2024-25 NHL Changes

[Sport]

1 minute ago, BBTV said:

 

 

 

I'm not as anti-all-orange as you are, but this image certainly makes it look awful.  Looks like bright-orange Cooperalls.

 

 

I'm of the mindset that all mono-hockey uniforms are awful and that's one of many reasons why they should be road unis rather than home.  I think these deserve a chance, but I'd bet they're wearing black pants (breaking my "helmet matches the pants" rule) before the all-star game.

 

My prediction upthread was black pants within three years, but would welcome them earlier if it happens. I know from connections in the Columbus hockey community that the Blue Jackets players hate the red pants (I think they were the driving force behind the now full time blue road pants) - Can't imagine the Ducks players are thrilled about wearing this all-orange getup. I also know from watching the Blue Jackets in red pants the last 24 years is that brighter colored breezers show puck marks, wetness, and wear more visibly than dark pants. It's also harder to color match light color jerseys with light color pants. 

 

If they flipped the socks around so the black was at the top then it wouldn't look so bad, but there's no separation between pants and sock so it's like they're wearing orange capris. They sort of look like a video game create-a-team uniform made real. 

 

 

[BBTV]

4 minutes ago, Sport said:

 

My prediction upthread was black pants within three years, but would welcome them earlier if it happens. I know from connections in the Columbus hockey community that the Blue Jackets players hate the red pants (I think they were the driving force behind the now full time blue road pants) - Can't imagine the Ducks players are thrilled about wearing this all-orange getup. I also know from watching the Blue Jackets in red pants the last 24 years is that brighter colored breezers show puck marks, wetness, and wear more visibly than dark pants. It's also harder to color match light color jerseys with light color pants. 

 

If they flipped the socks around so the black was at the top then it wouldn't look so bad, but there's no separation between pants and sock so it's like they're wearing orange capris. They sort of look like a video game create-a-team uniform made real. 

 

 

 

I don't think that perfect color matching is necessary (if they flip the socks like you suggest) because the other orange parts would be separated enough from the pants that it wouldn't look as bad as the mismatched grays that baseball has been dealing with (which I honestly don't even notice whether live or on TV.)

But if the players really hate it, I'd expect it to be changed much sooner than later.  I don't watch enough to know the CBJ situation, but just visualizing it, it seems like more of a simple preference than a "we look like fools" kinda thing.  There's a chance this all-orange thing ends up working and they appreciate being unique... but there's a chance they feel they look like fools and rebel.

But if they're sticking with orange, then the socks should definitely be changed.

[Sec19Row53]

11 hours ago, Morgan33 said:

 

Because the logo would look awful without it? 

 

5 hours ago, dont care said:

Because triangles are a traditional part of hockey crests. See penguins

One occurrence doesn't make a tradition. If that's what we're gonna cite, then I can name plenty with no triangle or other geometric figure acting as a part of the crest.

 

It's already mounted on a hockey puck -- why does it need a triangle as well, which only serves (IMO) to make it look like it's mounted on a wall with other trophies?

[VancouverFan69]

17 hours ago, wildwing64 said:

 

I'm absolutely LOVING the Ducks' all-orange look. Colourful but simple. 

Unfortunately, lots of ridicule towards the orange pants but once we start watching games and highlights, they will grow on most critics and naysayers. At their unveiling, I couldn't see any pants striping but it appears there is on the images @wildwing64 posted. That's a big plus. Thankfully, the Ducks' orange isn't creamsicle. That would be horrid.

Hockey needs colour and distinctiveness like it used to have prior to the 90's. Most of the arenas are identical when watching games and there's hardly any organ music beyond Chicago's. At least colourful but simple and traditional-looking uniforms are making a comeback.

 

[WSU151]

8 minutes ago, VancouverFan69 said:

Most of the arenas are identical when watching games and there's hardly any organ music beyond Chicago's.

 

There are 25 NHL arenas with organs. 

[VancouverFan69]

1 hour ago, WSU151 said:

 

There are 25 NHL arenas with organs. 

 

I rarely hear any organ music. Organ music is hardly played during anthem singing.

[Kevin W.]

On 6/29/2024 at 11:34 AM, seasaltvanilla said:

 

This is insane behavior.

I like accuracy. It's the same reason why I always send my authentic jerseys to be lettered by the companies that actually letter the on-ice jerseys. If I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right.

[Dynasty]

5 hours ago, Sec19Row53 said:

 

One occurrence doesn't make a tradition. If that's what we're gonna cite, then I can name plenty with no triangle or other geometric figure acting as a part of the crest.

 

It's already mounted on a hockey puck -- why does it need a triangle as well, which only serves (IMO) to make it look like it's mounted on a wall with other trophies?

