nash61 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Niklas Lidstrom missed the redline shot that destroyed Dan Cloutiers career?What if the Canucks never choked against Minnesota in 2003?What if bertuzzi never attempted to kill Steve Moore?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EUhGpQdEfs On September 20, 2012 at 0:50 AM, 'CS85 said: It's like watching the hellish undead creakily shuffling their way out of the flames of a liposuction clinic dumpster fire. On February 19, 2012 at 9:30 AM, 'pianoknight said: Story B: Red Wings go undefeated and score 100 goals in every game. They also beat a team comprised of Godzilla, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, 2 Power Rangers and Betty White. Oh, and they played in the middle of Iraq on a military base. In the sand. With no ice. Santa gave them special sand-skates that allowed them to play in shorts and t-shirts in 115 degree weather. Jesus, Zeus and Buddha watched from the sidelines and ate cotton candy. POTD 5/24/12, POTD 2/26/17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if the MLB had instant replay in 1997, and Jeter/Maier's HR was overturned?It would have been a year too late since the Maier home run game took place in 1996. "The MLB?" Anyway...Based on what we've seen so far, I don't think we can legally call this a sports thread. That aside, I have to admit that I'm enjoying the "when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" flavor of most of the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 i have one for a non stick and ball sport. what if anton "tony" hulman george not thrown a temper tantrum in houston in 1994? that one event probably changed motorsports worldwide, and that is not hyperbole:1. the ppg indycar world series was a motorsports monster. it raced in the indy 500. they beat nascar. they were challenging formula one worldwide, so much so that the fia declared that the series could not race on any road course track outside north america and australia (where they had a race and was still on the schedule). f1 drivers were coming to indycar because it was a better series. it was also during this time that the f1 drivers championship, indycar world championship and rookie of the year was held by one person at the same time (nigel mansell who lost the honors of world drivers champion a week later at the conclusion of the f1 season).2. tony wanted to essentially run all of indycar. the CART board of directors (who owned the indycar series) turned him down. in retaliation george not only announces starting a breakaway league, the indy racing league and stated that only the cars in his series would race in the 500, but he also announces that a nascar winston cup event would be held at indy.3. with a split north american open wheel series the fans suffer, the races suffer, the tv suffers, and one series suffers the most- the indycar world series which is now called CART due to legal threats by ims. the irl never gains (and still to this day never has) the public interest. the clear winners, nascar domestically and f1 internationally. the indy 500 tv ratings and attendance plummet.4. with the speedway burning millions of dollars in its efforts to kill CART the speedway suffers. in an attempt to generate more revenue, an infield road course is built for a formula one race. it lasts a few years, topped off by the embarassment of nearly the entire field withdrawing due to tire issues leaving 6 on track competitors.5. CART dies and its assets are bought by 3 team owners who keep the series sputtering along for 5 years before they sell out to the irl. but by that time north american open wheel racing is an afterthought, the indy 500 a shadow of its former self, and the indianapolis motor speedway because it poured money into the irl from its inception in 1996 and has not generated one penny in revenue is virtually on the auction block ready to be sold to the highest bidder.how's that for a butterfly effect. and yes i am a pissed off CART/champcar fan that it all went down the way it did.what if quebec city builds the nordiques a new arena, does the franchise win the cup in 1996?what if penn state joined the big east conference when it formed on the football side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Bill Buckner had been taken out of Game 6 of the 1986 World Series? Would the Sox win that series, would that take some of the steam out of the 2004 Sox run? 