite. Though I do see a parallel between both situations if "Hornets to San Jose" is the case.

ANAHEIM

1. Clippers don't get much support in LA, people say they should move to Anaheim

2. Owner ignores them because he enjoys LA

3. Anaheim's available for the Kings now

SAN JOSE

1. Warriors play in Oakland's old arena, people say they should move to San Jose

2. Owner ignores them because he has his sights set on San Francisco

3. San Jose might be available for the Hornets now?

Uhh Sterling turns a :censored:load of money from revenue from being a tenant at the Staples Center. So you're saying that if you run a pizza place that's turning a good profit, you should just move because there's a "better" pizza place right down the road? You should move somewhere that you know you won't make as much money just because of the other place? Yeah, not seeing your argument.

[The_Admiral]

Nobody other than Henry Samueli is really desirous of an NBA team in Anaheim, and Anaheim is already accounted for as part of Greater Los Angeles. With Oklahoma City, there were no strong pro basketball allegiances or coverage (I think they got a reduced schedule of Mavericks games and that was it?), and the city got really excited about temporarily hosting the Hornets. Now, of course, they should've kept those Hornets because putting them back in New Orleans has been an unmitigated disaster, to say nothing of Seattle being alienated. But with their 70-or-whatever-game trial run, they proved that their little hooterville really could get behind Thugs & Entourages after all (though I will note that this bunch of guys is not very menacing), and the Thunder have been, much to everyone else's chagrin, a huge success.

Now with Anaheim, they're already getting full slates of Lakers and Clippers games. For all the talk of fair-weather Los Angeles fans, these seem like the two toughest nuts in the NBA to crack. If you've been a Laker fan, and your dad has been a Laker fan, and you've made many pleasant memories as a result of being a Laker fan--one of the most notable being the vanquishing of the 2002 Sacramento Kings--it seems highly unlikely that you're going to take those memories, the pride, and the legacy, and throw it all away for the Kings because you live in Buena Park and it's a shorter drive to see the Kings. As for the Clippers, if you've been a Clipper fan and you haven't given up on those clods yet, you never will. Corporate support, other than a loan from the Ducks, is surely accounted for already. I'm sure the Lakers have gobbled up so much of that by now. Yes, there's so much money in the market that it could be split three ways, but how likely is it that it'll be split three ways? It's not like potential revenue sources have been twiddling their thumbs waiting for the Sacramento Kings to descend upon them, unless Vlade Divac started an airline or something.

The talk is that this is a good move because FSN West will be open for the Kings now with the Lakers getting billions of dollars to start Lakervision or whatever. Do you know why the Lakers are getting so much money to start Lakervision? Because everyfreakingbody in Greater LA and San Diego combined is going to be watching them. Them and not the Kings.

[The Imperfect]

Nobody other than Henry Samueli is really desirous of an NBA team in Anaheim, and Anaheim is already accounted for as part of Greater Los Angeles. With Oklahoma City, there were no strong pro basketball allegiances or coverage (I think they got a reduced schedule of Mavericks games and that was it?), and the city got really excited about temporarily hosting the Hornets. Now, of course, they should've kept those Hornets because putting them back in New Orleans has been an unmitigated disaster, to say nothing of Seattle being alienated. But with their 70-or-whatever-game trial run, they proved that their little hooterville really could get behind Thugs & Entourages after all (though I will note that this bunch of guys is not very menacing), and the Thunder have been, much to everyone else's chagrin, a huge success.

Now with Anaheim, they're already getting full slates of Lakers and Clippers games. For all the talk of fair-weather Los Angeles fans, these seem like the two toughest nuts in the NBA to crack. If you've been a Laker fan, and your dad has been a Laker fan, and you've made many pleasant memories as a result of being a Laker fan--one of the most notable being the vanquishing of the 2002 Sacramento Kings--it seems highly unlikely that you're going to take those memories, the pride, and the legacy, and throw it all away for the Kings because you live in Buena Park and it's a shorter drive to see the Kings. As for the Clippers, if you've been a Clipper fan and you haven't given up on those clods yet, you never will. Corporate support, other than a loan from the Ducks, is surely accounted for already. I'm sure the Lakers have gobbled up so much of that by now. Yes, there's so much money in the market that it could be split three ways, but how likely is it that it'll be split three ways? It's not like potential revenue sources have been twiddling their thumbs waiting for the Sacramento Kings to descend upon them, unless Vlade Divac started an airline or something.

