College Football 2023

[B-Rich]

23 hours ago, dont care said:

Where on campus do you want these stadiums to be built? Also with areas to tailgate since seemingly that’s so important to you. 

 

Every campus is, of course, different and would have to deal with it in different ways.   In some places  the land is there, either as open space/fields or parking, in other more tight urban settings other buildings may have to be demolished.   

 

Despite the way we tend to think of them as timeless and unchanging ivy-covered edifices, college campuses are certainly NOT static places; things change over time-- and not just with athletic facilities. 

The two Florida examples discussed earlier are post-WWII campuses built on (what was) the outskirts of town, essentially suburban and auto-oriented in their layout and style, with plenty of room to re-purpose and/or expand, as was the case with UCF:

 

And as will be the case with USF:

 

In other more older, urban, or built-up areas, you may be able to find parking lots or other such un- or underdeveloped areas on the perimeter of the campus site, as was the case in Minnesota:

 

And then you've got some real tight squeezes in totally built-up urban areas, which require demolition/relocation of some facilities or buildings, as well as modern stadium design with multiple levels as opposed to the old fashioned one-level "bowl".   A great example of how this worked is Yulman Stadium at Tulane:

 

In regards to where you can tailgate, you can look at any of these aerial photos (just as you can look at most college campuses) and find areas with interior parking with grassy quads, often covered or lined with trees.  Since the VERY first game at Yulman in 2014, those have become tailgate areas for Tulane fans, who previously couldn't tailgate in the downtown Superdome parking GARAGE. 

 

Since moving into their own on-campus stadium, UCF has also started a decent tradition of on-campus tailgating:

[TalktoChuck]

On 9/11/2023 at 10:16 AM, Cujo said:

 

It's great to CU football relevant again. Enjoy this while it lasts. Coach Prime's stock is skyrocketing and other programs will come calling when the regular season colludes. Because we all know how college football goes, he really could be one-and-done in Boulder.

 

Chances are he'll be a two-and-done. Shedeur, Travis Hunter, and all his Jackson State guys have used their free transfer to get to CU and wouldn't be able to follow him out. After next season, pretty much all of his guys will either be graduated or draft-ready. 

[GDAWG]

On 9/11/2023 at 11:16 AM, Cujo said:

 

It's great to CU football relevant again. Enjoy this while it lasts. Coach Prime's stock is skyrocketing and other programs will come calling when the regular season colludes. Because we all know how college football goes, he really could be one-and-done in Boulder.

 

Pro Football Talk's Resident S-Stirrer, Mike Florio believes that despite Deion's comments about not wanting to coach in the NFL, he won't turn down NFL money.  

[dont care]

13 hours ago, B-Rich said:

 

Every campus is, of course, different and would have to deal with it in different ways.   In some places  the land is there, either as open space/fields or parking, in other more tight urban settings other buildings may have to be demolished.   

 

Despite the way we tend to think of them as timeless and unchanging ivy-covered edifices, college campuses are certainly NOT static places; things change over time-- and not just with athletic facilities. 

The two Florida examples discussed earlier are post-WWII campuses built on (what was) the outskirts of town, essentially suburban and auto-oriented in their layout and style, with plenty of room to re-purpose and/or expand, as was the case with UCF:

 

And as will be the case with USF:

 

In other more older, urban, or built-up areas, you may be able to find parking lots or other such un- or underdeveloped areas on the perimeter of the campus site, as was the case in Minnesota:

 

And then you've got some real tight squeezes in totally built-up urban areas, which require demolition/relocation of some facilities or buildings, as well as modern stadium design with multiple levels as opposed to the old fashioned one-level "bowl".   A great example of how this worked is Yulman Stadium at Tulane:

 

In regards to where you can tailgate, you can look at any of these aerial photos (just as you can look at most college campuses) and find areas with interior parking with grassy quads, often covered or lined with trees.  Since the VERY first game at Yulman in 2014, those have become tailgate areas for Tulane fans, who previously couldn't tailgate in the downtown Superdome parking GARAGE. 

 

Since moving into their own on-campus stadium, UCF has also started a decent tradition of on-campus tailgating:

K those are examples of where it has worked, yet failed to provide evidence of how it will work on Temple’s or Pitts campuses

[Sec19Row53]

14 hours ago, GDAWG said:

 

Pro Football Talk's Resident S-Stirrer, Mike Florio believes that despite Deion's comments about not wanting to coach in the NFL, he won't turn down NFL money.  

He wasn't going to leave Jackson State for a big program either, was he?

[Cujo]

[infrared41]

19 minutes ago, Cujo said:

 

 

Buffs by 30.

 

[tBBP]

Just now, infrared41 said:

 

 

Buffs by 30.

 

 

+1. 

 

As in Buffs by 31...

[infrared41]

Just now, tBBP said:

 

+1. 

 

As in Buffs by 31...

 

It ain't gonna go well for the Rams.

[Cujo]

1) I live 60 minutes from CSU and have never heard of Jay Norvell until today.

