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NFL Playoffs: Super Bowl LIII

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There are just some teams that are completely irrelevant, and even a Super Bowl appearance won't change that.  The AZ Cardinals are one of them. Just about any other team could have played the Steelers and it would have been a very highly rated game.  Had the Super Bowl LII Champion Philadelphia Eagles not had a bitch-ass loser waste-of-oxygen with nothing but corny turds between his ears playing quarterback, the Super Bowl could have been one of the highest of all the times.

 

The list of irrelevant teams isn't really that high.  I'll give it a shot:

Dolphins (sad that it's come to this, but nobody cares)

Bills (but people would be interested in rooting for them to finally get one after losing 4 straight)

Chargers (now)

Bengals

Jaguars

maybe Titans

maybe Texans (let's be honest - if they're in the SB and don't have any flashy superstars, would the average person even care?)

Cardinals

Lions

Tampa

 

 

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5 hours ago, See Red said:

Under McVay, the Rams break huddle really quickly so McVay can help Goff read the defense and make audibles as necessary before the communication cuts off at 15 seconds.  McVay basically holds Goff's hand. 

 

The Patriots sent in two plays at a time and switched to the second after McVay's comm. with Goff cut off, leaving Goff on his own to figure things out. 

 

If Goff can't figure out how to read a defense, the Rams are screwed. 

Every team dose this including the patriots, so isn't exclusive to Rams. And Goff has been has been able to make his own reads fine these past two years anyway. This really a tried narrative that other NFL executives and coaches have said is sily. That not to say he didn't look bad because he did but that really wasn't why, and he and the Rams will be fine for the foreseeable future. 

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1 minute ago, masterchaoss said:

Every team dose this including the patriots, so isn't exclusive to Rams. And Goff has been has been able to make his own reads fine these past two years anyway. This really a tried narrative that other NFL executives and coaches have said is sily. That not to say he didn't look bad because he did but that really wasn't why, and he and the Rams will be fine for the foreseeable future. 

Give the Hoodie credit.  The double play call was something that McVay and Goff didn't anticipate and it proved to be the difference.

 

Goff can make his own reads but accounting for the last minute audible every down with that pressure was too much to ask for.

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2 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

I don't know why people worry so much about the ratings unless they're TV execs or advertising people whose livelihoods depend on them. Also, the Steelers-Cardinals Super Bowl that was awesome was rated lower than this one.

 

I think this happens a decent amount when it’s a really well established team vs a “plucky underdog”. This Rams team certainly wasn’t as out of nowhere as that a Cardinals team, but I think there was a thought that they weren’t the best representative of the conference (despite being the #2 seed). The idea of watching a team with a huge winning history vs a team that’s traditionally been total ass probably turns a lot of people off. Why bother watching a game when you think it’s going to be a curbstomping? 

 

Im not saying that’s how I personally feel, but I at least understand the mentality from a casual fans perspective.

 

On the surface, there wasn’t a whole lot that was really compelling about this matchup. Saints Pats would’ve been more interesting because the Saints just seemed like a team that had enough experience to not let the jitters get to them and Drew Brees is amazing. Rams vs Chiefs would’ve been INSANELY hyped because both teams would’ve had their jitters and it could’ve been a crazy shootout (sort of like the last game they played). Chiefs vs Saints would’ve been cool too because both of those offenses are electric and their defenses have problems. Pats Rams was probably the worst possible outcome because a lot of people sort of expected that there was the high potential for the Rams to lay a giant turd. Most predictions I saw either had the Rams winning a close one with a perfect gameplan, or the Pats summarily executing the Rams and serving them up during the post game meal. That’s basically what I expected. Somehow, it turned out to be even worse than that.

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22 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

I think this happens a decent amount when it’s a really well established team vs a “plucky underdog”. This Rams team certainly wasn’t as out of nowhere as that a Cardinals team, but I think there was a thought that they weren’t the best representative of the conference (despite being the #2 seed). The idea of watching a team with a huge winning history vs a team that’s traditionally been total ass probably turns a lot of people off. Why bother watching a game when you think it’s going to be a curbstomping? 

 

Im not saying that’s how I personally feel, but I at least understand the mentality from a casual fans perspective. 

