NFL 2023 Changes

[bushy]

1 hour ago, Cujo said:

 

You mean do stuff like this, which is 100000x inferior to just doing true throwbacks? 

 

Those are super clean. That with the current logo on the helmet.

[ruttep]

1 hour ago, Cujo said:

 

 

Gross.

[throwuascenario]

On 9/25/2023 at 1:43 PM, Cujo said:

 

Agreed. The Broncos are more than welcome to wear 80s gear 3x a year in alternate form. They work great as throwbacks, but I don't care to see them 16 times a year forever and ever. And to bail on the current look when it carries such a CHAMPIONSHIP tradition for a team who was in the same sentence as the Minnesota Vikings and Buffalo Bills pre-cyberhorse.

 

If the Broncos were to modify their look (since it seems like ownership is kicking the tires on the idea), a Cyberhorse/throwback hybrid would be acceptable, I suppose.

 

 

Literally this but change the blue to their old blue and you have what should be their forever look.

[Ark]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:07 PM, ManillaToad said:

No need to imagine, it was reality

 

 

On 9/25/2023 at 9:52 AM, plastictaxicab said:

 

 

The darker helmet is better.

[Carolingian Steamroller]

5 hours ago, tBBP said:

Wellp, the plot thickens...

 

I'm not sure whether this should go here or in the SiG forum, I definitely ain't finna start a new thread on this, and mods can feel free to MOD EDIT this completely out of the conversation, BUTTT...the Washington former Football Team formerly known as the R-words name and identity plot drama just took on yet another level of uh-oh.

 

Just a little bit of a snippet:

 

 

(Spoiler alert: George Soros' name pops up in this drama.)

 

Now, I will say this, having traveled all lower 48 states and 49 of 50 and having seen/known this myself with my own eyes/experience: there were and are plenty of tribes in the upper midwest, mainly in North Dakota,  Oklahoma, and Montana, who embraced the former Chief  White Calf-inspired logo, just based on that fact that a/ I saw some indigenous wearing the merch and b/me asking them about it. (Shoot, somewhere in I believe Oklahoma was a Native hihh school whose athletic nickname was, in fact, the R—well, that.) That said, support/dissent of the name/identity varied from tribe to tribe, and sometimes even within tribes/Native ingroups, as evidenced by the number of Lakota who nearly chewed my head off for me daring to wear my Florida State Chief Osceola hoodie my first few times traveling/working and eventually living up in South Dakota...which just about all of them thought was the Washington Re—well, them, until I explained it was for Florida State. Didn't make a difference to many, which is why I eventually quit wearing anything Chief Osceola-related up there out of respect to them, once I heard and understood their perspective on the Re—umm, that controversy. 

 

That said, obviously as is reported in the link above, there's always been dissenting views of the controversy, and the story should also serve as further evidence that no one body speaks nor should try to speak/spin the narrative for an entirely of a particular population—and that "special interest politics" abound even amongst the Indigenous peoples of this nation (then again that's also been going on since even before the confederation became a "nation". Anyway, so there's another perspective out there is all, and coupled with Harris' reported abhorrence of the current Commanders identity, perhaps this may further fuel the flames of change in DC??

Dissenting fine but this is crack pottery and flim flamery. 

Kerry Byrne, the author, made this same goofy appeal to Tamanend 9 YEARS AGO while a contributor to the Boston Herald.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2014/06/25/byrne-(Commanders)-a-tribute-to-popular-chief/

It was bizarre then and it's bizarre now especially because of what happened to Tamanend's Leni Lenape tribe shortly after his passing (spoiler: it was not pretty).

There's more to say on this, especially given original owner George Preston Marshall's opinion on other topics, but there's very little credence to be given to a guy who blames an obvious and long overdue move on George Soros.

[tBBP]

Just so everyone understands my position on this: by sharing the story I found, I'm not advocating one way or the other as to what WFT, NAGA, NCAI or anyone else should do; none of that is my fight. What I shared of my own experiences was just that: my own experiences, just to add some additional perspective beyond the media narrative from my experiences on the ground. Draw from those whatever one wishes to add to their own perspectives, but that's about where it ends with me. So there...that's what it is.