 

2) He wears a visor and janitor shirt when he talks to adults, which is far more professional... 

 

[tBBP]

3 hours ago, Cujo said:

1) I live 60 minutes from CSU and have never heard of Jay Norvell until today.

 

2) He wears a visor and janitor shirt when he talks to adults, which is far more professional... 

 

 

Dude seems to have his own PJ Fleck-ish approach to fashion...

 

 

And that's aside from looking like the Louisiana Mike Myers' long-lost brother...

 

(I'm also glad he ain't no kin to Mike Norvell...)

[Cujo]

42 minutes ago, tBBP said:

 

Coach Prime's sunglasses and Stetson >>> this guy's plumber cosplay

[infrared41]

Did I say Buffs by 30? I meant Buffs by 40.

 

 

[Cujo]

And CU will be saving this one for next weekend

 

 

[tBBP]

37 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

Did I say Buffs by 30? I meant Buffs by 40.

 

 

 

Well hey, a rider is a rider so, again...

 

+1. As in Buffs by 41.

[FiddySicks]

Edit: don’t mind me, I once again have no idea what thread I’m in. 

[MJWalker45]

20 hours ago, tBBP said:

 

Dude seems to have his own PJ Fleck-ish approach to fashion...

 

 

And that's aside from looking like the Louisiana Mike Myers' long-lost brother...

 

(I'm also glad he ain't no kin to Mike Norvell...)

Still not as bad as one college coach that wears a baseball cap and a t-shirt with the sleeves cut off. I wish I could remember the game though. He coaches Charlotte now, but this was him last year. As far as Norvell, he's not the only coach that went with the custodian/plumber look. Eastern Michigan did that for the Bahamas Bowl a few years back. 

Eastern Michigan bowl gear:

 

[Cujo]

19 hours ago, tBBP said:

Well hey, a rider is a rider so, again...

 

+1. As in Buffs by 41.

 

Update: Buffs by 70

 

[B-Rich]

On 9/12/2023 at 11:56 PM, dont care said:

K those are examples of where it has worked, yet failed to provide evidence of how it will work on Temple’s or Pitts campuses

 

In response:

 

GDAWG's original question was, "With South Florida leaving Raymond James Stadium for an on-campus stadium, this leads to an interesting question: should college football teams who currently occupy NFL stadiums get their own stadium on campus?  

 

I entered the conversation after BBTV pointed out that Temple TRIED to get an on-campus stadium (even including a rendering), which was not shot down  by lack of sites on-campus or how it would PHYSICALLY work, but was shot down by NIMBY neighbors around the campus.   A cursory Google search shows MULTIPLE plans for how a stadium could be sited and WAS planned on-campus at Temple, including not just BBTV's rendering example, but the following:

Again, it was doable on their site, but was shot down by others outside of Temple's campus. 

 

I also came in after Sykotyk explained that Pittsburgh had a conscious decision the other way, to REMOVE their on-campus stadium in favor of a new arena and move in to an NFL stadium.  That's a different situation.

 

My point is that it is MUCH better for a college team to play on, or at least NEAR their campus in their own stadium for the reasons I listed, certainly opposed to an NFL stadium.   And as we have been seeing in the last twenty years, that has been the trend:

Tulane- Superdome to  Yulman
Minnesota - Metrodome to Huntington Bank Stadium

Houston - Astrodome to TDECU Stadium
SMU - Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium to  Gerald J. Ford Stadium

UCF - moving from Raymond James to their own stadium
 

And, down in Miami, you have wealthy U alumnus John Ruiz working to get a new Hurricane football stadium in Tropical Park:

It's not exactly on campus; it's three miles away, as opposed to the 20ish miles away it is to Hard Rock Stadium (or the six miles it was to the old Orange Bowl).   And similar to  the situation in Temple, there is a lot of citizen/public opposition.  I think that if that doesn't pan out, there could be enough room to tightly fit one on-campus at UM ( if the administration was behind it), in one of these two areas outlined in yellow:

Then there is still one of the worst off-campus situations in college football: UCLA playing at the Rose Bowl  -- 30 miles away from the campus. 

 

Way back in the day,  UCLA used to share the LA Memorial Coliseum with the USC Trojans (whose campus is essentially next door to that stadium) AND the Los Angles Rams.  That was still 15 miles away from the campus.

Back in the early 1960s, an on-campus facility was discussed, but faced significant political opposition, including from the governor at the time, Edmund "Pat" Brown .   A 44,000 seat stadium on-campus appeared in the 1963 Long Range Plan, at the site where track and field Drake Stadium eventually was built.  However, that proposal was blocked by influential area residents, as well as other politicians.  NIMBYs, yet again. 

 

[Germanshepherd]

1 hour ago, MJWalker45 said:

Still not as bad as one college coach that wears a baseball cap and a t-shirt with the sleeves cut off. I wish I could remember the game though. He coaches Charlotte now, but this was him last year.

 

I will not tolerate this Biff slander