Stadium/Arena Saga Omnibus

[Cosmic]

15 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

No announced plans for the ESPN Zone or AMC Theaters they cleared out.

Are there a lot of fork-and-screen movie theaters (where you can eat a full meal at your seat during the movie) out there? The Orlando Downtown Disney/Disney Springs AMC has been like that for a few years, and it seems to be pretty popular. If they're already closed, it seems like an opportune time for construction.

[FiddySicks]

Studio Movie Grill would probably make some sense for the ESPN Zone location. I’d like that to reopen, though. That place was great. 

[Still MIGHTY]

1 hour ago, Cosmic said:

Are there a lot of fork-and-screen movie theaters (where you can eat a full meal at your seat during the movie) out there? The Orlando Downtown Disney/Disney Springs AMC has been like that for a few years, and it seems to be pretty popular. If they're already closed, it seems like an opportune time for construction.

 

I’m not sure about the Anaheim area in particular, but yeah, we have a bunch in south Orange County.

 

Its not a bad option, but I never found that AMC to be a great movie location anyway. If I’m going to Disney, I’m not seeing a movie. And if I’m seeing a movie, I’m not dealing with Disney.

[Wings]

4 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

The main thing I learned from this article is how badly the NHL wanted to be in Nashville.

 

I'd always thought Hartford should've relocated to Nashville but the owners were not going to give up that expansion money. 

[LMU]

8 hours ago, Still MIGHTY said:

 

I’m not sure about the Anaheim area in particular, but yeah, we have a bunch in south Orange County.

 

Its not a bad option, but I never found that AMC to be a great movie location anyway. If I’m going to Disney, I’m not seeing a movie. And if I’m seeing a movie, I’m not dealing with Disney.

The AMC's already confirmed to be relocating to the Garden Walk (although strangely I did go on a date at that Downtown Disney AMC a decade or so ago).

 

With the ESPN Zone, since even the one at LA Live, directly downstairs from the ESPN LA studio complex, went under there's no way that's going to come back in any capacity.

[Mac the Knife]

I'm of the opinion that every one of these situations should be handled thusly...

 

Team:  "We're opting out of our lease."

 

City:

[TBGKon]

20 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Only because you’re used to it. The Los Angeles Rams moved to Anaheim in 1980 and no one cared that they kept the Los Angeles name. 

 

The NHL first began to be interested in Anaheim in the late 80s. The Minnesota North Stars proposed moving in the early 90s, and were planning on using the name “Los Angeles Stars.” 

 

That deal only got nixed because the NHL wanted that sweet, sweet expansion cheque from Disney. And Disney opted to name their team the “Mighty Ducks of Anaheim” to drum up publicity for the locale of one of their major resorts. 

 

Had the Los Angeles Stars relocation gone through, or had Disney just gone with “Los Angeles Mighty Ducks”? We’d likely think nothing of a team in Anaheim using the “Los Angeles” name. 

Again, the Rams did it for fourteen years and no one cared. 

 

Pretty much without the magic of Walt Disney, Anaheim would be as known as any other suburb of LA.

[Digby]

Yeah, I always thought it was just commonly accepted that the Mighty Ducks and then the Angels took on "Anaheim" as the geographic ID primarily because making it "Disneyland" would have been one step too far.

[OnWis97]

15 hours ago, Quillz said:

The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, not Detroit. The Giants play in East Rutherford, New Jersey, not New York. The Angels are "Los Angeles" because that was their original name and they're part of the Greater LA Metro Area.

Don't get some people started on that....

 

I agree with IceCap's statement that if Anaheim teams had always been called "Los Angeles" nobody would give it a lot of thought.  Little quirks sort of get our minds focused in one direction. For example, I am absolutely convinced that if New York City and New York State did not have the same name (e.g., if the city was called "Gotham") then people would be far less bent out of shape about the Gotham Giants and Gotham Jets not being called "New Jersey."  They're conflating the city and state.  That explains why nobody demand the Washington Redskins be called the Maryland Redskins.

 

Last September, I took a trip to LA, stayed in Rodando Beach and rented a car.  I went to, among other things, a Dodger game and an Angel game.  Driving to the Angels game, I never felt like I was leaving the LA market.  The ballpark's setting seemed to be very "general suburbia."  I know Anaheim is bigger/different than Orchard Park or Auburn Hills; if a team wants to market specifically to that part of the region, it makes some sense.  But it's not wrong to call them "LA."

