rams80 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, mcj882000 said: To be fair, I'm not sure if people expected SLC to have a basketball culture either prior to 1979. If what I've read in the past was right the Jazz weren't even expected to stay there, hence why they kept their extremely regional name; but then they did. They had an ABA team that was pretty successful on the court there, and sufficiently successful off the court that they were able to make it work until the collapse of the ABA's western flank (and the owner's other businesses failing) in the final season; St. Louis was even going to move there under a "Utah Rockies" moniker had there been a year 10 for the ABA. 4 Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin W. Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 4 hours ago, mcj882000 said: To be fair, I'm not sure if people expected SLC to have a basketball culture either prior to 1979. If what I've read in the past was right the Jazz weren't even expected to stay there, hence why they kept their extremely regional name; but then they did. "Soon it was commonplace for entire teams to change cities in search of greater profits. The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles where there are no lakes. The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil. The Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music." 11 Quote Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (CHL - 2018 Orr Cup Champions) Chicago Rivermen (UBA/WBL - 2014, 2015, 2017 Intercontinental Cup Champions) King's Own Hexham FC (BIP - 2022 Saint's Cup Champions) Portland Explorers (EFL - Elite Bowl XIX Champions) Real San Diego (UPL) Red Bull Seattle (ULL - 2018, 2019, 2020 Gait Cup Champions) Vancouver Huskies (CL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 7:18 PM, Sodboy13 said: Milwaukee requires you to pay the Blackhawks several hundred million for territorial rights. Hartford was a small-time WHA oddity with an arena that sucked 25 years ago and no intention to build a new one. Moving on. Adding to this - Fiserv Forum is laying an ice sheet for the first time for a weekend college hockey tournament. I have heard it can lay ice for essentially 'one offs', but it really isn't designed to host hockey long-term. Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said: Adding to this - Fiserv Forum is laying an ice sheet for the first time for a weekend college hockey tournament. I have heard it can lay ice for essentially 'one offs', but it really isn't designed to host hockey long-term. I had thought it didn't have an ice plant at all, so it surprised me to see that it did. I see it's hosting Disney on Ice, but yeah, there's a big difference between maintaining ice for 3-5 nights as opposed to September through June, I imagine. 1 Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Sec19Row53 said: Adding to this - Fiserv Forum is laying an ice sheet for the first time for a weekend college hockey tournament. I have heard it can lay ice for essentially 'one offs', but it really isn't designed to host hockey long-term. How hard is it to retrofit a floor to be able to keep ice cold? It shouldn’t be too difficult to put the piping and stuff into the floor, or overly expensive. And if it opens up the arena for an additional 41+ nights it should be a net positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Probably very hard actually between installing the ice plant and ripping up the floor to install the rink (typically courts are laid down on the ice. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 In addition to seating bowls that aren't optimized for hockey, buildings that don't plan to have NHL teams use PVC piping rather than copper piping for their ice plants, which leads to ice quality that isn't at an NHL level. We saw this with the crappy ice at the Barclays Center. I'm guessing that Findom, which was not supposed to have any ice at all so that the Mecca could concentrate on ice events, cheaped out with PVC. Does anyone else have other ideas for places that aren't Quebec City, which is eminently qualified to host a team from ownership, media, fanbase, and facility standpoints? 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 6 hours ago, the admiral said: Does anyone else have other ideas for places that aren't Quebec City, which is eminently qualified to host a team from ownership, media, fanbase, and facility standpoints? Seattle 2 until the Sonics return. Minneapolis. Only one of those two feels when remotely possible. Quote 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 If Minneapolis got a team (lol), they should go for green/yellow and a team name that’s obnoxiously close to North Stars, just for rubbing it in the face of Wild fans. 2 Quote MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Regarding SLC, hows the support for the Grizzlies? I know it's only ECHL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kolob Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 3 hours ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said: Regarding SLC, hows the support for the Grizzlies? I know it's only ECHL... There are some good hardcore fans. Everyone in the community knows who they are. 1 Quote "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." Lily Tomlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 Salt Lake City would have been an acceptable location for the western circuit of the AHL -- far more than Bakersfield, Stockton, Palm Springs, or Fort Collins. 4 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyJimmy Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 apropos of nothing, I feel like the South Carolina Stingrays should probably be an AHL team by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 You're gonna need to cite some concrete reasons beyond "vibes." Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 2:30 PM, Sodboy13 said: I had thought it didn't have an ice plant at all, so it surprised me to see that it did. I see it's hosting Disney on Ice, but yeah, there's a big difference between maintaining ice for 3-5 nights as opposed to September through June, I imagine. Disney has a portal rink system they bring with them so they can have shows in buildings without ice plants, whether they be dead or nonexistent. Disney prefers buildings have ice making capabilities because it's typically cheaper to have the building build up the ice layer by layer than for them to build one up from scratch. Quote Athletic Director: KTU Blue Grassers Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 It appears that they did include an ice plant after all, but I know the original plan was for it not to. But hey, once you start diverting University of Wisconsin funding to some hedge fund managers, why stop? Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, the admiral said: It appears that they did include an ice plant after all, but I know the original plan was for it not to. But hey, once you start diverting University of Wisconsin funding to some hedge fund managers, why stop? "Cheaper To Keep Them!" Quote On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 12/16/2021 at 6:17 PM, the admiral said: Does anyone else have other ideas for places that aren't Quebec City, which is eminently qualified to host a team from ownership, media, fanbase, and facility standpoints? This is the question that's often overlooked in relocation discussions. Too often they're limited to filling holes on a map. "Portland is a big-league city, ergo it should have NHL." Theoretically, a professional sports team can be successful almost anywhere if you have dedicated, ambitious and creative ownership that's willing to invest heavily to make it work. But too often these discussions start with the city first and never conceive of who would own it. Another layer I'd add to the Admirals' question is corporate support. You could have a fanbase as devoted as, say, Winnipeg's, but there's still going to be a need for sponsorship revenue and to fill corporate suites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 Milwaukee would be the smallest four-team market by a significant margin. I think Denver is the smallest now, and Denver isn't terribly small. A fourth team this late in the game would be spreading resources pretty thin, as much as I'd like to see Milwaukee in the NHL. I don't even know who would step forward to own a team. The league had Allen-Bradley money knocking at the door circa 1991 and said no. Quebec City has done everything right and has everything a team needs. However, hockey fans on reddit and HFboards are just enraptured by the idea of Dallas and Houston having a hockey rivalry. From what I can tell, nothing has ever made their hearts swell more than imagining a Dallas-Houston game. It would be the most important thing that has ever happened to the NHL, Dallas playing Houston. I should go post on CFL forums talking about how the world can wait no longer for Montreal to play Quebec in football. 3 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Just for kicks I would like to see an OKC team just so they can play Seattle.... Quote I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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