infrared41 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 1. I have always liked Mike Gundy because there are two things I know about him: 1. He's a man. 2. He's forty.2. However, going on everything we have in front of us, how close the computers are, how the coaches have voted, how the AP (even though it doesn't count) ranked them, and when you take into consideration that Alabama only lost to the definitive #1 team by 3 points- there is at least some concrete evidence in their favor.3.Don't you think, at least a little, that a reason for people wanting to see Oklahoma State over Alabama is simply because they are sick of the SEC? Not the only reason...but when it comes down to the two and you had to write a list of pro's and con's, I think some people would reason with that.1. OK, that cracked me up. Well done.2. All the evidence, no matter how compelling, is still subjective. My argument is simply that, all things being almost equal, the conference champion should get the nod over the team that finished second. I'm not saying that Alabama isn't as good as Oklahoma State. I'm saying Oklahoma State is more deserving of a shot at LSU than Alabama is. That's where the human element really needed to come into play in this. 3. Sure, some of it is probably anti-SEC bias. All I'm saying is that people shouldn't assume it's all anti-SEC bias. There is a very rational, and unbiased, argument to be made for Oklahoma State and it has nothing to do with the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigga Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Al Golden's voting privileges should be revoked.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-final-coaches-ballots/51647436/1Look at his ACC voting, in regards to Clemson and Virginia Tech especially...along with a few other questionable rankings.Are you going to criticize Nick Saban for putting Okie State at #4? On January 16, 2013 at 3:49 PM, NJTank said: Btw this is old hat for Notre Dame. Knits Rockne made up George Tip's death bed speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 You see, I like the SEC. My favorite team is in the SEC, and I really do believe they're the best conference in the game. But even I don't like seeing Bama and LSU in the title game. But the main reason is because Bama already lost to LSU. We've seen that, let's get OSU in there for the excitement factor. And on the whole "then you don't want the two best teams to play for the title then" argument, I just don't feel that Alabama is better than OSU by enough to really determine that. Frankly, if Bama wins the title, whoever wins the Stanford OSU game has a legitimate gripe. Gahh, with all of the awful ends to a college season I've seen, this one ended up being by far the worst. Playoffs would be great right now. Hell, I'd even like to see a +1 would be nice, and I'm mostly against that idea. Man the BCS sucks. This whole thing is just like an epic academy award quality movie that ends like the Sporanos. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cola Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Al Golden's voting privileges should be revoked.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-final-coaches-ballots/51647436/1Look at his ACC voting, in regards to Clemson and Virginia Tech especially...along with a few other questionable rankings.Are you going to criticize Nick Saban for putting Okie State at #4?Well, you can definitely find some conference and geographical bias in those rankings (along with the AP or Harris)...but that guy is off his rocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Si's Andy Staples tells those who don't want a rematch on who to blame. And as usual, it goes back to Dan Beebe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 The coaches pumping up their conferences is nothing new. I remember Paul Wulff from Wazzu giving the PAC 10 schools a couple of years ago a pretty big boost in his rankings. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 The computers picked Oklahoma State 2nd. It was the AP and coaches who didn't. So what does that say? And I'm a fan of the SEC, I think they're the best conference, I'm excited Mizzou is going there and I really do like Alabama, more so than LSU or OkST. But I'm not happy how coaches were able to manipulate the polls by voting schools lower than where they should. I don't like how Saban voted OkST 4th, and I really don't like that Gary Pinkel did either. It just seems to much like a fix.And thus why the current system is crap. I don't like them, but Oklahoma State got shafted. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cola Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Well, the AP poll isn't a factor at all.At any rate, you are right- the coaches poll should have no weight at all in the scheme of things. First off, how many of these coaches get to analyze and watch these games with everything they have going on within their own team and conference? Not many as you'd think. Certainly not as many as a sports analyst or editor whose JOB it is to watch the games. At the same time, I don't like a lot of weight from newspaper guys either...because most never even suited up to play the sport in their entire life and have a screwed up bias in their heads about "what football really is".Some of these coaches aren't even the ones filling them out. They have someone else in the offices doing this for them- and that is a fact. I'm not saying Spurrier does it for the Coaches Poll, but he did admit to not personally filling out a ballot for SEC QB of the Year whenever he was the only person to NOT vote for Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Get rid of the human polls entirely, and add margin of victory to the Computer polls. Problem solved. Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Get rid of the human polls entirely, and add margin of victory to the Computer polls. Problem solved.The computer programs are not public domain, so the problem cannot be solved if you have no idea on what you are "adding" to. Only one of the programmers publicly makes theirs available. The Colley Matrix is the only one with an open algorithm and was the one which had the error in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Get rid of the human polls entirely, and add margin of victory to the Computer polls. Problem solved.Remember, the system is only like this in the first place because USC was #1 in 2003 and didn't make the title game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thespleenenator Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Get rid of the human polls entirely, and add margin of victory to the Computer polls. Problem solved.Remember, the system is only like this in the first place because USC was #1 in 2003 and didn't make the title game.I'm of the belief that if the computers don't think so, then it shouldn't be so. I have completely lost faith the human voters for determining anything. I think the computers should determine the bowl games as well, just so we won't have this Virginia Tech BS. I would say computers should officiate, but then we wouldn't get things like this: Why you make fun of me? I make concept for Auburn champions and you make fun of me. I cry tears.Chopping off the dicks of Filipino boys and embracing causes that promote bigotry =/= strong moral character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj4eck Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Cliff Harris officially released from Oregon Duck's football program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Montee Ball is a Heisman finalist! Along with Luck, RGIII, Richardson, and Mathieu. Guess Ball's still the 2nd most famous "Badger" in that list, but I'll take it.Looks like RGIII has a good shot, which is cool. He's been awesome and the idea of someone from Baylor winning it is nice. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 On the conference toughness point: the Big 12 is actually better than the SEC according to Jeff Sanguin's ratings.**I haven't actually seen the ratings, but I read that from Joe Posnanski's blog. I think Mr. Posnanski is a trustworthy source. "In the arena of logic, I fight unarmed."I tweet & tumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicageaux Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I'm glad Mathieu made the cut. He won't win it, but he's definitely had some game changing performances that'll land him on the Heisman Watch next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yeah, it's about time they gave a defensive player some recognition. Who knows, maybe he'll win it. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yeah, it's about time they gave a defensive player some recognition. Who knows, maybe he'll win it.Oh, it's not a question of whether he'll win. Honey Badger takes what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicageaux Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Yeah, it's about time they gave a defensive player some recognition. Who knows, maybe he'll win it.It'd be awesome, unfortunately from what I hear the suspension hurts his chances. If he won though, you guys would like me less than you already do. I'd be putting the PAAAAWL in EEES EEEE SEEE FOOTBAWL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Al Golden's voting privileges should be revoked.http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-final-coaches-ballots/51647436/1Look at his ACC voting, in regards to Clemson and Virginia Tech especially...along with a few other questionable rankings.I'm not convinced Crackalacky sans Andiambro is top ten material either. I think they're realistically hovering in the teens at the moment. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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