Division 1 College Conference Realignment

[sportsfan7]

Personally, I think that if the Pac-xx implodes that Stanford and Berkley will play football as independents and join the WCC for everything else.

[McCall]

1 minute ago, sportsfan7 said:

Personally, I think that if the Pac-xx implodes that Stanford and Berkley will play football as independents and join the WCC for everything else.

Cal? I mean, possibly. But Stanford? Now way. They're pretty big in sports other than football (basketball, baseball...). They'd either go Independent or end up in the Big Ten or Big XII. I think the Big XII would love to get in the California market and Stanford would be a good choice, good standing in athletics AND academics.

[JayMac]

I figure that the carcass of the Pac-12 will consist of Washington State, Oregon State, and maybe Cal and Stanford.

[LMU]

The WCC is solely religious (or formerly religious private), smaller schools (BYU was an anomaly). Stanford and Cal don’t fit the profile at all.

[jlog3000]

35 minutes ago, LMU said:

The WCC is solely religious (or formerly religious private), smaller schools (BYU was an anomaly). Stanford and Cal don’t fit the profile at all.

 

My thoughts exactly. Cuz I was about to say. Schools like Denver or Seattle (former WCC member) would fit such a description rather than Stanford and/or Cal. If another Pac-12/10 school gets an invite to the Big XII, then the Pac-12 will be doomed.

 

And a bit off-topic, but can someone explain to me why is it OK for a single-sport conference to have the word "athletic" on its name like the "United Athletic Conference", where it solely will sponsor just one sport and has no clear interest to add other sports? Help me make it make sense. I'm dying to know.

[Gary]

Was hearing today that the Big 12 isn't done. Eying the Arizona schools and Utah. With Arizona Board of Regents meeting next week to discuss the move. If this happens, do we see the Pacific ??? Conference going after the Mountain West and SMU?

[FiddySicks]

I mean Colorado is just going to go to the Big 12 and be just as irrelevant as they were in the PAC 12 (and the first time they were in the Big 12). Colorado and Utah were both pretty bold moves by the PAC, but the truth is neither is a very good fit. Utah at least made it work but Colorado never found their footing. 
 

College sports is basically dead on the west coast anyway, so even if the PAC completely implodes (which I still don’t think it will), oh well. Not many are really going to miss it anymore. 

[SeaTac]

Once Gonzaga jumps, Seattle can replace them in the WCC. 

[McCall]

2 hours ago, jlog3000 said:

 

My thoughts exactly. Cuz I was about to say. Schools like Denver or Seattle (former WCC member) would fit such a description rather than Stanford and/or Cal. If another Pac-12/10 school gets an invite to the Big XII, then the Pac-12 will be doomed.

 

And a bit off-topic, but can someone explain to me why is it OK for a single-sport conference to have the word "athletic" on its name like the "United Athletic Conference", where it solely will sponsor just one sport and has no clear interest to add other sports? Help me make it make sense. I'm dying to know.

Is a single sport still not "athletic"? Also, the fact that you used the singular "athletic" instead of "athletics" kinda contradicts your own question. Also, they can call themselves whatever they want. You might literally be the only person I've ever heard complain about something like this.

[Geoff]

4 hours ago, LMU said:

Amazing how Colorado bolts right after SDSU opted back into the MWC.  Nice timing, Kliavkoff.

SDSU absolutely wants, or at least wanted to, go to the PAC. The issue was the TV deal wasn't done. It's hard to budget against TV revenue and make a decision if you don't know what the number is.

 

Kliavkoff potentially let it slip at PAC-12 media days that the deal is done saying that they didn't want to announce the TV deal that day because they wanted the day to be about football. That sounds a lot like "a done deal that'll be announced next week" but it likely got delayed once people got whiffs of CU making a move.

[jlog3000]

1 hour ago, McCall said:

Is a single sport still not "athletic"? Also, the fact that you used the singular "athletic" instead of "athletics" kinda contradicts your own question. Also, they can call themselves whatever they want. You might literally be the only person I've ever heard complain about something like this.

 

You're damn right I'm "complaining" according to you, and you just proved my point. Why protecting or defending or justifying a single-sport league to call such as they please knowing that it will just sponsor only one sport? Doesn't that seem a bit absurd? I think United Football Conference would had make a bit sense by name instead. Plus, I have the right to speak out an opinion as I want too, even if no one else for all I care about is asking for it. I'm not doing this to bash it out, or otherwise it would be silly and nonsensical. I think it's pretty obvious, and you don't see any other single-sport leagues that had existed or are currently existing using the "athletic" or "athletics" name; they have a name based on that singe sport and for a good reason. Like for instance: the Continental Lacrosse Conference (and it only sponsor lacrosse) or even the MVFC [or Missouri Valley Football Conference] (and it just has football).  Besides, "athletics" is a non-countable noun , while "athletic" is an adjective.