 

I'm just going to guess because it would've looked awkward or incomplete, maybe? Although, if we're going to bring up the triangle, I think you could also make the argument that the circle was the shape that wasn't needed. The logo has a triangle, a circle, a duck mask, and hockey sticks which brings it to four different elements. I would that's one too many, though I would need to see a concept subtracting one of them for final judgement on that.

[Sec19Row53]

6 minutes ago, Dynasty said:

 

I'm just going to guess because it would've looked awkward or incomplete, maybe? Although, if we're going to bring up the triangle, I think you could also make the argument that the circle was the shape that wasn't needed. The logo has a triangle, a circle, a duck mask, and hockey sticks which brings it to four different elements. I would that's one too many, though I would need to see a concept subtracting one of them for final judgement on that.

Absofreakinglutely agreed.

[MEANS]

10 hours ago, BBTV said:

 

It's just a design element to give the overall logo some shape and definition when against various backgrounds.  Even the Penguins, who have the built-in "golden triangle" explanation, likely added theirs for the same reason.  While social media wasn't a thing, it still makes the logo look better on things like hockey cards, TV graphics, and to the average person, makes it look distinct and intentional and not just a drawing of a skating penguin.

 

No surprise the Sharks did the same thing.  A triangle is simply more dynamic (for lack of better word) than a square, and (at the time) less common than a roundel.

The real issue is the two shapes together create a weird tangent which does nothing to help the mark.  My vote would be to remove the circle thus eliminating another symmetrical shape and provide more focus on the Duck mask.

[FiddySicks]

13 hours ago, Sport said:

 

Sorry, Ducks fans, but the all orange and the orange heavy road for me are one of the ugliest sports uniforms in a very long time. Like Giant V Canucks bad. This is old school ugly like we haven't seen since the 70's/80's. And the entire problem for both home and road would be solved with black pants. The logo and home sweater are great. Even keeping the orange helmet is fine and would set them apart from the Flyers, but the orange pants is 3 steps too far. I'm picturing a full 20 man team full of Ducks skating out for warmups and like when the Kings wore all-yellow and it looked goofy - It's just a silly amount of orange. 

 

"They're orange because ORANGE County" Understood. It still looks dumb. It's like the LA Rams wearing bone colored road uniforms because that's the color of rams horns - Clever, but looked really stupid, which is more important. 

I’m with you on this. There are so many good elements, but the all orange is just taking it a step (or, three as you said) too far. I feel the same way about the Sharks. But at least with them, all teal is a bit easier on the eyes than all orange is (sorta). 
 

And what’s most frustrating is that both teams have black in their color palette, so the black pants would be perfect. The last set had times where orange was relegated too much as an accent color. This has the opposite problem, and now they’re using too little black. Weird choices. 

[SFGiants58]

All-purple wouldn't be a weird choice. It'd be hell to get the shades to match, but it wouldn't be weird.

 

I think I'm also starting to sour on the Sharks going all-teal. It's ok, but it's suboptimal given how good black breezers with stripes would be.

[DTConcepts]

On 7/1/2024 at 6:11 AM, BBTV said:

I'm of the mindset that all mono-hockey uniforms are awful

So what are your thoughts on these unis then?

 

I feel like 75% of this thread forms their opinions through selective outrage about anything new teams unveil. Let the league be colorful.

[DTConcepts]

11 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

All-purple wouldn't be a weird choice. It'd be hell to get the shades to match, but it wouldn't be weird.

Sorry for double posting, but the Ducks did all-purple last year and it looked alright.

[The_Admiral]

36 minutes ago, DTConcepts said:

I feel like 75% of this thread forms their opinions through selective outrage about anything new teams unveil. Let the league be colorful.

 

The Ducks came into the league looking quite colorful. That palette would have been better than dressing as a traffic cone with a stupid cartoon on the front.

[Sport]

30 minutes ago, DTConcepts said:

So what are your thoughts on these unis then?

 

I feel like 75% of this thread forms their opinions through selective outrage about anything new teams unveil. Let the league be colorful.

 

I formed my opinion through my own thoughts. Guess I'm in the anointed 25%. Nobody's saying the league can't be colorful, but you can be colorful without looking stupid and I think the orange pants tip the Ducks into looking stupid. 

 

With regards to mono-hockey uniforms, my rule of thumb is dark colors (black, navy, forest green, burgundy, the Ducks purple, etc.) work, but bright colors are on a case-by-case basis. Reds and royal blues are okay. The Sharks teal, Wild North Stars ripoffs is where it starts to lean towards silly. Only reason I give all-red a pass is because it's old enough and used frequently enough throughout hockey that I'm used to it. Even the beloved all-green Whalers uniforms of the 80's looks weird to me and I think the navy update in the 90's is a far more attractive hockey uniform. 