The talk is that this is a good move because FSN West will be open for the Kings now with the Lakers getting billions of dollars to start Lakervision or whatever. Do you know why the Lakers are getting so much money to start Lakervision? Because everyfreakingbody in Greater LA and San Diego combined is going to be watching them. Them and not the Kings.

hahaha this is the truth right here nice post

[Lights Out]

Uhh Sterling turns a :censored:load of money from revenue from being a tenant at the Staples Center. So you're saying that if you run a pizza place that's turning a good profit, you should just move because there's a "better" pizza place right down the road? You should move somewhere that you know you won't make as much money just because of the other place? Yeah, not seeing your argument.

His argument is the usual "LOLOLOL CLIPERS SUK DEY SHUD MOVE" crap, I suspect.

[TFoA]

The only way the Clippers are ever gonna move is if it's to a new arena in the LA area, and even then, that seems like that's not gonna happen for at least a decade or two. That's a real cushy situation that they've got going on there, historically terrible on-court product notwithstanding.

I'm in the camp that a Kings move to Anaheim would make no sense for the Kings. If they think they're having attendance problems being the ONLY big league team in Sacramento, just imagine what's gonna happen if they have to battle two other teams for a fanbase. No way in hell that would be a permanent move If I had to guess, it'd probably be one of those deals where the team parks in a city for a couple of years until a better situation pops up somewhere else. So yeah, I really can't see Anaheim being a solution for the Kings, but it's probably inevitable that they're gonna go there.

Sorry if this point has been made multiple times already, I only read a couple of pages because I couldn't take the other side discussions.

[IceCap]

Louisville? St. Louis? Anything but Anaheim Teams from Anaheim just don't feel legit.

Yea, 2 teams in different sports winning championships within the last 10 years doesn't feel legit at all.

Anaheim teams are surrounded by people who have a ton of disposable income, in (or very close to) one of the top 5 largest media markets in the US and are surrounded by some of the most prized real estate in the world (not to mention that the weather is a dream compared to almost everywhere else in the world)

If you were an owner of ANY professional sports team, you'd be a fool not to take advantage of an opportunity to get into Anaheim.

The market already has two NBA teams. Thus why a NBA team in Anaheim "doesn't feel legit."

[Lights Out]

Not only that, but Anaheim also fiercely supports one of those teams (the Lakers, of course). The weather and disposable income might convince a franchise to move to Anaheim, but they will have a tough time convincing a fiercely Laker-partisan population to make the switch, even if they win in Anaheim.

Personally, I see the Anaheim Kings being another Rays-esque fiasco - a team who has few fans because most of the market is fiercely loyal to other teams, but can't be moved because of the vague possibility of the next generation rooting for them instead of their parents' teams.

[MadmanLA]

The only way the Clippers are ever gonna move is if it's to a new arena in the LA area, and even then, that seems like that's not gonna happen for at least a decade or two. That's a real cushy situation that they've got going on there, historically terrible on-court product notwithstanding.

I'm in the camp that a Kings move to Anaheim would make no sense for the Kings. If they think they're having attendance problems being the ONLY big league team in Sacramento, just imagine what's gonna happen if they have to battle two other teams for a fanbase. No way in hell that would be a permanent move If I had to guess, it'd probably be one of those deals where the team parks in a city for a couple of years until a better situation pops up somewhere else. So yeah, I really can't see Anaheim being a solution for the Kings, but it's probably inevitable that they're gonna go there.

Sorry if this point has been made multiple times already, I only read a couple of pages because I couldn't take the other side discussions.

Although it would NEVER happen anytime soon, if ever, I've been suggesting that the Clippers should move to the Forum in Inglewood. That, of course, would require a massive renovation to bring it to NBA standards. The Forum never had luxury suites, but had those club seats (about 1,000) and had a seating capacity of 17,505 for basketball; the NBA would require at least 18,000 seats or more, and Staples itself seats 19,060 for basketball. Location-wise, it works for the Clippers because the team's headquarters and training facility is approximately 15-20 minutes away from the Forum location (and I'm talking taking the surface streets). However, as someone who lives blocks away from the Forum, there isn't around the Forum neighborhood that would make it an year-round attraction like the L.A. Live complex; there's the Hollywood Park racetrack and casino, and unless they have races on-site, that place is usually dead any other time of the year. There's also two shopping centers built south of the Forum and Hollywood Park, but those have been around since after the Lakers and Kings left for Downtown years ago.

