DG_ThenNowForever Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rockstar Matt said: LeBron is the closest to Jordan though. He's the only one who has an argument when comparing him to Jordan. If you're from Boston or an old guy, you'll say Bill Russell is #2. Bill Simmons sure does. But regular people know that it's a lot easier to win 100 championships in a row when the league is only 8 teams; ask the Maple Leafs. If you're in your 40s, you probably put Kareem at #2, and that's probably fair. Kareem was a cheat code like Wilt Chamberlain, except he actually won a bazillion titles. I mean, look at this! 6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988) 2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985) 6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980) 19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989) 10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986) 5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1985) 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1974, 1975, 1979–1981) 6× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1970, 1971, 1976–1978, 1984) NBA Rookie of the Year (1970) 2× NBA scoring champion (1971, 1972) 4× NBA blocks leader (1975, 1976, 1979, 1980) NBA rebounding champion (1976) No. 33 retired by Milwaukee Bucks No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team 3× NCAA champion (1967–1969) 3× NCAA Final Four Most Outstanding Player (1967–1969) 3× National college player of the year (1967–1969) 3× Consensus first-team All-American (1967–1969) No. 33 retired by UCLA LeBron benefits from recency bias, but I also think no player has operated under the microscope like he has, and has had as squeaky clean and scandal-free a career. And done more with less. My top 5 is Jordan a clear #1, followed by Kareem/LeBron, and then Magic and probably Bill Russell. But there are several options at 5 and a bunch for 6-10. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWhiz96 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 31 minutes ago, Kaz said: Unpopular opinion, especially for a Celtics fan, but my top 5 is Jordan, Wilt, LeBron, Kareem, Magic, with Bird and Russell probably next but outside of the top 5. Wilt gets a lot of heat for only winning two titles, but he was LeBron before LeBron, and usually had a worse supporting cast than post-decision LeBron has had. Wilt gets a lot of heat for repeatedly losing to the Celtics and then bolting for LA the first chance he got. We also have to remember that he broke the C's streak of 9 straight titles in 1967 when he was basically the only superstar on that Sixers team. He also helped get Jerry West over the hump for his title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 10 hours ago, ozzyman314 said: Is that why he has a 3-5 record in The Finals? 3-4 and yes, because again, the Spurs with the old guys who will be in the hall of fame not being so old. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 hours ago, ozzyman314 said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711630-tyronn-lue-says-celtics-offense-harder-than-warriors-to-defend-for-cavaliers Food for thought. Welcome to Gamesmanship 101 Tawwmmy. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 hours ago, ozzyman314 said: Rather than spend the day going around in circles, let's agree to disagree. Regardless, I'm ecstatic at what this Celtics team has been able to accomplish, and I do believe they have a bright future ahead of them. I guess we'll just have to wait & see. But as KG said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 hours ago, ozzyman314 said: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711630-tyronn-lue-says-celtics-offense-harder-than-warriors-to-defend-for-cavaliers Food for thought. Lol, cool story, Tyronn. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I'll always wonder if Jordan hadn't taken his sabbatical would the Bulls have won in 94 and 95 leading to the wins from 96-98. Possibly 8 straight titles or would playoff fatigue have gotten to Jordan and the rest of the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchaoss Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I'd have to imagine the fatigue would take over I still think they make the finals but the Rockets seem like they would be a mismatch i do believe they had a winning record vs Chicago plus plus Hakeem is too great a player to not end up with at least one title. I think we would end up with pretty much the same champions throughout the 90s. Kershaw is GOD! Kershaw is LIFE! Kershaw is ALL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Wings said: I'll always wonder if Jordan hadn't taken his sabbatical would the Bulls have won in 94 and 95 leading to the wins from 96-98. Possibly 8 straight titles or would playoff fatigue have gotten to Jordan and the rest of the Bulls. Jordan played in the 1995 Playoffs. The Bulls lost to the Magic in six in the second round. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 15 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: It definitely doesn't have quite the heft it used to. Had they not pulled off the win last year vs the Warriors, it probably would still hit pretty hard because his only two titles would've been with the Miami SuperFriends, and he would've been 0-3 without Cleveland. Now though? It's just one of those classicly go to Lebron knocks that missed an update somewhere along the line. Even if they get torched this season (which I think they will), it still won't change that. 3-5 is still better than 2-6. I remember in 2014/2015 I was cool with the Pats making the Superb Owl because Brady being .500 was such a good knock. We all saw how that turned out (:censored:ing Seahawks and Falcons) and he's back to being God like again. To say "he's only 3-5 in the finals" is still saying he's been to the finals 8 times. I don't care how weak the eastern conference has been in this stretch or that 4 of those were on the stacked as hell Heat going to the finals 8 times in 14 years is incredible. He's about to reach his 7th straight finals too and nobody's done that since like Bill Russell and that was back when there were like 9 teams and maybe 3 of them were trying. I think the Cavs are gonna get smoked, but I think it's unfair to hang the upcoming loss on him. Also, him dragging the 07 Cavs to the finals counts as one of those finals losses and that's unfair because that team might be the worst collection of talent to reach an NBA final. I watched a lot of those games because I was in school with 10,000 people from Cleveland and if Lebron's not on that team they wouldn't have won 20 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 7 minutes ago, DG_Now said: Jordan played in the 1995 Playoffs. The Bulls lost to the Magic in six in the second round. I feel like they could've beaten the Knicks and Rockets in 94 with Jordan, but that would've been their hardest test out of the Lakers, Blazers, Suns finals. 