Morgan33 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 This might belong in the unpopular opinions thread, I'm not sure. But in my opinion there was no reason to change either of these things... They got it right the first time and everything since has been a downgrade, starting with the decision to promote the navy alternate to primary status. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Morgan33 said: This might belong in the unpopular opinions thread, I'm not sure. But in my opinion there was no reason to change either of these things... They got it right the first time and everything since has been a downgrade, starting with the decision to promote the navy alternate to primary status. I'm inclined to agree with you...to a point. I DEFINITELY agree with you about the leaping panther. I feel the basic essence of that could have been updated more in the artistic style of the current (read: less detailed, more refined)—which is pretty much exactly what they did with their 30th anniversary logo. I don't dislike their current primary crest; I'd have preferred one more like the above. Secondly, the tawny brown definitely adds something that the former yellow did not, but least among which is of course the fact that a number of the panthers found in Florida are that color (or close to it)—although the tradeoff is losing the "brightness" of the sun. Eh...design considerations. Where my point stops, however, is with the sweaters themselves. I do agree that the triangular yoke could have become a staple feature of their look (along the triangular shape of the leaping panther). That said, something about triangular yokes and normal horizontal stripe never has seemed "right" to me—but that's also relatively minor. The big thing to me dealt with the backs of those jerseys—especially the white ones—and in going back to the Year of the Rat and working back up, it really jumped out at me how Walmart-esque they looked: Now they eventually tightened that up by the turn of the century, but for some reason they kept the offset outlines on the white sweaters, which didn't help the "cheap-ish" look at all: (That was a good-looking sweater) (Those...not so much.) That said, that era also gave us one of my favorite (and I believe one of the best) third jerseys/alternate uniforms ever in life: Look at that...simply gorgeous. Now, with all that said, even though I feel the Panthers may have overdone it with the 101st Airborne branding direction, I'll give them credit for at least jumping in with both feet and really owning it. It did create some rather unique cues in NHL aesthetics that as of right now only they can claim, chief among them being the shoulder-mounted TV numbers, but then also their unique way of designating their captain and alternates via the "ranger tabs" above their sleeve patches. I also really like, clever as it is, how the scripts switch between FLORIDA and PANTHERS depending on placement on the jersey itself and between home and away jerseys. I actually REALLY like their current look, but the one part I don't care for is how that broad stripe doesn't wrap around the back. (To be sure, I can't stand that on soccer jerseys, either, though I understand the reason for it.) I do wonder how different the white sweaters would look with red numbers in place of navy... though I'm sure that choice for better legibility. But with all that's rolled into this look I don't know that there's a more cohesive(ly complex yet streamlined!) brand, top to bottom, in the NHL right now than this one. (And now we may all dig ourselves out of the weeds on this one...lol.) 7 1 Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuicedSportsNow Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, tBBP said: I'm inclined to agree with you...to a point. I DEFINITELY agree with you about the leaping panther. I feel the basic essence of that could have been updated more in the artistic style of the current (read: less detailed, more refined)—which is pretty much exactly what they did with their 30th anniversary logo. I don't dislike their current primary crest; I'd have preferred one more like the above. Secondly, the tawny brown definitely adds something that the former yellow did not, but least among which is of course the fact that a number of the panthers found in Florida are that color (or close to it)—although the tradeoff is losing the "brightness" of the sun. Eh...design considerations. Where my point stops, however, is with the sweaters themselves. I do agree that the triangular yoke could have become a staple feature of their look (along the triangular shape of the leaping panther). That said, something about triangular yokes and normal horizontal stripe never has seemed "right" to me—but that's also relatively minor. The big thing to me dealt with the backs of those jerseys—especially the white ones—and in going back to the Year of the Rat and working back up, it really jumped out at me how Walmart-esque they looked: Now they eventually tightened that up by the turn of the century, but for some reason they kept the offset outlines on the white sweaters, which didn't help the "cheap-ish" look at all: (That was a good-looking sweater) (Those...not so much.) That said, that era also gave us one of my favorite (and I believe one of the best) third jerseys/alternate uniforms ever in life: Look at that...simply gorgeous. Now, with all that said, even though I feel the Panthers may have overdone it with the 101st Airborne branding direction, I'll give them credit for at least jumping in with both feet and really owning it. It did create some rather unique cues in NHL aesthetics that as of right now only they can claim, chief among them being the shoulder-mounted TV numbers, but then also their unique way of designating their captain and alternates via the "ranger tabs" above their sleeve patches. I also really like, clever as it is, how the scripts switch between FLORIDA and PANTHERS depending on placement on the jersey itself and between home and away jerseys. I actually REALLY like their current look, but the one part I don't care for is how that broad stripe doesn't wrap around the back. (To be sure, I can't stand that on soccer jerseys, either, though I understand the reason for it.) I do wonder how different the white sweaters would look with red numbers in place of navy... though I'm sure that choice for better legibility. But with all that's rolled into this look I don't know that there's a more cohesive(ly complex yet streamlined!) brand, top to bottom, in the NHL right now than this one. (And now we may all dig ourselves out of the weeds on this one...lol.) This was awesomely thorough. As a Panthers fan since the 90s I appreciate the depth you went into and then realized you're a Knights fan, which certainly surprised me. Congrats on the Cup. I agree that the system is surprisingly layered and complex while looking simple and I appreciate how the Panthers have a more polished color scheme. I do think eventually they'll throw the modernized cat on the jersey, but I also sense they're wary of it being more popular than the shield and are trying not to reignite that discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurdBranding Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I don't know if it is unpopular or not, but I feel like the Panthers have never had a bad look. The closest they came to bad would be with the unnecessary piping on their jerseys between 2007 and 2011, but even that was a result of Reebok having fun finding ways to mess up every team in the league. I much prefer their original jerseys and logo, but their current set is a somewhat close second. The only problem with their current look is the fat sock stripes that stick out like a sore thumb. Seriously, the primary color of this sock is far closer to white than it should be. I get that it is the same thickness as the stripe on the jersey, but I feel like the sock stripe's thickness should be based on the stripe to arm ratio of the jersey, if that makes sense. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTConcepts Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Am I the only one who thinks the Panthers' current look is the best one they've had? 10 3 Quote "You ain't gonna learn what you don't wanna know..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 This is almost certainly generalizing, but I have to think that whether you like or dislike the current Panthers uniforms is in proportion to how much you like or dislike their attempt at military cosplay. 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 4 hours ago, gosioux76 said: This is almost certainly generalizing, but I have to think that whether you like or dislike the current Panthers uniforms is in proportion to how much you like or dislike their attempt at military cosplay. I think that's a fair point to consider. Having said that, I find myself in the unique position of really liking the overall brand identity despite the overdone military cosplay, so I don't know what that says about me, a former soldier. 2 Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Morgan33 said: there was no reason to change either of these things... There was. The Reebok Edge debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Survival79 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 On 7/30/2023 at 4:37 PM, Survival79 said: If only it were that simple. The feet on this panther are a :censored:ing travesty. 13 hours ago, andrewharrington said: I dunno. Adding a bunch of detail back there doesn’t seem right, either. I didn't think that the old feet were all that bad. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin W. Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 9 hours ago, DTConcepts said: Am I the only one who thinks the Panthers' current look is the best one they've had? No, you're not. I agree with you. 1 Quote Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (CHL - 2018 Orr Cup Champions) Chicago Rivermen (UBA/WBL - 2014, 2015, 2017 Intercontinental Cup Champions) King's Own Hexham FC (BIP - 2022 Saint's Cup Champions) Portland Explorers (EFL - Elite Bowl XIX Champions) Real San Diego (UPL) Red Bull Seattle (ULL - 2018, 2019, 2020 Gait Cup Champions) Vancouver Huskies (CL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Survival79 said: I didn't think that the old feet were all that bad. As long as we're scrutinizing this with a fine-toothed comb, the bigger issue is that tail...why does it come out of one of the legs? To be real, though, this may be one instance where the tail may not even be necessary; if it wasn't there, would anyone notice considering the forward-leaping perspective? Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingjai Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 1 hour ago, tBBP said: As long as we're scrutinizing this with a fine-toothed comb, the bigger issue is that tail...why does it come out of one of the legs? To be real, though, this may be one instance where the tail may not even be necessary; if it wasn't there, would anyone notice considering the forward-leaping perspective? I assume they’re trying to avoid this phenomena: 9 Quote Visit my store on REDBUBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logo-maker Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I think the current Panthers uniforms would be improved by switching the placement of the numbers and insignia (i.e having the insignia on the shoulders and the numbers on the sleeves). I wish they would also add consistency by making the sleeve cuffs navy to match the hem stripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echo Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Survival79 said: I didn't think that the old feet were all that bad. The one on the right looks like it was drawn by Rob Liefeld. At least the feet. (Could probably use a few pouches) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridleylash Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 We have hat leaks for the Knights and Kraken Winter Classic; 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikWings Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 On 7/31/2023 at 1:14 PM, Morgan33 said: This might belong in the unpopular opinions thread, I'm not sure. But in my opinion there was no reason to change either of these things... They got it right the first time and everything since has been a downgrade, starting with the decision to promote the navy alternate to primary status. I liked this logo so much as a kid that I had a pillow with it on it and I'm not a Panthers fan and even though there were still a few other logos I liked more (Red Wings, Whalers, Mighty Ducks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttep Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Ridleylash said: We have hat leaks for the Knights and Kraken Winter Classic; I am glad that the Kraken seem to be trying to be creative here rather than completely ripping off the Seattle Metropolitans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan33 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 On 7/31/2023 at 2:24 PM, DTConcepts said: Am I the only one who thinks the Panthers' current look is the best one they've had? Judging from the amount of Likes your comment got, far from it. I don't share that opinion and here's why... My biggest gripe with the Panthers new look is that they replaced a logo with a wholly unique visual style that was charming & fun with something overtly corporate and arguably bland... Not unlike what the Penguins did in 1992, except that change at least retained the basic idea of the original (penguin in a triangle) and contained a clever civic reference to the Three Rivers. The new Panthers logo is contained in a generic shield that is more evocative of MLS than NHL, with the civic part spelled out. Beyond the logo, the jerseys don't fare much better... The way the overtly thick sleeve-stripes coalesce with the chest stripe makes the design look claustrophobic & cluttered. And I've never seen a design with a more confusing & unbalanced colour hierarchy. On the logo it's Navy > Gold > Red and on the sweater it's Red > Gold > Navy. To me, the colours on the original jerseys look significantly better balanced and there's no confusion about the hierarchy of Red > Navy > Yellow > Gold. Lastly, the new shade of gold just looks so drab compared to the bright yellow used on the originals. As their wildly popular Reverse Retro design proved: bright, vivid colours scream Florida. The perfect Panthers set, IMO, would be the jerseys on the left with the recent Reverse Retro as a full-time alternate. They could lose the double-outline on the road numbers as advocated by @tBBP but besides that, I wouldn't change a thing. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacat_12 Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 14 hours ago, Ridleylash said: We have hat leaks for the Knights and Kraken Winter Classic; While they aren't going full Metropolitans, I'm still hoping they use barberpole striping on the jerseys. *EDIT: I just realized that the Vegas logo is two swords forming the V 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenatorJake Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 The Florida Panthers and the Seattle Metropolitains. Two teams that got it right the first time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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