There isn't much public money, if any, to fund a Forum renovation; plus it's a privately-owned property to begin with. As much as Sterling likes to acquire real estate property, him hypothetically buying the Forum and renovating it to NBA standards would take potentially hundreds of millions, especially if you include building shops, restaurants, and other venues to make it a year-round destination (think Patriots Place in Foxborough). His short-sightedness won't probably make it worth his while. He'll continue to accept second-class status at Staples as long as he still owns the team (and he's still alive).

[bosrs1]

Not only that, but Anaheim also fiercely supports one of those teams (the Lakers, of course). The weather and disposable income might convince a franchise to move to Anaheim, but they will have a tough time convincing a fiercely Laker-partisan population to make the switch, even if they win in Anaheim.

Personally, I see the Anaheim Kings being another Rays-esque fiasco - a team who has few fans because most of the market is fiercely loyal to other teams, but can't be moved because of the vague possibility of the next generation rooting for them instead of their parents' teams.

Well fiasco or not according to John Ireland after talking with someone high up in the Kings organization it's already a done deal. The team and league are just waiting until the season ends to announce the move (to avoid empty Arco).

[tp49]

It should be blasted all over the fan blogs and should be front page in The Bee. I say if the Maloof's are going to do this then they should play to an empty arena for the rest of the season. It's not as though the product's been any good for the past few years. Sacramento has great fans (remember the consecutive sell out streak) but no corporate money and a government that's tapped out. The Maloof's weren't going to get an arena in the city unless they paid a significant portion of it which they either were unwilling ot unable to. I guess as they say...That's life.

[Eye]

Not only that, but Anaheim also fiercely supports one of those teams (the Lakers, of course). The weather and disposable income might convince a franchise to move to Anaheim, but they will have a tough time convincing a fiercely Laker-partisan population to make the switch, even if they win in Anaheim.

Personally, I see the Anaheim Kings being another Rays-esque fiasco - a team who has few fans because most of the market is fiercely loyal to other teams, but can't be moved because of the vague possibility of the next generation rooting for them instead of their parents' teams.

Well fiasco or not according to John Ireland after talking with someone high up in the Kings organization it's already a done deal. The team and league are just waiting until the season ends to announce the move (to avoid empty Arco).

This isn't news, but damn, sports really DOES bring out the worst in people.

[gingerbreadmann]

Not only that, but Anaheim also fiercely supports one of those teams (the Lakers, of course). The weather and disposable income might convince a franchise to move to Anaheim, but they will have a tough time convincing a fiercely Laker-partisan population to make the switch, even if they win in Anaheim.

Personally, I see the Anaheim Kings being another Rays-esque fiasco - a team who has few fans because most of the market is fiercely loyal to other teams, but can't be moved because of the vague possibility of the next generation rooting for them instead of their parents' teams.

Well fiasco or not according to John Ireland after talking with someone high up in the Kings organization it's already a done deal. The team and league are just waiting until the season ends to announce the move (to avoid empty Arco).

This isn't news, but damn, sports really DOES bring out the worst in people.

Would you not do the same?

[bosrs1]

Not only that, but Anaheim also fiercely supports one of those teams (the Lakers, of course). The weather and disposable income might convince a franchise to move to Anaheim, but they will have a tough time convincing a fiercely Laker-partisan population to make the switch, even if they win in Anaheim.

Personally, I see the Anaheim Kings being another Rays-esque fiasco - a team who has few fans because most of the market is fiercely loyal to other teams, but can't be moved because of the vague possibility of the next generation rooting for them instead of their parents' teams.

Well fiasco or not according to John Ireland after talking with someone high up in the Kings organization it's already a done deal. The team and league are just waiting until the season ends to announce the move (to avoid empty Arco).

This isn't news, but damn, sports really DOES bring out the worst in people.

Would you not do the same?

Hell I'm a Kings fan and it's what I would do. What do they gain by announcing now other than giving the Sac fans a little shred or respect... nothing. There is nothing for them to gain by announcing now, and a fair bit of money to lose. They're doing the smart if heartless thing. Guess it's time to find a new team however. Maybe the Clippers...

In other news if the vote hasn't already been held (which it's possible it already has been held), the Warriors won't be voting against getting the Kings out of NorCal. They're salivating at the prospect of getting back the Sacramento market they ceded to the Kings 26 years ago.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2011/03/05/if-kings-leave-warriors-could-gobble-up-sacramento-market/

[The_Admiral]

Yeah, they wouldn't have to black out W's games in Sacramento anymore. Bigger television audience, bill higher.

Interesting that the Trail Blazers, on the other hand, wanted to keep the Supersonics nearby. Though it was, after all, a 27-2 vote, and that could've been mere rabblerousing to ingratiate themselves with Seattle.

[The Six]

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