Not to mention all of the people that felt the Rams were not the legitimate NFC Champions. That plus Patriot fatigue is going to lead to a decline. Granted, we're talking about a decline from 105.4 million to 100.7 million. At some point, you're still doing over 100 million viewers for a single event. Things will be fine.

 

I saw an article from a St. Louis site talking about how Los Angeles had the second-worst rating for a market with a team in the Super Bowl ever. Now I'm interested in ratings because I want to trash talk St. Louis whenever possible. LA had a 44.6 rating for the Super Bowl. How do ratings work? That's saying 44.6% of TV's were estimated to be watching, right? Because if so, that would mean that roughly 2.35 million were watching in the LA market, which is more than twice as many as are in the entire St. Louis market. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding the concept. Please feel free to correct me.

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1 hour ago, SabresRule7361 said:

Is a close but sloppy offensive game like last night worse than, say, 43-8?

 

Yeah I think so, because with a game like last night’s game, you’re pretty much forced to sit through all of the garbage because it’s deadlocked. At least if it’s a blowout you can kinda just tune it out. 

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1 hour ago, SabresRule7361 said:

Is a close but sloppy offensive game like last night worse than, say, 43-8?

No. There's intrigue in last night's game. Super Bowl 48's intrigue was me thinking up scenarios and doing math about how the Broncos could totally get back into it. "Okay, let's just get a stop here and then score a touchdown and then we're right back into it and... they ran the kick back for a TD."

 

EDIT: 48 also had the intrigue of whether I was going to drive to Godless Missouri to get liquor or not.

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I would say that SB LIII reminded me a lot of SB XL. Both games were close until late in the 4th quarter, and yet there just wasn't a whole lot of big plays to get excited about. I think Willie Parker had a 75-yard TD run and Antwaan Randle El threw a TD pass and that's about all I can remember from that PIT-SEA game. This year's game felt like I was watching a game from 2005.

 

I'm going to just pretend that Sunday's game never happened and the season ended on November 19th, when the real Super Bowl was played.

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Merging this into the SB thread. 

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On 2/4/2019 at 7:52 AM, oldschoolvikings said:

Did a Steelers fan just write these words?

Yep, and I completely understand there's a strong contingent of spoiled Steeler fans who act irrationally, which is weird due to the fact that we haven't won a SB in a decade. It does not mean we have to like NE's bratty fans just because we have some of our own. Quite honestly, it's pretty easy to talk a Steeler fan down (unless your a Bengals fan), especially since the "dur hur, 6 rings biatch" argument is dead. You cannot do the same with an NE fan.

23 hours ago, oldschoolvikings said:

I don’t hate the Patriots.  I’m not sure why I don’t, most of my life I’ve been a confirmed “dynasty hater”. My first sports hate as a wee little tyke was the 70’s Steelers (tho, mostly because they beat the Vikings in a SB).  In the 90’s I hated the Redwings and the Cowboys (honestly, I can’t really remember not hating the Cowboys).  I hated the Magic Johnson Lakers AND the Kobe Bryant Lakers, and am preparing to hate the LeBron Lakers.  I hate all Yankees, forever.  I didn’t hate the 49ers for some reason… probably because of “the catch” game, which hilariously broke Cowboys hearts.  And now, I don’t hate the Patriots, which seems weird to me.  In fact, although I usually think I’d rather not see them get in, once they’re in I find myself hoping they’ll win, which I ended up doing again last night.  I guess as long as they’re going to be great, I’d rather see them be really great than just pretty great… I was surprised to find myself really disappointed when the mediocre Giants led by huge doofus Eli Manning wrecked their perfect season. It was like seeing Einstein get corrected on the math problem by a freshman student… who wants to see that?  It probably also helps that I don’t know any annoying Patriot fans.  With all those other teams I mentioned, I had to deal with bunches of bandwagon jackasses, none worse than the “America’s Team” a-holes. The only Patriot fan I personally know was born and raised in Boston, is a fine upstanding police officer, and one of the nicest guys I know.  So anyway, I get why everyone hates them… they’ll never be my favorite team, but I’m willing to ride this out and see the history first hand.  For what it’s worth, I don’t hate Golden State, either.

Only two things make me respect the Evil Empire: their continued greatness and their organically built team. Yeah, they've acquired free agents like all teams, but to last this long with one coach and QB is freaking insane.

