pcgd Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 MLB outfield walls didn't have ads when I was growing up either.But they certainly did when your grandfather grew up…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianLion Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Is it possible to "appreciate the military" without wearing camo? It just comes off as pandering and a marketing opportunity now. I was in the Army. Teams wearing camo on their uniforms is irrelevant to me. If you want to appreciate the military give some comp tickets out to the service guys in town, donate to Wounded Warrior Project, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFanBudMan Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 MLB outfield walls didn't have ads when I was growing up either. But they certainly did when your grandfather grew up.Absolutely. Just providing a frame of reference for what seems "minor-league" to me, even if it isn't now or in the distant past.Promotional days that make their way onto the field during the game, via uniform or otherwise, fall into that category for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 If teams want to do it then so be it. Let's not turn this thread into something weird...Let's not comment on what teams are wearing? Don't you realize the forum you are on?You kind of missed the point...Let's not turn this into something weird, like a "I love the military and camo is the best thing in sports" vs. "The military sucks and I hate seeing teams being jingoistic". That gamut has run its course.I don't recall any post in this thread stating that the military sucks. Accusing teams of pandering isn't the same as being anti-military. An opinion of pandering is perfectly valid for this thread. Opinions on the military's effectiveness or motives or anything else would be a thread for the lounge.. or some other message board entirely.If you can't understand why many people are against these bogus tributes without assuming that it's because people are anti-military, then you're too biased to participate. I was taking both sides to the extreme. Too biased to participate? Hahaha ok. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Fair enough but it's a big generalization to equate people who are against teams wearing camo and staging "military appreciation nights" with being "anti-military". In fact, that's probably one of the biggest things wrong with the whole thing - once teams broke through that door and started doing camo and special caps and patches and stuff, it's reached the point where if a team doesn't do that, then they're obviously anti military commies who support the terrorists. It's possible to support the military while being against garish spectacles.My personal feelings for or against our military have less than nothing to do with my opposition to these types of bogus tributes, which I feel are simply merchandising opportunities cleverly hidden behind a veil of patriotism. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcgd Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 MLB outfield walls didn't have ads when I was growing up either. But they certainly did when your grandfather grew up.Absolutely. Just providing a frame of reference for what seems "minor-league" to me, even if it isn't now or in the distant past.Promotional days that make their way onto the field during the game, via uniform or otherwise, fall into that category for me.I agree. Just have always been bothered by the argument that "ads don't belong in the game" when they've been there since the beginning. Its ok to say they don't belong, in some ways I agree, but I think many people (probably not you) believe this is a modern development when its just not true. If anything its returning to the "glory" years of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Fair enough but it's a big generalization to equate people who are against teams wearing camo and staging "military appreciation nights" with being "anti-military". In fact, that's probably one of the biggest things wrong with the whole thing - once teams broke through that door and started doing camo and special caps and patches and stuff, it's reached the point where if a team doesn't do that, then they're obviously anti military commies who support the terrorists. It's possible to support the military while being against garish spectacles.My personal feelings for or against our military have less than nothing to do with my opposition to these types of bogus tributes, which I feel are simply merchandising opportunities cleverly hidden behind a veil of patriotism.I'll agree that the merchandise aspect of it is out of hand. 19,000 versions of digicam hats dilutes the meaning of the tribute.The way teams did it in the early 90s is far better than it is now. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Fair enough but it's a big generalization to equate people who are against teams wearing camo and staging "military appreciation nights" with being "anti-military". In fact, that's probably one of the biggest things wrong with the whole thing - once teams broke through that door and started doing camo and special caps and patches and stuff, it's reached the point where if a team doesn't do that, then they're obviously anti military commies who support the terrorists. It's possible to support the military while being against garish spectacles.My personal feelings for or against our military have less than nothing to do with my opposition to these types of bogus tributes, which I feel are simply merchandising opportunities cleverly hidden behind a veil of patriotism.Exactly. As BrianLion mentions above, it's very possible to support the military while calling out these cynical marketing opportinities for what they are. The fact that being opposed to camo uniforms could possibly be construed as an "anti-military" position shows how wrongheaded and even dangerous these "tributes" really are. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 In fact, that's probably one of the biggest things wrong with the whole thing - once teams broke through that door and started doing camo and special caps and patches and stuff, it's reached the point where if a team doesn't do that, then they're obviously anti military commies who support the terrorists. Absolutely. It's the same thing with the NFL going over-the-top on pink during October, except what the NFL does is about 1000x worse than MLB. "We care so much about this cause that we're going to destroy our uniforms for a quarter of the season," which of course shows that "if you aren't willing to destroy your uniforms to the same degree, you must love cancer." Like I said, what baseball teams are doing hasn't reached the degree the NFL does (yet), but it's still above what would be a respectable tribute. Both leagues can honor the troops or raise cancer awareness without bastardizing their teams' uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 In fact, that's probably one of the biggest things wrong with the whole thing - once