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahgee Posted July 19, 2011 Author Share Posted July 19, 2011 What's the point of this thread? I mean, I understand asking "what-if" questions but it's useless without any analysis whatsoever.Well it kinda got out of control, the people were supossed to answer some before they posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Meningocele Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What's the point of this thread? I mean, I understand asking "what-if" questions but it's useless without any analysis whatsoever.Well it kinda got out of control, the people were supossed to answer some before they posted.You didn't put that in your customary thread rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameroncrazie07 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Hockey What if the 05/06 Lockout never happened? Then it would have probably happened in 04/05. Just a guess.Or there would've been an NHL season in 05/06.You do know that the lockout was in 04/05, right?Yes. The Core 4 Sports Podcast Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What's the point of this thread? I mean, I understand asking "what-if" questions but it's useless without any analysis whatsoever.Well it kinda got out of control, the people were supossed to answer some before they posted.It's not a terrible idea...just difficult to execute. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Bill Buckner had been taken out of Game 6 of the 1986 World Series? Would the Sox win that series, would that take some of the steam out of the 2004 Sox run?No. It would have taken all the "steam" out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 2004 would have been as nice as the Wings 2002 Cup as the Cup win in 97 was the big deal.Also, was 2007 as big as 2004? PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Doctor Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Now for my one track mind...What if the Hamilton Tigers players never went on strike in 1925? (This one I might actually do in depth at some future date, including concept uniforms and logos.)What if the Colorado Rockies moved to Hamilton in 1981? (The point of divergence is that Jack McDonald is re-elected mayor in 1980)What if it was Hamilton that was one of the two expansion franchises awarded in 1991? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnythingChicago Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 MLB:What if the White Sox went to Tampa like originally planned?Would the Marlins, Rays, Diamondbacks, Rockies, three division system and wild card exist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Bill Buckner had been taken out of Game 6 of the 1986 World Series? Would the Sox win that series, would that take some of the steam out of the 2004 Sox run?No. It would have taken all the "steam" out of it.People might actually recognize the 2001 World Series as the best of the past decade if 2004 wasn't the end to the nauseating, media-hyped "curse" that spawned a legion of pink hatters and cemented the media's obsession with all things Boston. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 MLB:What if the White Sox Giants Twins Mariners went to Tampa like originally planned?Would the Marlins, Rays, Diamondbacks, Rockies, three division system and wild card exist?Probably. Expansion is inevitable.If Majkowski had taken one step to the right or left, instead of getting hurt, would we have been awed, impressed, annoyed with Brett Favre? If the Sonics didn't sign McIlvaine, would the OKC Thunder exist? "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Babe Ruth was never born, would the Yankee Fans still be Douche Bags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnythingChicago Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if Babe Ruth was never born, would the Yankee Fans still be Douche Bags?Yes. There is always money in New York, and there are always fair-weather fans that root for teams that pay a lot of money for their players.The Yankees-Red Sox rivalry might not have been so intense, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Baseball:What if the Expos never left Montreal?What if Selig never took the roll of Commissioner?What if the Red Sox didn't win the World Series in 2004 and 2007?Hockey:What if the WHA supplanted the NHL as the premier hockey league?What if a hockey-knowledgeable Owner and General Manager ran the Islanders?What if Ballsile purchased the Coyotes? Soccer:What if NASL didn't collapse in the 1980s?What if the USMNT could beat anyone?What if the USWNT won the 2011 Women's World Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 FootballWhat if the USFL and the NFL merged?This could be interesting. In 1985, two teams moved in early preparation of the move to the fall in 1986 in order not to be in the same market as established NFL teams-- the New Orleans Breakers to Portland, OR, and the Philadelphia Stars to Baltimore. For somewhat similar reasons (and for financial reasons), two other teams had "merged" -- the Michigan Panthers merged with the Oakland Invaders (remaining as the Oakland Invaders), and the Oklahoma Outlaws merged with the Arizona Wranglers (becoming the Arizona Outlaws). Following the 1985 season, this happened again-- the Denver Gold merged with the Jacksonville Bulls, and Trump bought the Houston Gamblers (including the contract of Jim Kelly) and merged them with his New Jersey Generals:However, some teams simply folded, as well-- the San Antonio Gunslingers, the Oakland Invaders, the Los Angeles Express, and the Portland Breakers. Both the Birmingham Stallions and Tampa Bay Bandits were on shaky ground in terms of ownership and financing. By the time of the