monkeypower Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 15 hours ago, Kramerica Industries said: There's really nothing sillier than teams who do the champagne celebrations for merely qualifying for the wild card game and then end up losing that game. Congratulations, you busted out the fizzies for a glorified tiebreaker game (though this one actually was a true tiebreaker game for a rare change). Hope those celebrations don't feel as hollow as they look 48 hours later. I've long thought that baseball has way too many formal playoff clubhouse celebrations. Clinched a postseason spot, even if it's just a Wild Card game? Here's a champagne shower and a playoff t-shirt with a vague "October" phrase. Clinched a division title? Here's a champagne shower and a division champion t-shirt over along with the October shirt (I think this one is okay though). Won the Wild Card game? Here's a champagne shower. Won the Division series? Here's a champagne shower. Won the Championship series? Here's a champagne shower and a league champion t-shirt (I think this shirt definitely deserved, but not as hot on the champagne). Won the World Series? Here's a champagne shower and a World Series champion t-shirt and hat (This is one obviously okay) Compare that to the other Big 4. Playoff teams will do smaller post-game celebrations of regular season division championships (though I think that has begun to fall out of style in the NHL and NBA), series wins or game wins (in the case of the NFL), but nothing anywhere close to the extent of wheeling in the champagne and tarping off the stalls until the championship win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sport Posted October 6, 2021 Share Posted October 6, 2021 15 hours ago, Kramerica Industries said: There's really nothing sillier than teams who do the champagne celebrations for merely qualifying for the wild card game and then end up losing that game. Congratulations, you busted out the fizzies for a glorified tiebreaker game (though this one actually was a true tiebreaker game for a rare change). Hope those celebrations don't feel as hollow as they look 48 hours later. The champagne celebration after winning the wildcard game makes sense, I guess because that's officially clinching a real playoff spot, but after winning an LDS it's silly too. The 2013 Reds made a point about not having a champagne party just for making the wildcard game. They didn't show up for the game either so maybe they should've drank some champagne. Has there been any other instances of teams skipping the champagne before the wildcard game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramerica Industries Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Sport said: The champagne celebration after winning the wildcard game makes sense, I guess because that's officially clinching a real playoff spot, but after winning an LDS it's silly too. The 2013 Reds made a point about not having a champagne party just for making the wildcard game. They didn't show up for the game either so maybe they should've drank some champagne. Has there been any other instances of teams skipping the champagne before the wildcard game? I'm merely speculating and don't have the facts in front of me one way or the other, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Dodgers didn't celebrate this year because, when they clinched a playoff berth, they were still in the thick of the division race, and, for them, "clinching" a wild card was because the Giants clinched the division on the final day of the season. I wouldn't expect the Dodgers to have been in much of a celebratory mood after that. They also won the World Series last year, so odds are something as insignificant as the wild card game wouldn't even register on their radar as being worth celebrating anyway (at least, I would hope so). I also wouldn't be surprised if a team like, for example, the 2012 Rangers didn't celebrate either. That example being one where a team is leading their division by multiple games at the time of clinching their playoff berth, and then coughs up the division lead afterwards (in their case, and like what happened with the Reds to a similar degree the next year, by getting swept by the team that passed them in the final series of the season). I don't happen to know any other kinds of examples like that off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 5 hours ago, monkeypower said: I've long thought that baseball has way too many formal playoff clubhouse celebrations. Clinched a postseason spot, even if it's just a Wild Card game? Here's a champagne shower and a playoff t-shirt with a vague "October" phrase. Clinched a division title? Here's a champagne shower and a division champion t-shirt over along with the October shirt (I think this one is okay though). Won the Wild Card game? Here's a champagne shower. Won the Division series? Here's a champagne shower. Won the Championship series? Here's a champagne shower and a league champion t-shirt (I think this shirt definitely deserved, but not as hot on the champagne). Won the World Series? Here's a champagne shower and a World Series champion t-shirt and hat (This is one obviously okay) Compare that to the other Big 4. Playoff teams will do smaller post-game celebrations of regular season division championships (though I think that has begun to fall out of style in the NHL and NBA), series wins or game wins (in the case of the NFL), but nothing anywhere close to the extent of wheeling in the champagne and tarping off the stalls until the championship win. There should be 3 max. Winning the division, pennant, and World Series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I’ll go further. No champagne showers until you win the Fall Classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Red Comet said: I’ll go further. No champagne showers until you win the Fall Classic. Also, no banners for winning a Wild Card playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 11 hours ago, TrueYankee26 said: Now we can enjoy another fluky Red Sox run to the title. LOL wut On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWhom Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Watch the World Series be Red Sox vs. Cardinals. Because time is a flat circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueYankee26 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, Brass said: LOL wut I'd rather have a fluky run than have a bunch of underachievers like the Yankees the last 12 years so you're good. And if a Sox WS win finally wakes up the Yankees then it will be a blessing in disguise. Man this NL Wildcard game is how I expected it. Lots of web gems by St. Louis and the Dodgers failing with the bases loaded. Not LA's night. trueyankee26.