[Carolingian Steamroller]

2 hours ago, tBBP said:

Just so everyone understands my position on this: by sharing the story I found, I'm not advocating one way or the other as to what WFT, NAGA, NCAI or anyone else should do; none of that is my fight. What I shared of my own experiences was just that: my own experiences, just to add some additional perspective beyond the media narrative from my experiences on the ground. Draw from those whatever one wishes to add to their own perspectives, but that's about where it ends with me. So there...that's what it is.

I get that and it’s been known for a long time that the Indigenous community has a diversity of opinions which your experiences reflect. There are complicated feelings and I like hearing stories about that. I found your first hand accounts very intriguing.

Kerry Byrne, however, ain’t part of that conversation. He’s been on this same thing for close to a decade with the same quack talking points. So there is a conversation, but recognize when a guy is trying to pull a fast one. 

[Old School Fool]

As a Native American I personally really liked the Commanders old uniforms and logo but I did not like the name.

 

I don't mind the Commanders name but the branding is awful. They really should have just kept the old uniforms and put the W on the helmet. That is all that really needed to be done.

 

Just look at this garbage. An otherwise great helmet is ruined by this goofy uniform.

 

 

[The_Admiral]

Crazy to think that this hideous uniform is directly downstream of the death of George Floyd and millions of infectious disease deaths. They made this possible. Couldn't have done it without you guys.

[Cujo]

1 minute ago, the admiral said:

Crazy to think that this hideous uniform is directly downstream of the death of George Floyd and millions of infectious disease deaths. They made this possible. Couldn't have done it without you guys.

 

You're not wrong. Tho it was coming, as many media outlets, announcers, etc were calling them just "Washington" a decade prior.

[The_Admiral]

Right, which is why the old name won't come back. The media class simply won't use it. The CBC won't even say "Blackhawks." (But as we found out this week, the CBC will say other interesting things.) Still, I never thought the issue was anything a giant sum of money wouldn't fix. And I think that in ordinary times, it probably would have.

 

I'm guessing they'll go with one of the Red_____ names bandied about and a return to a familiar burgundy-and-gold setup.

[Chromatic]

15 minutes ago, Old School Fool said:

As a Native American I personally really liked the Commanders old uniforms and logo but I did not like the name.

 

I don't mind the Commanders name but the branding is awful. They really should have just kept the old uniforms and put the W on the helmet. That is all that really needed to be done.

 

Just look at this garbage. An otherwise great helmet is ruined by this goofy uniform.

 

 

I actually quite liked the numbers on the helmet.  I would prefer those over the weird origami W. 

[Carolingian Steamroller]

Let's be honest.

The uniform and the delay in changing the name are both tied to one guy and it ain't George Floyd.

[PurpleHayes]

17 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

I'm guessing they'll go with one of the Red_____ names bandied about and a return to a familiar burgundy-and-gold setup.

 Redwolves was the clear winner in the fan "polls" but it didn't matter because Snyder already decided on the name almost two years before...the poll was just a sham to make fans think Snyder cared what they thought.

 

Plus, he let his wife design the uni uniforms...

[FiddySicks]

12 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

All of this back-and-forth about bringing back the name (never happening) could have been avoided if that dumbass Snyder just chose a good name and uniform to replace it

They kinda had it right with the first changes they made. The uniform itself was still one of the best in the league. All they us to do was remove the logo and change it to a W or something (hopefully something better than that, but even that would’ve been fine). I get the whole “separate from the bad wholly” mentality, but what we got still didn’t really do that and is bad. 

[Lights Out]

1 hour ago, Old School Fool said:

Just look at this garbage. An otherwise great helmet is ruined by this goofy uniform.

 

 

 

I swear, that uniform reminds me of this.

 

 

It's as if Snyder was specifically looking for what was hip in college football a decade ago. Out of touch doesn't even begin to describe it.

[TalktoChuck]

7 minutes ago, Lights Out said:

 

 

Damn, I miss Russell's college football uniforms.

[ssj_homeslice]

1 hour ago, TalktoChuck said:

 

Damn, I miss Russell's college football uniforms.

I miss them if only because it reminds me of an era of college football that is no longer with us. In terms of aesthetics, I couldn't be happier to see them gone. 

[DCarp1231]

Oh, so we’re back to the ol’ Redwolves conversations again

[Brave-Bird 08]

10 hours ago, Lights Out said:

 

I swear, that uniform reminds me of this.

 

 

It's as if Snyder was specifically looking for what was hip in college football a decade ago. Out of touch doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

ok no, these are the worst CFB uniforms of all time. I forgot about these.