 

My main source of hate obviously is from them continually beating the Steelers, in many different ways; I really couldn't care less about the "cheating" or whatever. 3 AFCCG losses will indeed make fans of the loser irrationally hate the winner. Coupled in with many other devastating losses (the 2005 loss as time expired, getting blown out at home in 2010, getting screwed out of the #1 seed in 2017) and you have a recipe for hatred. I also work with a bunch of spoiled Patriot fans who are indeed insufferable. I can't even argue with them because their team beats mine all the time, it's pointless. What I really don't understand is how many fans will somehow tolerate this run by NE yet kick and scream at other runs by teams that weren't nearly as dominant (i.e. the Cowboys). I never had that much hatred for them despite the Steelers losing a SB to them, and I still don't understand why so many people do. They cite the fans and the "America's Team" motto and the arrogance, but the Patriots have pretty much inherited all those things at this point. Outside of Steelers/Giants fans I don't see the seething hate for the Patriots like I do with the Cowboys, Steelers, Yankees, and GSW.

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9 hours ago, SabresRule7361 said:

Is a close but sloppy offensive game like last night worse than, say, 43-8?

I'd say a close game, however slow and boring, is always more intense than a blowout.

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56 minutes ago, JWhiz96 said:

Outside of Steelers/Giants fans I don't see the seething hate for the Patriots like I do with the Cowboys, Steelers, Yankees, and GSW.

This probably doesn't have much to do with it, but one thing I read was interesting: despite all their success, the Patriots actually don't generate that much attention outside of the football season. There are always stories about free agency in the NBA, who the Yankees might or might not trade for, if the Cowboys are still "America's Team," etc. But the thing about the Patriots is they generally avoid a lot of drama. There have obviously been some big exceptions, but they really don't have a ton of drama queens. Once football is over, I never hear much about them outside of talking head sports shows and whatever Tom Brady is up to. I guess what I'm saying is once football is over, they are relatively easy to tune out, whereas I always hear about the Yankees, Warriors, etc.

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2 hours ago, JWhiz96 said:

Yep, and I completely understand there's a strong contingent of spoiled Steeler fans who act irrationally, which is weird due to the fact that we haven't won a SB in a decade. It does not mean we have to like NE's bratty fans just because we have some of our own. Quite honestly, it's pretty easy to talk a Steeler fan down (unless your a Bengals fan), especially since the "dur hur, 6 rings biatch" argument is dead. You cannot do the same with an NE fan.

Only two things make me respect the Evil Empire: their continued greatness and their organically built team. Yeah, they've acquired free agents like all teams, but to last this long with one coach and QB is freaking insane.

 

My main source of hate obviously is from them continually beating the Steelers, in many different ways; I really couldn't care less about the "cheating" or whatever. 3 AFCCG losses will indeed make fans of the loser irrationally hate the winner. Coupled in with many other devastating losses (the 2005 loss as time expired, getting blown out at home in 2010, getting screwed out of the #1 seed in 2017) and you have a recipe for hatred. I also work with a bunch of spoiled Patriot fans who are indeed insufferable. I can't even argue with them because their team beats mine all the time, it's pointless. What I really don't understand is how many fans will somehow tolerate this run by NE yet kick and scream at other runs by teams that weren't nearly as dominant (i.e. the Cowboys). I never had that much hatred for them despite the Steelers losing a SB to them, and I still don't understand why so many people do. They cite the fans and the "America's Team" motto and the arrogance, but the Patriots have pretty much inherited all those things at this point. Outside of Steelers/Giants fans I don't see the seething hate for the Patriots like I do with the Cowboys, Steelers, Yankees, and GSW.

 

Just to further your point re: Dallas - I think I can speak for a decent chunk of the population now, even those who have a few years on me even, when I say that, in my football-viewing lifetime, I've only seen the Cowboys win three playoff games, none of them beyond the wild card round. Dallas hasn't played in a conference championship game since 1995; I was two years old when that happened, needless to say I have no memory of it. Dallas has not played in a truly high-profile playoff game in two and a half decades, whereas New England has played in at least, what, 20 of them by the criteria I established? So, yeah. 

