Billy B Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I wonder what the NFL is losing by continuing to push the terrible screened jerseys at $80. For the average user, if you go to NFL.com, your options are $80 for crap, or $300 for "authentic." You go to eBay, and you see tons of sewn, nicer jerseys (certainly compared to the screened) for $50-$75. If you're not aware of the illegalities, you'd be dumb to go for the screened version.Yes, there is such a thing as too good to be true, but I think (as I've said before in this thread) the NFL is in part creating this second-hand marker by the way its official items are priced. Note: I'm not making a moral or legal argument; only an economic one.Don't they still have their equivalent to the NBA's old swingman? I got a Bears one last year and I believe it was $100. Numbers and names are sewn on one layer with the other layers screenprinted on top of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADW77 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I wonder what the NFL is losing by continuing to push the terrible screened jerseys at $80. For the average user, if you go to NFL.com, your options are $80 for crap, or $300 for "authentic." You go to eBay, and you see tons of sewn, nicer jerseys (certainly compared to the screened) for $50-$75. If you're not aware of the illegalities, you'd be dumb to go for the screened version.Yes, there is such a thing as too good to be true, but I think (as I've said before in this thread) the NFL is in part creating this second-hand marker by the way its official items are priced. Note: I'm not making a moral or legal argument; only an economic one.Don't they still have their equivalent to the NBA's old swingman? I got a Bears one last year and I believe it was $100. Numbers and names are sewn on one layer with the other layers screenprinted on top of that.Yes, they're called premier jerseys, and they are most definitely still available.I don't understand what's so bad about the screened replicas. I never pay full price for them (got several at the Broncos team store for half price on black friday) and the material is actually quite durable. I've never had issues with them. Only when I was younger and thought nothing of throwing them in the dryer like other clothes. FDCO Fonts NFL Re-Design Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Basically, it's impossible to even make an argument with some of the stubborn people in this thread. A typical exchange goes as:Person 1: If I can get a jersey for cheap, I don't care that it's illegal and I'm going to buy it.Person 2: You're saying that there is no legal issue with buying counterfit jerseys, you are entitled to a jersey at a lower price, and doing things illegal isn't bad. It is also ok to kill people. That is exactly what you're saying.Wow, that's so far off you have no idea.BTW, one of the members on your 'side' is the one that started comparing one illegal activity to another with his, "well, you speed so you're just as guilty because you commit crime too."But it really isn't. Every time I've posted in this thread my message has had the same general gist: If I can buy a jersey for less money from a China counterfit site, I don't care that it's illegal, and I'm going to do it.The responses I get:-You're claiming that you're entitled to a jersey at a lower price-You're saying that doing illegal things is ok, so it's also OK to rob a bank-You're saying there's no legal issue with what you're doing^NO! I'm not saying any of that. "If I can buy a jersey for less money from a China counterfit site, I don't care that it's illegal, and I'm going to do it." - period. It's a simple as that. And a question that I have for everyone so against others buying one counterfit jersey: Why do you care? In what way will this affect your life? Yes, I know it's illegal, but it really can't be compared to murder or robbing a bank. If anything, buying a counterfit jersey is equivilant to smoking pot. Yeah, it's illegal, but why would it really bother one's neighbors?And yes, I'm prepared for all of the angry and sarcastic responses that I'm going to get for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OMMF Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Why do you care? Indeed. If you don't care that it's illegal, why are you coming in here trying to defend your purchase? Just like the "wrestling is fake" and "soccer isn't real football" comments, if you really don't care about the topic or the opinion of those that disagree with you, don't join the conversation. Or better yet, start a topic about why you like counterfeit jerseys and show all the great examples of their high quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzaman7294 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Basically, it's impossible to even make an argument with some of the stubborn people in this thread. A typical exchange goes as:Person 1: If I can get a jersey for cheap, I don't care that it's illegal and I'm going to buy it.Person 2: You're saying that there is no legal issue with buying counterfit jerseys, you are entitled to a jersey at a lower price, and doing things illegal isn't bad. It is also ok to kill people. That is exactly what you're saying.Wow, that's so far off you have no idea.BTW, one of the members on your 'side' is the one that started comparing one illegal activity to another with his, "well, you speed so you're just as guilty because you commit crime too."But it really isn't. Every time I've posted in this thread my message has had the same general gist: If I can buy a jersey for less money from a China counterfit site, I don't care that it's illegal, and I'm going to do it.The responses I get:-You're claiming that you're entitled to a jersey at a lower price-You're saying that doing illegal things is ok, so it's also OK