buzzcut Posted August 31, 2020 Share Posted August 31, 2020 If this Baseball cup idea does take place, the draws to determine each round better be live on television. The CCSLC's resident Geelong Cats fan. Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends. Sounds like something from a Rocky & Bullwinkle story arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 This Baseball Cup thing sounds like the US Open Cup for soccer in the States. It starts off with the lower level teams with the top tier teams getting multiple bye weeks until they have enough teams. There are a lot of talent disparities between the levels so im not sure how it'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 What does this mean? "MLB’s proposal would turn minor league teams into franchisees in an MLB-governed system." "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan7 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 In the US Open Cup and, I assume, other countries' cups, lower level affiliates of teams aren't allowed in to preserve the integrity of the matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 18 hours ago, BBTV said: What does this mean? "MLB’s proposal would turn minor league teams into franchisees in an MLB-governed system." It means the end of the independent entity known as Minor League Baseball (dubbed the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues prior to 1999) serving as the umbrella organization overseeing the individual affiliated farm leagues. Owners of affiliated minor league baseball teams are currently franchisees of MiLB and their leagues. Under Major League Baseball's proposal for the reorganization of affiliated minor league ball, Minor League Baseball / MiLB would cease to exist as anything beyond a brand name. Going forward, minor league baseball team owners would be franchisees of a development system owned, operated, and overseen by MLB. MLB would dictate which level of competition each affiliated minor league circuit competed at, which geographic region each affiliated minor league circuit covered, which markets were assigned to each level of competition, and which MLB franchises that affiliated minor league teams operating in said markets could / would establish development agreements with. MLB's goal? To cut costs and streamline player development. MLB leadership believes that the player development needs of 30 MLB teams are best served by 30 AAA teams, 30 AA teams, 30 Advanced A teams, and 30 A teams. The Short Season A and Rookie level leagues of affiliated minor league baseball will be eliminated, replaced by players formerly assigned to those levels receiving training at their respective MLB franchises' spring training facilities in Arizona and Florida. The number of minor league players each MLB team has under contract will be reduced and strictly controlled. Further savings will be realized by ensuring that each of a Major League Baseball team's four MiLB affiliates is situated as close as geographically possible to the big league club's market, as well as said club's other minor league teams. Additionally, MLB will take control of broadcast, merchandising, and sponsorship rights for affiliated minor leagues and teams, splitting revenues with the MiLB clubs on a 50-50 basis. As for the current MiLB teams that don't survive the cut, Major League Baseball officials are apparently going to suggest that they join either collegiate summer leagues or independent minor league circuits. What such a move will do to the valuations and financial bottom-line of the current affiliated MiLB teams that don't survive the culling is, apparently, of no concern to Major League Baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Brian in Boston said: MLB leadership believes that the player development needs of 30 MLB teams are best served by 30 AAA teams, 30 AA teams, 30 Advanced A teams, and 30 A teams. The Short Season A and Rookie level leagues of affiliated minor league baseball will be eliminated, replaced by players formerly assigned to those levels receiving training at their respective MLB franchises' spring training facilities in Arizona and Florida. The number of minor league players each MLB team has under contract will be reduced and strictly controlled. I don't think I really have a problem with this, though it does mean my Lake Monsters will be cut. What I do have a problem with would be the MLB taking it all over and doing whatever this "Baseball Cup" thing is. Just cut the teams down to 120 and keep the current structure of MiLB as is (or at least with the restructuring of some leagues to account for teams that are being lost and teams that are promoted to fill spots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Brian in Boston said: Further savings will be realized by ensuring that each of a Major League Baseball team's four MiLB affiliates is situated as close as geographically possible to the big league club's market. So, more things like Gwinnett Braves, Frisco Roughriders, and Tacoma Rainiers. And less things like Wichita Wind Surge<->Miami Marlins. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WJMorris3 Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 21 hours ago, sportsfan7 said: In the US Open Cup and, I assume, other countries' cups, lower level affiliates of teams aren't allowed in to preserve the integrity of the matches That's partially true. One benefit to the lower teams not being allowed in is that the big clubs, if they want to, can give Open Cup minutes to people who wouldn't ordinarily get playing time with the club (as they'd be cup-tied with the lower-level club otherwise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Pretty thorough description of the situation, without a paywall: Why MLB's minor leagues as you know them will end Sept. 30 Makes Manfred out to be a greedy bad guy, and MiLB Pat O'Conner to be a bit of an incompetent goof, but hey it's ESPiN... It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Minor League Baseball President & CEO Pat O'Conner has announced that he will be retiring on December 31, 2020.MiLB President & CEO O'Conner announces retirement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan7 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Isn't his position being eliminated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 9/4/2020 at 11:08 AM, B-Rich said: Makes Manfred out to be a greedy bad guy Sounds like the accurate reporting our nation so sorely needs. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I don't understand why people are put in charge of things they apparently have no appreciation of. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Rob Manfred is the commissioner for our time: A man who has clearly spent his entire adult life working to be CEO of something, anything. Baseball? Sure, what the hell, that's the one with the sticks, right? He is an empty vessel enthralled with being able to say he is in charge of a thing and the paycheck that comes with it. Meanwhile, his real bosses get to funnel money upward through him as rapidly as they like without any trite concerns like "the good of the game." Clear-cutting MiLB is the first step here, as evidenced by the report that MLB will be taking half of pretty much all farm teams' revenues outside of the concession stands. The 40 slaughtered teams will no doubt be shopped for potential opportunities in indy ball or summer collegiate leagues. Those operations are no doubt hurting from COVID as much as affiliated teams, if not more. MLB will make the AA, Frontier, Northwoods, and whoever else offers they can't refuse, with the hope that, soon enough, any baseball you'd pay to see outside of college ball will be required to give MLB a cut for exisiting. Is that good for the game? Is that sustainable at any level in the long term? Rob Manfred and his bosses are getting theirs now, so who the hell cares? On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustDevil61 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Sodboy13 said: Rob Manfred is the commissioner for our time: A man who has clearly spent his entire adult life working to be CEO of something, anything. Baseball? Sure, what the hell, that's the one with the sticks, right? He is an empty vessel enthralled with being able to say he is in charge of a thing and the paycheck that comes with it. Meanwhile, his real bosses get to funnel money upward through him as rapidly as they like without any trite concerns like "the good of the game." Clear-cutting MiLB is the first step here, as evidenced by the report that MLB will be taking half of pretty much all farm teams' revenues outside of the concession stands. The 40 slaughtered teams will no doubt be shopped for potential opportunities in indy ball or summer collegiate leagues. Those operations are no doubt hurting from COVID as much as affiliated teams, if not more. MLB will make the AA, Frontier, Northwoods, and whoever else offers they can't refuse, with the hope that, soon enough, any baseball you'd pay to see outside of college ball will be required to give MLB a cut for exisiting. Is that good for the game? Is that sustainable at any level in the long term? Rob Manfred and his bosses are getting theirs now, so who the hell cares? Methinks it's time to pull the antitrust exemption. You know, for the good of the game. http://i.imgur.com/Pyc5qRH.gifhttp://i.imgur.com/RDXvxFE.gif LED Sig Credits to packerfan21396 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/3/2020 at 2:58 PM, Brian in Boston said: As for the current MiLB teams that don't survive the cut, Major League Baseball officials are apparently going to suggest that they join either collegiate summer leagues or independent minor league circuits. What such a move will do to the valuations and financial bottom-line of the current affiliated MiLB teams that don't survive the culling is, apparently, of no concern to Major League Baseball. Or, for that matter, the small cities that spent millions of dollars on their ballparks in the last decade plus for naught apparently. On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, rams80 said: Or, for that matter, the small cities that spent millions of dollars on their ballparks in the last decade plus for naught apparently. A Burlington Bees and Clinton LumberKings move to the Northwoods League would have plenty of promise (charter team the Waterloo Bucks would no longer be the only team in Iowa) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 Major League Baseball has named the independent Atlantic League of Professional Baseball as its first "Partner League". The designation means that MLB officials and their Atlantic League counterparts will meet regularly in order to discuss joint marketing and promotional initiatives, "including the leagues' shared goal of providing baseball to communities throughout the United States". The "Partner League" designation expands upon an agreement entered into by the leagues prior to their respective 2019 seasons. Said compact called upon the independent minor league circuit to serve as a testing ground for a variety of rule and equipment changes being explored by MLB. These included rules limiting defensive shifts, reducing the number of mound visits, and shortening breaks between innings. The most controversial idea explored via the agreement was the use of Trackman automated ball-strike (ABS) technology. "Providing baseball to communities throughout the United States" sounds an awful lot like MLB sloughing off eliminated MiLB markets to the world of independent minor pro baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilbert Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 The Frontier League and American Association have also now been named partner leagues. Signature intentionally left blank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 “We look forward to our partnership with MLB incorporating the American Association into the MLB family. To grow America’s Pastime, it’s critical to bring all stakeholders in professional baseball to the table,We believe this association with Major League Baseball will culminate in a comprehensive agreement that will grow baseball and shine an even brighter light on the American Association. The American Association has already established itself as a premier professional league in North America, this partnership will only enhance the American Association’s stature among the professional baseball world.” - Joshua Schaub, American Association Commissioner“The Frontier League is honored to become a Partner League with Major League Baseball. This partnership will be beneficial in growing our great game of Baseball in all of our United States and Canadian markets. Our teams and fans will all be excited to see the League grow in years to come. The Frontier League began in 1993, to have a relationship with Major League Baseball, is one of the greatest moments in League history.” - Bill Lee, Frontier League Commissioner Operation of the affiliated minor leagues to be brought in-house. Check. The three oldest independent minor leagues slowly being brought to heel via "partnerships". Check. It's time for Congress to give Major League Baseball's antitrust exemption a thorough examination... perhaps leading to its being overturned entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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