 

Maybe the Patriots, at least in your experience, get spared a little bit because they share a market with the Red Sox and plenty of people have grown to hate the Red Sox. For me, it's become an all-encompassing dislike of the entire sports market. Doesn't help that even the one championship the Bruins have won, they had to win a Game 7 against the Lightning to do so. There's no avoiding being in their path at some point in time or another it seems, which only intensifies the dislike, naturally. 

 

I mean, I'm thankful that I've generally been able to avoid bandwagoners. Don't have time for that nonsense. The Boston-area sports fans I know, which is of course a bunch of them (as it is for us all) are generally decent people I get along with well and have few bad words to say about them as people. They just have :censored: ty taste in sports teams, in my own opinion obviously, but that may not even be their fault. If you're born into it, what the hell are you gonna do about it? 

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I teach kids who have only ever known the Pats as the most dominant NFL team. So I understand the hate. 

 

It’s weird though. For me? The first Super Bowl I have clear memories of would be Super Bowl XXXI, where the Packers beat the Patriots. That was also the year I discovered the NFL Films Super Bowl Retrospective Marathon, where I saw the Pats get curb-stomped by the Bears in Super Bowl XX.

 

My point is that for my first formative years as a football fan? The Pats were the team that sometimes got to the Super Bowl and lost to the really good teams. 

 

Then they sucked for a bit, and suddenly Brady happened. A backup no one expected anything from and who had to come in to relieve a proven commodity at QB. And he lights the league on fire, beating a dominant team and winning a championship for a team that didn’t have any. 

 

People forget that Brady and the Pats winning that first one was a feel-good story. 

 

So I don’t know. Maybe I just remember all of that pre-two decade reign of terror stuff more than most, but I don’t ENTIRELY hate the Patriots like I do a team like the Yankees. 

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I looked at NFL history recently and saw that the 49ers of the 80s and 90s  had double digit wins from 1981-1998 (minus the players strike season of 1982).  White they didnt go to the Super Bowl as often as the Patriots they made the playoffs 16 seasons out of 18 seasons.  I'd say thats pretty dominant and we're just in the era that the Patriots are doing something similar.

 

I dont know if its the media or the market or what, but the 2001-present Patriots arent that far off from the 1981-1998 Niners.

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For my formative years, the NFC basically ran through the East or San Francisco, and all of them generally curb stomped the AFC. It was a little predictable, but not in the way you got sick of teams; there were clear differences between the Doug Williams and Mark Rypien Washington Super Bowl teams, for example.

 

And I call shenanigans on the first Pats Super Bowl being a feel good story. People - like me - were pissed about the tuck rule taking the game away from the Raiders, and I definitely was rooting for the Greatest Show on Turf in those sweet new blue/gold uniforms.

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21 minutes ago, AstroBull21 said:

I looked at NFL history recently and saw that the 49ers of the 80s and 90s  had double digit wins from 1981-1998 (minus the players strike season of 1982).  White they didnt go to the Super Bowl as often as the Patriots they made the playoffs 16 seasons out of 18 seasons.  I'd say thats pretty dominant and we're just in the era that the Patriots are doing something similar.

 

I dont know if its the media or the market or what, but the 2001-present Patriots arent that far off from the 1981-1998 Niners.

While yes the media is making it bigger, what you are also missing is that the 49ers weren’t playing with a salary cap. That makes a huge difference when the 9ers are playing with a much higher pay role than the others, compared to the pats that have been able to sustain with everyone being on the same level.

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If the Patriots weren't from Boston/New England, we wouldn't hate them this much. We'd dislike them, but probably just in the same way someone could dislike the San Antonio Spurs. You combine the Boston of it all plus the success of the Red Sox/Celtics/Bruins, and you get the level of disdain the rest of America has for the New England Patriots.

 

21 minutes ago, dont care said:

Who is zac Taylor? Is being jarrod Goff’s qb coach really that impressive?

 

He was a QB coach and OC for the Dolphins and the QBC/OC for the University of Cinicinatti before joining the Rams. In LA, he was an assistant WR coach last year and the QB coach this year. It certainly is a quick rise and an odd choice for the Bengals, but he's had a whiff of Sean McVay's coffee and was involved in the Rams offense (and probably cheaper) so the Bengals are giving it a try.

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