to rob a bank-You're saying there's no legal issue with what you're doing^NO! I'm not saying any of that. "If I can buy a jersey for less money from a China counterfit site, I don't care that it's illegal, and I'm going to do it." - period. It's a simple as that. And a question that I have for everyone so against others buying one counterfit jersey: Why do you care? In what way will this affect your life? Yes, I know it's illegal, but it really can't be compared to murder or robbing a bank. If anything, buying a counterfit jersey is equivilant to smoking pot. Yeah, it's illegal, but why would it really bother one's neighbors?And yes, I'm prepared for all of the angry and sarcastic responses that I'm going to get for this.yes, because the smoke could come into my house and ruin my lungs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share Posted December 12, 2011 I wonder what the NFL is losing by continuing to push the terrible screened jerseys at $80. For the average user, if you go to NFL.com, your options are $80 for crap, or $300 for "authentic." You go to eBay, and you see tons of sewn, nicer jerseys (certainly compared to the screened) for $50-$75. If you're not aware of the illegalities, you'd be dumb to go for the screened version.Yes, there is such a thing as too good to be true, but I think (as I've said before in this thread) the NFL is in part creating this second-hand marker by the way its official items are priced. Note: I'm not making a moral or legal argument; only an economic one.The problem is one can make an economic argument to justify any illegal activity. PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I wonder what the NFL is losing by continuing to push the terrible screened jerseys at $80. For the average user, if you go to NFL.com, your options are $80 for crap, or $300 for "authentic." You go to eBay, and you see tons of sewn, nicer jerseys (certainly compared to the screened) for $50-$75. If you're not aware of the illegalities, you'd be dumb to go for the screened version.Yes, there is such a thing as too good to be true, but I think (as I've said before in this thread) the NFL is in part creating this second-hand marker by the way its official items are priced. Note: I'm not making a moral or legal argument; only an economic one.The problem is one can make an economic argument to justify any illegal activity.I could name a hundred things I feel are overpriced...including cars. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." Â BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve03Merc Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 So go buy a cheap, Chinatown knockoff of a car, see where that gets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 went to the bears/broncos game on sunday and I was shocked to see the amount of counterfeit jerseys at the stadium worn by both sides...I honestly think 40-50% of the jerseys that were worn were total fakes with the absolute worst offenders being the m&n throwbacks that had about a 10% authenticity rate.I knew fakes were out there and they had a share of the market but the nfl has a real problem on its hands, especially if they keep taking their prices up on replicas, fakes will outnumber legit product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhlyBoy Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Same in Wisconsin. I see so many counterfeit packer jerseys that it makes me sick. its ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 went to the bears/broncos game on sunday and I was shocked to see the amount of counterfeit jerseys at the stadium worn by both sides...I honestly think 40-50% of the jerseys that were worn were total fakes with the absolute worst offenders being the m&n throwbacks that had about a 10% authenticity rate.I knew fakes were out there and they had a share of the market but the nfl has a real problem on its hands, especially if they keep taking their prices up on replicas, fakes will outnumber legit product.Chicago ssems to be a hot bed for fakes with jerseys from the four major leagues. PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan33 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 NO! I'm not saying any of that. "If I can buy a jersey for less money from a China counterfit site, I don't care that it's illegal, and I'm going to do it." - period. It's a simple as that. And a question that I have for everyone so against others buying one counterfit jersey: Why do you care? In what way will this affect your life?Personally, I don't care. Not one bit. If people want to waste $50 dollars on a poorly constructed rag with bubbly crests, my advice is for them to knock themselves out. These people will never know the joy of owning the real deal nor will they ever appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into them (yes, to me jerseys are a work of art). Their loss.Yes, I know it's illegal, but it really can't be compared to murder or robbing a bank. If anything, buying a counterfit jersey is equivilant to smoking pot. Yeah, it's illegal, but why would it really bother one's neighbors?And yes, I'm prepared for all of the angry and sarcastic responses that I'm going to get for this.Not quite. Smoking pot doesn't harm anyone (including the smoker) which is why making it illegal is hypocritical and backwards. Supporting counterfeit merchandise on the other hand harms the bottom line of the company's making the real deal. You know, the products these boards are centered around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADW77 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 went to the bears/broncos game on sunday and I was shocked to see the amount of counterfeit jerseys at the stadium worn by both sides...I honestly think 40-50% of the jerseys that were worn were total fakes with the absolute worst