 

I think we have high percentage agreement that this looked stupid, right?  

 

 

orange or yellow isn't much better. 

 

With long sleeves, pants, long socks, and helmets that's a lot of one color to take in all at once so a darker color is easier to digest. 

 

 

[spartacat_12]

On 6/26/2024 at 5:11 PM, SenatorJake said:

Absolutely, an extremely valid point could be made for a fresh re-brand, but have you seen some of the names on that list?

 

Sheesh man...  Yeti, Mammoth and even Outlaws have some merit, but at the end of the day I'm picking Coyotes over every single name on that list.

 

If the Wild and Kraken have shown us anything, it's that an amateur sounding name can work if you pair it with some great logos/uniforms. 

 

On 6/27/2024 at 10:18 AM, Thunderbird35 said:

I know that this opinion isn’t popular with a lot of fans, but the Coyotes will be back. Probably when the Suns need a new arena, or at least upgrades. The league broke their backs trying to make it work in Phoenix. They aren’t turning their backs on such a big market. 

 

I don't doubt that there will be another team playing in the Phoenix area at some point, but they won't be called the Coyotes. Whatever new ownership group comes in is going to want their own fresh start to wash the Meruelo taste out of everyone's mouths. It's the reason why San Jose didn't call themselves the Seals, and why if Atlanta gets another team they won't be called the Thrashers.

 

On 6/28/2024 at 11:05 PM, uniformity said:

I'm calling them Coyotes from now on. It's not historically unprecedented for an unofficial name to become official in sports. With enough repetition it'll take hold.

 

Based on Bill Armstrong's quote from the draft, I'd expect there to be plenty of "let's go Yeti[s]" chants at Utah games even before an official name gets announced.

 

I've been one of the biggest Coyotes defenders on the boards over the years, but we need to move on. 

[Lights Out]

On 6/30/2024 at 10:31 AM, The_Admiral said:

A lot of the letters have 2000s-NFL spikes on them

 

Rather than the NFL, I think it looks like the kind of font you'd expect to see on a soccer jersey.

 

 

[The_Admiral]

35 minutes ago, Sport said:

With regards to mono-hockey uniforms, my rule of thumb is dark colors (black, navy, forest green, burgundy, the Ducks purple, etc.) work, but bright colors are on a case-by-case basis. Reds and royal blues are okay. The Sharks teal, Wild North Stars ripoffs is where it starts to lean towards silly. Only reason I give all-red a pass is because it's old enough and used frequently enough throughout hockey that I'm used to it. Even the beloved all-green Whalers uniforms of the 80's looks weird to me and I think the navy update in the 90's is a far more attractive hockey uniform. 

 

The Flames have enough yellow in there to break it up. The Hurricanes, with grey or black, didn't achieve the same primary-color contrast, so they tended to look more like the updated Red Wings they always were in Karmanos's mind than a distinct entity. That's kind of the same problem the all-teal Sharks have, and why the classic ABAB distribution worked so well for them.

[Sport]

1 hour ago, The_Admiral said:

 

The Flames have enough yellow in there to break it up. The Hurricanes, with grey or black, didn't achieve the same primary-color contrast, so they tended to look more like the updated Red Wings they always were in Karmanos's mind than a distinct entity. That's kind of the same problem the all-teal Sharks have, and why the classic ABAB distribution worked so well for them.

 

I think if you have some zany colors then it's best to show restraint in how they're used. ABAB for the Ducks looks borderline good. And with less white, the use of gold, no shoulder stripe it's different enough to avoid confusion with the Flyers.

 

 

 

 

This uniform worked and didn't look especially off the wall even with some daring color choices because it used a structured color balance with no one color getting too much attention and the colors are separated and blocked off.  It went ABABA  - A (purple jersey/helmet) B (teal hem and sleeves) A (purple pants) B (teal top socks) A (purple bottom socks). It's a well-bracketed hockey uniform. 

 

 

 

I think a reason this new look fails is it's got a messy structure. It goes AABAAB as in orange helmet, orange jersey, black hem/sleeve stripes, orange pants, orange top socks, black bottom socks. If you think of it like starting at the top and working down you've got too much orange head to waist, and then too much orange hips to shin. That's why the white uniform isn't nearly as bad as the all-orange. It's got a familiar hockey structure, even if it too uses too much orange. I think if you flip the socks so black is at the top then it gives that visual break in between the pants and socks and it'd be a BABAB structure. I still think the orange pants would look weird, but the whole piece would feel better.