anti-trust trial, there were only nine (9) franchises left, and the USFL had tentative plans to play with only 8 franchise in the fall (the Chicago franchise was going to remain on hiatus as they were in 1985). The league was set up thus: Independence Division Arizona Outlaws Jacksonville Bulls(merged with Denver Gold) Orlando Renegades Tampa Bay Bandits Liberty Division Baltimore Stars Birmingham Stallions Memphis Showboats New Jersey Generals(merged with Houston Gamblers) Chicago (franchise owned by Eddie Einhorn on hiatus)Now, as we all know, the jury in the case declared the NFL a "duly adjudicated illegal monopoly," and found that the NFL had willfully acquired and maintained monopoly status through predatory tactics. But, the jury awarded the USFL only one dollar in nominal damages, which was tripled under antitrust law to three dollars. It later emerged that the jury incorrectly assumed that the judge could increase the award.What if the jury did not rely on that incorrect assumption, and in fact decided to award the USFL a considerable amount of money, say something in the realm of $100-200 million, which then automatically trebled to $300-600 million? Let's say for arguments sake that happened. At that standpoint, rather than paying the damages directly to the USFL and allowing them (now flush with cash) to proceed on a fall schedule directly opposite the NFL, the NFL may have brokered a deal to allow a certain number of USFL teams into the league in lieu of paying the league the trebled fines. The New Orleans Saints were sold in 1985 for just over $70 million, so with that as a baseline franchise value, one could assume this could enable the horse-trading to begin. I would assume that not all of the nine remaining franchises would get in. Clearly, Tampa Bay and Birmingham, who were on shaky ground anyway, would be be offered financial compensation to fold (especially Tampa Bay, which would have gone head to head with the Buccaneers). Orlando probably would have been offered a similar deal due to the,m being a 4th Florida franchise and a relatively small market too close to Tampa Bay. Arizona, Memphis, and Jacksonville were new markets for the NFL and likely could have made the jump. Baltimore would be a replacement for the recently departed Colts. There was no way businessman Eddie Einhorn would be left out of the deal, so Chicago would get a second NFL franchise. And the NFL owners would have to swallow hard and let Trump's New Jersey Generals in as a third NY-area franchise. Of course the horse trading would include territorial infringements payments to the NY and Chicago franchises and other details, but it may have worked. Of course, this would have meant an immediate 6 team expansion of the NFL to an unwieldy 34 teams. At the time, the NFL had six divisions, so a quick fix for the first season would probably have been to assign one team to each division as such:AFC:EastBuffalo BillsNY JetsNew England PatriotsMiami DolphinsIndianapolis ColtsBaltimore StarsCentralCleveland BrownsPittsburgh SteelersCincinnati BengalsHouston OilersChicago (Blitz)West LA RaidersSeattle SeahawksDenver BroncosSan Diego ChargersKansas City ChiefsMemphis ShowboatsNFCEastWashington RedskinsPhiladelphia EaglesNY GiantsDallas CowboysSt. Louis CardinalsNew Jersey GeneralsCentralMinnesota VikingsChicago BearsGreen Bay PackersDetroit LionsTampa Bay BuccaneersJacksonville BullsWestSan Francisco 49ersLA RamsAtlanta FalconsNew Orleans SaintsArizona OutlawsOver time, the league may have been reconfigured to a 4 division set up with a 4-4-4-5 set up in each conference, but that's another story.What would this have entailed over time? Chronologically, this:1. St. Louis Cardinals would not have moved to Arizona. Eventually, they may have threatened to move to--- Charlotte.2. Jim Kelly doesn't play for the Bills; they do not go to 4 Super Bowls. 3. The expansion of 1995 does not occur. This may be the time frame when the Cardinals (if they never get a stadium) move to Charlotte.4. The Raiders likely move back to Oakland, but the Rams move to St.Louis is much more unlikely. 5. The Browns do not move to Baltimore to become the Ravens, and are not replaced with an expansion/replacement franchise.6. With a team in Tennessee, the Oilers are unlikely to move to Nashville. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What if the Red Sox didn't win the World Series in 2004 and 2007?Then we would still hear their fans crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintsfan Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 What's the point of this thread? I mean, I understand asking "what-if" questions but it's useless without any analysis whatsoever.Well it kinda got out of control, the people were supossed to answer some before they posted.It's not a terrible idea...just difficult to execute.In all fairness, this thread is like most counterfactual history. More questions than answers. Doesn't stop it being interesting though. 2011/12 WFL Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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