offenders being the m&n throwbacks that had about a 10% authenticity rate.I knew fakes were out there and they had a share of the market but the nfl has a real problem on its hands, especially if they keep taking their prices up on replicas, fakes will outnumber legit product.Chicago ssems to be a hot bed for fakes with jerseys from the four major leagues.That was actually in Denver, and I know exactly what he means. Same deal as I mentioned earlier when I was at the Bengals/Broncos game. FDCO Fonts NFL Re-Design Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfurdell Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Here's a question from a purely economic standpoint; since we see so many knock-offs, doesn't that imply that the real thing is priced higher than the (sports jersey) economy can bear?Personally I love jerseys and have a bunch, but it's difficult to justify paying $300 for a shirt, no matter how authentic it is. What would a more fair price be for an authentic jersey? They need to find the right price point that allows them to be more attractive to the buyer; I think the counterfeiters would have a tough time staying in business. Surely these things would still be hugely profitable even with a massive price cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger77 Posted December 14, 2011 Author Share Posted December 14, 2011 Here's a question from a purely economic standpoint; since we see so many knock-offs, doesn't that imply that the real thing is priced higher than the (sports jersey) economy can bear?Personally I love jerseys and have a bunch, but it's difficult to justify paying $300 for a shirt, no matter how authentic it is. What would a more fair price be for an authentic jersey? They need to find the right price point that allows them to be more attractive to the buyer; I think the counterfeiters would have a tough time staying in business. Surely these things would still be hugely profitable even with a massive price cut.Can't that argument be made for any kind of theft, not just IP theft. There are a lot of things that I would like to have that are out of my price range, that does not mean that its ok for me to purchase them on the black market. Also, replicas are much less that $300, additionally, I have purchased many (litearlly dozens) of licensed jersey that are in great shape on the cheap through ebay. PotD May 11th, 2011looooooogodud: June 7th 2010 - July 5th 2012 Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DG_YouKnowWhatThatMeans Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Here's a question from a purely economic standpoint; since we see so many knock-offs, doesn't that imply that the real thing is priced higher than the (sports jersey) economy can bear?Personally I love jerseys and have a bunch, but it's difficult to justify paying $300 for a shirt, no matter how authentic it is. What would a more fair price be for an authentic jersey? They need to find the right price point that allows them to be more attractive to the buyer; I think the counterfeiters would have a tough time staying in business. Surely these things would still be hugely profitable even with a massive price cut.Can't that argument be made for any kind of theft, not just IP theft. There are a lot of things that I would like to have that are out of my price range, that does not mean that its ok for me to purchase them on the black market. Also, replicas are much less that $300, additionally, I have purchased many (litearlly dozens) of licensed jersey that are in great shape on the cheap through ebay.It's hardly jerseys that are knocked off. Watches, collectibles of all stripes, handbags, shoes and so on. There's a black market for every conceivable luxury good out there, and jerseys happen to be the one in our particular wheelhouse. I think they're becoming more apparent because the reseller market (like eBay) is flooded with them, and that's where people go when they either 1.) think nfl.com prices are a rip-off, or 2.) forgo the main retailers altogether because their buddy told them about a great deal online. I've made a variety of arguments in this thread, but in all honesty, I'm mostly coming to live-and-let-live. If you want to pay full price for jerseys on nfl.com, go for it. If you'd rather buy whatever you find on eBay, that's your right too. At this point, I think it's incumbent on the NFL to react to the secondhand market; either by strongly policing eBay, or by adjusting its prices on its jerseys available online. I'll also say that I'm not sure why anyone would take umbrage with "it's an economic argument," when it so clearly is. What you do with that statement is up to you -- I'm just stating that there is a basic economic issue at play. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sodboy13 Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 (spammy spam spam)Oh man, in this thread, of all places. On 1/25/2013 at 1:53 PM, 'Atom said: For all the bird de lis haters I think the bird de lis isnt supposed to be a pelican and a fleur de lis I think its just a fleur de lis with a pelicans head. Thats what it looks like to me. Also the flair around the tip of the beak is just flair that fleur de lis have sometimes source I am from NOLA. PotD: 10/19/07, 08/25/08, 07/22/10, 08/13/10, 04/15/11, 05/19/11, 01/02/12, and 01/05/12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvTheNats Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Spam seems to have really escalated on this site as of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyAnna Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Didn't take long for the new Blue Jays and Marlins jerseys to hit the China counterfit market. They are sneaky and fast! The Pike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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