[LMU]

1 hour ago, OnWis97 said:

Don't get some people started on that....

 

I agree with IceCap's statement that if Anaheim teams had always been called "Los Angeles" nobody would give it a lot of thought.  Little quirks sort of get our minds focused in one direction. For example, I am absolutely convinced that if New York City and New York State did not have the same name (e.g., if the city was called "Gotham") then people would be far less bent out of shape about the Gotham Giants and Gotham Jets not being called "New Jersey."  They're conflating the city and state.  That explains why nobody demand the Washington Redskins be called the Maryland Redskins.

 

Last September, I took a trip to LA, stayed in Rodando Beach and rented a car.  I went to, among other things, a Dodger game and an Angel game.  Driving to the Angels game, I never felt like I was leaving the LA market.  The ballpark's setting seemed to be very "general suburbia."  I know Anaheim is bigger/different than Orchard Park or Auburn Hills; if a team wants to market specifically to that part of the region, it makes some sense.  But it's not wrong to call them "LA."

REDONDO Beach.

 

Sorry, I live the next city over.  Have to correct it for the record.

[Digby]

Paging Patti Smith.

[The_Admiral]

Thanks for reminding me that Horses doesn't end after the first track after all!

[IceCap]

On 10/17/2018 at 7:58 PM, monkeypower said:

I'll start by saying I'm in favour of Anaheim being used as the geographical identifier and I think it can be after so many years of being used as one, but it is definitely a Disney creation. 

I don't have any objection to using "Anaheim" as an identifier either. I just don't think using the "Los Angeles" name in Anaheim is bad either. Both can, and have, worked.

[BBTV]

2 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

I don't have any objection to using "Anaheim" as an identifier either. I just don't think using the "Los Angeles" name in Anaheim is bad either. Both can, and have, worked.

 

I think it's more natural to become more precise in your name than more vague.  Florida to Miami Marlins took me no time to adjust to, while Phoenix to Arizona Cardinals still seems weird to me.  The Angels have gone all directions with this.  Small (LA) to medium (CA) to small (Anaheim) back to medium (LA). For whatever reason, LAA (or LAA of A) has taken me far longer to get used to than Anaheim from California did.

[Digby]

11 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

I think it's more natural to become more precise in your name than more vague.  Florida to Miami Marlins took me no time to adjust to, while Phoenix to Arizona Cardinals still seems weird to me.  The Angels have gone all directions with this.  Small (LA) to medium (CA) to small (Anaheim) back to medium (LA). For whatever reason, LAA (or LAA of A) has taken me far longer to get used to than Anaheim from California did.

 

Could be the overall branding, too -- when they went to Anaheim the periwinkle scheme and the absurd 90s logos came with it, so it was a cleaner break. Anaheim to LAAoA was easy to miss, frankly, if you weren't paying attention beyond the field of play.

[Gothamite]

So easy to miss that Wikipedia didn't even realize it for a couple years.

[colortv]

Angel Stadium is less than 30 miles from downtown LA.

 

I don't think most people realize how big the LA metro area is, as Bill Simmons put it.

 

There are points that are well over 100 miles apart.

[BBTV]

8 minutes ago, colortv said:

There are points that are well over 100 miles apart.

 

That's difficult for many of us on the east coast to grasp.  From me in South Philadelphia, 100 miles puts me precisely at the Empire State Building... which is certainly not in the same metro.

[Quillz]

It’s not even distance. Geography, too. There’s a full blown mountain range between downtown LA and the suburbs of the valley. Want to travel 10 miles from Van Nuys to downtown? Enjoy the 405 traffic through Sepulveda Pass. 

[colortv]

28 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

That's difficult for many of us on the east coast to grasp.  From me in South Philadelphia, 100 miles puts me precisely at the Empire State Building... which is certainly not in the same metro.

 

That's why I find this Chargers stuff in the other thread so silly.

 

They have a market from the Mexican border in the south to basically Santa Barbara in the North, stretching 230 miles North to South with 20 million people. 

 

You would have to try to fail in order to do so.