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, DoctorWhom said: Watch the World Series be Red Sox vs. Cardinals. Because time is a flat circle. Cardinals would have to beat the Giants in that scenario, which goes against the laws of physics. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Rays-Braves would be an amazing series for two teams that can never get it done. Heck, if the Braves bring out former Expos players (40 years since their one playoff appearance) or honor the current Bronfman, it could get spicy. I'd beseech any NL team playing the Rays to do Expos stuff to troll the team. Just now, FiddySicks said: Cardinals would have to beat the Giants in that scenario, which goes against the laws of physics. The Cardinals gave the Giants some trouble in the regular season (then again, so did the Pirates). MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 On 10/4/2021 at 10:23 AM, SFGiants58 said: The traditionalists are a detriment to the sport. Rob Manfred is screwing with everything and he's proven himself a far bigger detriment to the sport than people who think the regular-season games should count more. They certainly cost enough to go to or to watch at home. Sucks for the Mariners but there has to be a reason for playing day-in-day-out for six months. I don't even care for a fifth team per league. If you want to purge the "traditions" of byzantine unwritten codes of personal conduct, throwing baseballs at people's heads for violating said code, and entrusting the game to guys who can't call balls and strikes, that's fine, that's the right thing to do, but the fundamentals of the game and the season are what work. That's the baseball world I want to live in: unwritten burn the unwritten rulebook, and if you finish 84-78 you should probably go home for the winter. p.s.: the war on tradition is what installed an MBA in every front office engineering teams to win 56 games a year in hopes of maybe getting better but definitely saving money ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 minute ago, the admiral said: Rob Manfred is screwing with everything and he's proven himself a far bigger detriment to the sport than people who think the regular-season games should count more. They certainly cost enough to go to or to watch at home. Sucks for the Mariners but there has to be a reason for playing day-in-day-out for six months. I don't even care for a fifth team per league. If you want to purge the "traditions" of byzantine unwritten codes of personal conduct, throwing baseballs at people's heads for violating said code, and entrusting the game to guys who can't call balls and strikes, that's fine, but the fundamentals of the game and the season are what work. Adding more teams to the playoffs make the regular season count more though. When you have teams virtually eliminated by the allstar break it makes those games not important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, dont care said: Adding more teams to the playoffs make the regular season count more though. When you have teams virtually eliminated by the allstar break it makes those games not important. And if you win 102 games but get dropped by a 79-83 team because of a fluke, those games were unimportant, too. It becomes the NHL/NBA argument: should the games be irrelevant because only the playoffs matter and anything can happen, or should they be irrelevant because God has already predestined the rightful participants? I'd rather avoid both and just have the longest season yield the fewest postseason teams. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brass Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, TrueYankee26 said: I'd rather have a fluky run than have a bunch of underachievers like the Yankees the last 12 years so you're good. And if a Sox WS win finally wakes up the Yankees then it will be a blessing in disguise. Man this NL Wildcard game is how I expected it. Lots of web gems by St. Louis and the Dodgers failing with the bases loaded. Not LA's night. I was more so responding to the idea of "another fluky Red Sox run to the title." I'd hardly say any of their runs to a title since 2004 have been "fluky." On 4/10/2017 at 3:05 PM, Rollins Man said: what the hell is ccslc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Maybe go back to 4 playoff teams, but make game 154 the "playoff" line for division purposes, and then the next four teams play series to determine who's the WC team. So you'd have a max of 9 play-in games, which brings you to 163 which is fine. The divison winners keep playing so there's no layoff factor, and you just adjust the schedule for the non-qualifiers to just play each other while the good teams are still in, and add the eliminated teams to the mix as they're eliminated. It woudl be a scheduling and logistic headache, but it would serve all purposes - keep games meaningful for more fans at least through game 154, eliminate the layoff disadvantage, and get rid of the 1 and done.. Prolem solved - now let's move on, get the DH in the NL, make the runner on second rule permananent, lose the three batter rule, euthanize Joe West, add robots, and turn the Trop into a parking lot. It's just too easy. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, dont care said: Adding more teams to the playoffs make the regular season count more though. When you have teams virtually eliminated by the allstar break it makes those games not important. Bad take. We just had a season that almost required, like, 3 or 4 tiebreakers after 162. All those teams that missed out are disappointed but they can't deny the excitement they had during the final stretch. Every league has those teams that are done by the all-star break. We shouldn't reward the playoffs to mediocrity. No reason for the NBA to include half the league in the playoffs when a good handful of them aren't even over .500 and get swept/blown out anyway. It's worse now with that dumb "play-in tournaments". MLB's playoff format is as bloated as it can possibly be. I can't imagine anything bigger without ruining the integrity and magic of the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWhom Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 I've never seen 2 teams try so hard not to win a game like this Dodgers - Cardinals game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 Game well over 4 hours long now. I hope they're using the runner on 2nd to begin the 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 7, 2021 Share Posted October 7, 2021 …and Taylor ends it. Thank Mithras. What an absolutely dull game. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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