95 is hard to say because he wasn't fully back in basketball shape for those playoffs. If he never leaves to play baseball he's probably better in that series, but better enough to beat Shaq, Penny, Horace, etc? Who knows. The other what if is he never leaves does Horace Grant still sign with the Magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilChameleon Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Question for the Warriors fans here... Would you rather sweep the Cavaliers in 4 games, or have the Cavaliers blow a 3-1 lead to the Celtics? Cleveland sports for life!"Laugh hard. Run fast. Be kind." -The Doctor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Oh no, screw that. I want the Warriors to absolutely obliterate the Cavs. I don't want there to be even the slightest shadow of a doubt as to who's the better team after this. Their average margin of victory this post season is like 21.5 points. I'd love to see that actually go up after this series. Also, that would make them 16-0. It'd be MUCH more satisfying to close out the series with your "typical" (as in absolutely killing the Cavs like they've done to everyone else) Warriors team. Forget that 3-1 crap. My heart couldn't take that. And, whatevs. Cubs kinda already paid Cleveland back for that one anyway. It's overrated. Also, I kinda get this feeling that's going to be exactly what happens. 2014 was rough for Lebron. 2017 may be worse. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Look at that 06-07 Cavs roster. How can anybody hold losing in the Finals that year against Lebron when just carrying that to the Finals was an amazing feat? They played a 34 year old Eric Snow 20+ minutes a game for goodness sake. Another thing I don't get is the argument that Lebron wouldn't be as good if he played in the early 90's. Yeah, the league was more physical and there was more grabbing and hand-checking was allowed, but Lebron's also 250 pounds -- he has 30 pounds on Jordan, I believe. Besides that, NBA defenses in the the 90's were very basic because of the league rules. How the hell would you stop him? You couldn't double off of the ball or else it was an illegal defense, so your options would basically be to man him up and hope your guy could grab him enough to keep him from the rim or double team him and hope he doesn't find the open man, which he certainly would. Good luck! For all the modern NBA players get for not playing defense, the great defenses of the 80's and 90's are, statistically, about middle of the road in the league today. Oh, and as I recall, Jordan said he wouldn't have had the career he did if zone defenses were allowed when he played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 What was that about the Celtics being the East's best shot at toppling the Cavaliers? Game 5 already looks like shades of Game 2. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Maybe LeBron really was sick in game 3. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnclearInitial Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 On 5/25/2017 at 1:20 AM, JWhiz96 said: A Celtics homer? Let me extend a warm welcome to these boards As to your points, I do believe that the C's have the best opportunity to take down LBJ in the coming years; however, I only give them something like a 3% to actually do it. LeBron is coming off his best season and until game 3 of the ECF has shown no signs of slowing down (in all honesty, game 3 was more than likely an aberration). It will be very difficult to take down the Cavs unless LBJ pulls a Jordan and retires. The Bucks have a nice opportunity to rise, but they need players like Jabari Parker to step up. Even before the injury, he had improved but not to that sharpshooting 2-guard necessary to compliment Antetokunmpo. They should be better next year and their size might give the Cavs some resistance, but the latter simply have too many weapons. The Wiz have no shot. Wall is a superstar, Beal is a knockdown shooter, and Morris and Porter are good in their roles, but they lack a bench. There's no way they'll last 7 against the Cavs with amateurs playing backup minutes. It's a hell of a lot easier to get supporting casts for players right on the cusp of superstardom like Giannis and Wall than to get a superstar to play with a great supporting cast. And in the NBA it's practically impossible to win if you don't have a Potential top 5 player . Maybe Fultz develops into that player, maybe not. But point guards rarely mature to superstar level before 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 The last PG to come into the NBA and make an immediate impact was Damian Lillard back in 2012. EDIT: The Cavs are really blowing the barn door off the Celtics. The Warriors haven't played a team as good as the Cavs in a while. Certainly not in the playoffs. I think the Warriors should be favored based on their record, but they haven't faced a team playing as well as Cleveland currently is. I think the key difference isn't talent but home court advantage. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 LeBron is too good. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Thought 109-74 was the final score. Its just the end of the 3rd. WOW BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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