YessSir32 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Wow, all this ripping on Comerica. I think those "goofy" tigers on the scoreboard are cool and so do many others. The Tigers all around the park represent the team name. While a train doesn't represent the Astros in any way. Detroit Falcons (NABL) | Detroit Gears (UFL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanesCop86 Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I stand corrected on Comerica then. I dont get to see much of AL parks as I watch mainly NL baseball. Comerica just went up in my book for having that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 I don't want the Astros to cater to a space-theme, I just want them to not do the complete opposite of their name.I've said it before, but their ballpark is semi-permanent and fairly retro. They have no choice to embrace it. But they can embrace both. Go Jetson's on that . Give me a neo-retro space-age theme. That's the ticket.That's why something based on the shooting star jerseys would be good, but by no means should they cop out and just use the shooting stars jersey.As for the stadium, even if I allow the short left porch (I don't--they still could have made it a little longer by not putting rows of seats there), they still need to dump the hill, dump the flag pole, and dump the "fowl" ads.Couldn't agree more, I've been advocating a "googie" Astros identity for quite awhile now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C's Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Frankly, "Traditions" are just gimmicks that have been left in place for long enough. I have no objection to the Houston train, and more than I do with the Ivy in Wrigley.100 times this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouj Posted July 2, 2012 Author Share Posted July 2, 2012 If we can get off the stadium discussion for a moment, this is via the Uni Watch ticker (I've heard similar in another place too):-----A little birdie checks in with the following: ?I have a friend who works for the Astros, and he caught a glimpse of the logo and wordmark the club sent up to MLB for approval. His description was that it?s the same star they are using now, except a little ?sharper,? and in blue and orange. The wordmark uses a font that is similar to what they were using in the ?60s and ?70s. No word on the uniform, though.?-----So it looks like what Crane meant when he said combining old & new was the new hat and the shooting star wordmark. Social Media Relations Director Alyson Footer also said last week, on her last day with the Astros, that she'd seen the new unis and they were great. Go Astros!Go Texans!Go Rockets!Go Javelinas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I'm sorry but?actually, no I ain't sorry, but still?there is nothing "shooting" about that '60s/'70s star...or thethe currentcase cap star, for thatthe matter. If anything, it's a "stagnant" star. Those three little streaks do nothing to convey motion (to me, anyway). For my money, there's only one proper shooting star set, and that's the early-mid nineties set?which actually conveyed motion.But, at least it's been half-confirmed as to which route they're going...safe, and predictable. *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaydre1019 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Man I will be so disappointed of that's true and we don't go back to the H Star caps. Like so disappointed I might have to start using hashtags to express my disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I thought for sure the broken star logo would be gone. It's a shame that it may be sticking around even loger. In addition to just being bad looking, it's simply not iconic enough to stand on its own without some kind of initial to go along with it. Is the star broken for a particular symbolic reason? Are the parts of the star by the opening supposed to create a shooting effect (like as if the design was the negative space on the inside rather than the lines on the outside? Or is it just "because"? "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njmeadowlanders Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I thought for sure the broken star logo would be gone. It's a shame that it may be sticking around even loger. In addition to just being bad looking, it's simply not iconic enough to stand on its own without some kind of initial to go along with it. Is the star broken for a particular symbolic reason? Are the parts of the star by the opening supposed to create a shooting effect (like as if the design was the negative space on the inside rather than the lines on the outside? Or is it just "because"?I always thought the reason it was broken was to fit it in like this:And they just kept it broken when they moved to then-Enron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I thought for sure the broken star logo would be gone. It's a shame that it may be sticking around even loger. In addition to just being bad looking, it's simply not iconic enough to stand on its own without some kind of initial to go along with it. Is the star broken for a particular symbolic reason? Are the parts of the star by the opening supposed to create a shooting effect (like as if the design was the negative space on the inside rather than the lines on the outside? Or is it just "because"?If you're gonna have that star, there should be no letter(s) with it. That would just clutter it up. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I thought for sure the broken star logo would be gone. It's a shame that it may be sticking around even loger. In addition to just being bad looking, it's simply not iconic enough to stand on its own without some kind of initial to go along with it. Is the star broken for a particular symbolic reason? Are the parts of the star by the opening supposed to create a shooting effect (like as if the design was the negative space on the inside rather than the lines on the outside? Or is it just "because"?If you're gonna have that star, there should be no letter(s) with it. That would just clutter it up.Then don't have that star... or have a hybrid where the H is on the left and the horizontal bar connects to and becomes the left part of a smaller star. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruColor Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I've mentioned this a couple of times in the past, but I have a very reliable source that the reason behind the "open star" has to do with Converse having an issue with their former star.For some reason, the original star mark (despite the "H" in the middle) was too reminiscent of the Converse star; the open one was created to distance itself from anything resembling Converse.It sounds like a load of hooey to me as well, but there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 Someone mentioned it had to do with resembling some type of pin astronauts who have been to space wear or something. Either way, the current star is by far the best logo they've ever had. The H star clip art is downright awful and has no business being anywhere near a sports uniform ever again. There is a reason it was changed in the first place, and the reason is because it absolutely sucked. IMO, the current star is very iconic. It's simple, classy, and conveys exactly what it tries to in a very simple package. It's easily my favorite cap logo in all of baseball and I'm stoked it's sticking around. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 I wouldn't call it "iconic" by any means (there's only a handful of "iconic" logos in MLB), but it's not as bad as some have made it out to be. I liked the H Star logo, but unless it was given some update, it seems like it's wanted to comeback for pure retro's sake. https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolvikings Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 The current star is by far the best logo they've ever had. The H star clip art is downright awful and has no usiness being anywhere near a sports uniform ever again. There is a reason it was changed in the first place, and the reason is because it absolutely sucked. IMO, the current star is very iconic. It's simple, classy, and conveys exactly what it tries to in a very simple package. It's easily my favorite cap logo in all of baseball and I'm stoked it's sticking around.Which just shows how different people can see the same thing in totally different ways. To me, the current randomly lopped-off star is pretty dull, and completely meaningless. I can see absolutely no purpose behind the missing bit... it certainly isn't aesthetic, and I don't get any meaning from it. I always thought of it as an arbitrary "clean-up" version of the 90' shooting star. I didn't care for that star either, but at least I got it... the missing piece was part of the motion. Now, it's just a chunk that's gone. IMO its a pretty lifeless image to have as a centerpiece for your francise. The "H" over/ star is probably my favorite MLB cap design ever. Calling it clip art is pretty funny... I'm guessing it predates the concept of clip art by more than a few years. If the old star is "clip art", so is the Cubs' little bear, the A's elephant, the Celtics' shamrock, certainly the Cowboys' star ... just about any older iconic and simplified logo. http://dstewartpaint.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted July 2, 2012 Share Posted July 2, 2012 To me, you can't get more clip art than their current open star. I swear that type of star was all over the place in the early 90s. I remember being surprised that they used it for exactly that reason. Very cheesy, very 90s. That being said, it wouldn't take much to make it actually mean something and thus be better by using the NASA logo as inspiration. I see an A in that rocket swoop. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zpqmaowl Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Doesn't look bad. the worst helmets design to me is the Jacksonville jaguars hamlets from 1995 to 2012 because you can't see the logo vary wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 First off, although I am not crazy about the current star, it is by far the best part of their current identity and the only part which is even worth considering porting over. That being said, I think it's a good logo. It doesn't look bad to me, but it's not terribly meaningful. It looks like it could be on the letterhead of any number of office supply companies or on the side of any HVAC truck.I think the Astros hat needs an H on it. Assuming Colorwerx is right and they aren't allowed to use an H in front of a star anymore, maybe an H shaped like a star would work. I have seen a few concepts of that which I didn't like, but I'm sure there is some way to make the H look like a star and still look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Or they could just use a simple letter on the cap like so many other teams. At least for an alt/BP. I kind of like the star turned up. The negative space seems more prominent and makes it feel like more motion is going on. I never understood the switch from the former motion star to this one, because it really felt like it lost something in the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webhamster Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Someone mentioned it had to do with resembling some type of pin astronauts who have been to space wear or something. It does.Once selected, astronauts wear this pin depicting the astronaut emblem (in silver) on their lapels. Once they have successfully flown a mission the silver pin is replaced with a gold version of the pin.If you look closely, the emblem also appears on the "astronaut wings" awarded by the various service branches to pilots who have flown in space:The negative space in the star clearly matches the outline of the astronaut emblem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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