teams broke through that door and started doing camo and special caps and patches and stuff, it's reached the point where if a team doesn't do that, then they're obviously anti military commies who support the terrorists. Absolutely. It's the same thing with the NFL going over-the-top on pink during October, except what the NFL does is about 1000x worse than MLB. "We care so much about this cause that we're going to destroy our uniforms for a quarter of the season," which of course shows that "if you aren't willing to destroy your uniforms to the same degree, you must love cancer." Like I said, what baseball teams are doing hasn't reached the degree the NFL does (yet), but it's still above what would be a respectable tribute. Both leagues can honor the troops or raise cancer awareness without bastardizing their teams' uniforms.Yeah.I don't now if it's "1000x" worse (though it's a quarter of the season vs. about 4/162 of the season-save the Padres, so I see your argument), but I really, really hope that there is "going back" on this. I like tasteful tributes...I like that the Twins have veterans raise the flag during the National Anthem every game...The vet gets their name and accomplishments called out and gets a nice ovation (and game tickets, I assume). There are other tasteful things that can be done. But to make sure it's ever-present on the field is silly...yeah, I know, there are a lot of things more important than the game I am watching but I'd like to see the teams just say "let's trust the fans to deal with what's important on their own time. This is a diversion."Similarly, there is probably a lot of good a juggernaut like the NFL can do for cancer. I don't care if they pink up their score bug for a month. Or maybe auction off game-worn stuff every October. I could even live with pink sideline caps (though for one week; not one month). But does the one league that best understands "brand" really need to clutter the on-field uniforms in pink? For a month? My dad died of cancer and my mom has had breast cancer...I want awareness and successful research. But it's not why I watch football. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldRoman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I think the NFL is 1000x worse due to the massive exposure they get and the self-fellating effort they put into hyping up that they're raising awareness. They aired a commercial last year saying that they saved a woman's life! She had forgotten she had breasts before seeing Bart Scott wearing pink shoes! They also have camo patches and hats for Military month in November, but it hasn't transferred over to camo socks and armbands yet. If we get to camo shoes and socks, it will be an entire half of the NFL season in which teams aren't wearing their actual uniforms. In baseball, it's just a few games which will be seen regionally, and they don't put the effort into promoting how good they are for doing such a thing. It seems much less grating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jim Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Someone has made this point in the past and I always thought it was an excellent one...If I have waited all my life to watch the Yankees play in person and it is my once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do so, I am going to be disappointed if, when I get there, I can't see the logo on the front of the jersey or the number on the back of the jersey because they are applied in some gimmicky camo pattern. People who bought their tickets to yesterday's game months ago probably had no idea they were going to pull this stunt on that given day. Off-topic, but sorta along the same lines, I guess: Is "God Bless America" going to be a part of the game from now on? Should MLB consider adding "My Country Tis Of Thee" at the end of the second inning and "America The Beautiful" at the end of the fourth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBoy Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Looks like the Orioles have made the orange alts full time Saturday alts, not just home Saturday games. They've been doing it the last few weeks now. I actually think it looks better w/ the road hat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I wish the O's would move the Orange jersey to Friday games and ditch the black, or just ditch the black in general. There's honestly no reason, in my mind, for a team called the Orioles to be wearing a black jersey. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Idiot Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I wish the O's would move the Orange jersey to Friday games and ditch the black, or just ditch the black in general. There's honestly no reason, in my mind, for a team called the Orioles to be wearing a black jersey.Yeah, no reason at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruColor Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Off-topic, but sorta along the same lines, I guess: Is "God Bless America" going to be a part of the game from now on? Should MLB consider adding "My Country Tis Of Thee" at the end of the second inning and "America The Beautiful" at the end of the fourth? Back in the '80s, a bunch of my fellow North Texas musicians and I would go down to Arlington Stadium a few times a year to catch the Rangers. Most of us were from outside Texas, and never understood the playing of Cotton-Eyed Joe during the 7th inning stretch. So we would stand up and sing Take Me Out To The Ballgame at the top of our lungs in defiance. Good times. In blistering heat, usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Back in the '80s, a bunch of my fellow North Texas musicians and I would go down to Arlington Stadium a few times a year to catch the Rangers. Most of us were from outside Texas, and never understood the playing of Cotton-Eyed Joe during the 7th inning stretch.I still don't understand why the ing Yankees play that horrid song... The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Don't the Texas teams both do Deep In The Heart of Texas during the 7th inning stretch, or is that just the Astros? On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Angels use Build Me Up Buttercup. Which doesn't make sense because it's about how the singer gets let down by the person he's singing about.Which makes even less sense because the Angels original owner was known for being a singing cowboy and they don't use one of his songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutmasterflex Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 The Angels use Build Me Up Buttercup. Which doesn't make sense because it's about how the singer gets let down by the person he's singing about.Which makes even less sense because the Angels original owner was known for being a singing cowboy and they don't use one of his songs.I've been to several angels games over the years and they don't play songs during the game that get people excited. Go A's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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