[BBTV]

I use an overused expression, this is a very strange hill to die on.

[Red Wolf]

If the Pac-12 fully collapsed, Cal and Stanford could find homes if they wanted. They just might not be happy with those homes.

 

I mean, shoot your shot. Arkansas State used to be in the Big West. Twice, even. So I mean...

[buckeye]

Adding SDSU, Boise and Fresno would be no brainers I'd think out of that group, if they really do end up trying to expand. I'd throw UNLV and Colorado St. in the mix to get to 14, or 12, or 10, depending what other schools end up leaving. I think it's only a matter of time before Oregon and UW head to the B1G and a couple others leave for the Big XII. Not great what you're left with after that regardless.

[Sec19Row53]

10 minutes ago, buckeye said:

Adding SDSU, Boise and Fresno would be no brainers I'd think out of that group, if they really do end up trying to expand. I'd throw UNLV and Colorado St. in the mix to get to 14, or 12, or 10, depending what other schools end up leaving. I think it's only a matter of time before Oregon and UW head to the B1G and a couple others leave for the Big XII. Not great what you're left with after that regardless.

UW is already in the B1G 

Let's Go Red!

[colinturner95]

33 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

If the Pac-12 fully collapsed, Cal and Stanford could find homes if they wanted. They just might not be happy with those homes.

 

I mean, shoot your shot. Arkansas State used to be in the Big West. Twice, even. So I mean...

Understanding that geography doesn't mean that much anymore but:

 

SDSU and Fresno helps kind of offset the loss of the LA market. 

Boise State at least brings you football competition (I know the academics fall short of PAC standards)

UNLV brings the Vegas market i guess? 

 

SMU would get you Texas. 

 

If Washington or Oregon jump though, I think it becomes much more dire for the PAC's continued existence. 

 

 

 

[jlog3000]

24 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said:

UW is already in the B1G 

Let's Go Red!

 

LOL, nice pun. But jokes aside, there is more than UW in college sports (even in D-I). Obviously it's Washington.

 

34 minutes ago, buckeye said:

Adding SDSU, Boise and Fresno would be no brainers I'd think out of that group, if they really do end up trying to expand. I'd throw UNLV and Colorado St. in the mix to get to 14, or 12, or 10, depending what other schools end up leaving. I think it's only a matter of time before Oregon and UW head to the B1G and a couple others leave for the Big XII. Not great what you're left with after that regardless.

 

That core of schools from the MW would make sense in a market standpoint, and in a way to offset the upcoming losses (now Colorado being in the mix officially after yesterday, and before the Buffaloes, it was UCLA and USC). However, if the remaining long-lasting schools like an Oregon or a Washington or an Oregon State or a Washington State would move to either the Big TEN or the Big XII, then I guess the Pac-X (12, 10, 8, etc.) would need to just have talks with the remaining MW schools and form some merger.

 

Because let's face it, college football in the West Coast as a whole has been in dire shape since many low level schools from the FCS and under had either dropped the sport or shut down its athletics programs altogether back in the 70s or 80s or 90s (from Cal State-Northridge to Pacific (Cal.) to Long Beach State, among others). Hence the top schools within that region remained strong to survive such impact since the formation of the Pac-10 (when the Pac-8 got Arizona and Arizona State from the WAC).

[McCall]

If Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Washington and Oregon leave, the Pac-12 is done as a power conference, no matter who they add or if they merge with the MWC. Stanford would probably be out the door as well at that point. Probably rather go independent than stay put. Because the Pac really would just be the MWC, much like Conference USA basically became the American and all the bigger, more prominent schools left.

[Sec19Row53]

56 minutes ago, jlog3000 said:

 

LOL, nice pun. But jokes aside, there is more than UW in college sports (even in D-I). Obviously it's Washington.

 

Yeah, there's only so many ways you can parse those initials. I've thought about doing polls about who is IU, UK, KU, UT, UM, OSU, UW, and probably others I'm forgetting. I'm sure I won't, but I'd be curious on some of these and how they're viewed as a whole.

[jlog3000]

Is being a full independent considered an option for any of the remaining Pac schools, should they don't get a different conference home? Also, would the ACC consider do a Big TEN by grabbing a few Pac schools for expansion?