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2 hours ago, DC in Da House w/o a Doubt said:

 

Furthermore -- National Car Rental is a sponsor at Nationals Park, home of the National League Champion Washington Nationals who play the national pastime in the nation's capital 

 

Team of Destiny.

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7 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

Make it “squids” and you’d have something. 

 

People do remember that the octopus has been a symbol of the Red Wings for over half a century, right? I know an octopus isn't exactly a squid, but it's close enough.

 

I'm not sure how a new fan in the league would feel about one of the most storied franchises throwing the corpse of their mascot onto the ice.

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On 10/25/2019 at 11:00 AM, gosioux76 said:

I fail to see how humans in 2019 would be confused by this at all. "You mean, we're just playing the team from Seattle? Not a whole division?" 

Somehow the Washington Nationals can exist in the National League without anyone thinking they're playing the NL all-star team. 

As someone who was alive during the time (but not conscious to the fact) there were two St. Louis Cardinals, one playing Baseball and the other Football, until 1987, this whole division thing seems like it wouldn't be a big deal. The two Cardinals in the same city, blows my mind. Did people buy tickets for the football team thinking they were getting baseball tickets? It had to happen, but I'm sure it was few and far between. I 'm with gosioux76 that I can wrap my head around a team and division/league having the same name and not getting confused by it.

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8 hours ago, jus2damcrazey219 said:

Wasnt Pittsburgh in the Northeast, historically?

 

The Panthers coming in and the Nordiques going out eventually kicked them up to the old Adams but no, they were with Philly and New York as soon as the league went to geographic divisions. Then they went back with the Mid-Atlantic teams as soon as Toronto moved to the East. It was a blip of maybe five years.

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14 hours ago, DastardlyRidleylash said:

Even still, the issue stands; what is the Metropolitan division often shortened to? The Metro Division. It'd be too confusing to have a division named the Metro and a team named the Metros.

 

Not really, tbh.

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15 hours ago, benpc21 said:

As someone who was alive during the time (but not conscious to the fact) there were two St. Louis Cardinals, one playing Baseball and the other Football, until 1987, this whole division thing seems like it wouldn't be a big deal. The two Cardinals int he same city, blows my mind. Did people buy tickets for the football team thinking they were getting baseball tickets? It had to happen, but I'm sure it was few and far between. I 'm with gosioux76 that I can wrap my head around a team and division/league having the same name and not getting confused by it.

Having just moved to St. Louis recently, I was surprised to come across old newspaper clips where the NFL team was referred commonly as "Big Red." Seems like that was a local differentiator. 

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I would like Metropolitans, because there would be some nice synergy between Metropolitans being shortened to Metros and Supersonics to Sonics.

 

Though I worry fans of the New York National League baseball team might be confused :ducks:

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19 hours ago, benpc21 said:

As someone who was alive during the time (but not conscious to the fact) there were two St. Louis Cardinals, one playing Baseball and the other Football, until 1987, this whole division thing seems like it wouldn't be a big deal. The two Cardinals int he same city, blows my mind. Did people buy tickets for the football team thinking they were getting baseball tickets? It had to happen, but I'm sure it was few and far between. I 'm with gosioux76 that I can wrap my head around a team and division/league having the same name and not getting confused by it.

 

Keep in mind that in the 80s, people had to go the the ticket window to buy tickets, so I'm guessing they knew what they were getting as they talked to the agent. 

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The football Cardinals mostly seemed to go by the Big Red.

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On 10/26/2019 at 11:10 AM, WSU151 said:

 

Keep in mind that in the 80s, people had to go the the ticket window to buy tickets, so I'm guessing they knew what they were getting as they talked to the agent. 

I think that's a solid point and something I did think about. Not sure if St. Louis is anything like where I grew up, but we often bought our event tickets at a local sporting goods store sold by a kid on the Ticketmaster system that was just text based, I could imagine issues happen, however not at the rate they do today with online ticketing. As someone who worked in ticketing, you'd be amazed at how often, especially with the implementation of the internet and secondary markets, people think they are getting one thing but it's really the other. I've had people show up for football games at the baseball stadium when there are both teams in the market and people show up for spring training games with tickets they bought online thinking they were getting tickets to a local game. So what am I saying? I still think Metropolitans could work!

 

Also, good to know the Football Cardinals were Big Red, that definitely helps make things a little clearer.

 

Speaking of tickets and Seattle, apparently the first online ticket sale occurred for an event in Seattle. Executives from the team and Ticketmaster were gathered to see the transaction take place in a soft launch type of scenario. A fan went online, bought a ticket and the transaction was done. To celebrate, they called him to tell him he'd just made history and had purchased the first online ticket and ask him about the experience. When they told him this, he responded by saying, "I did it so I didn't have to talk to anyone." and hung up!

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On 10/24/2019 at 5:36 AM, DastardlyRidleylash said:

I keep bringing this point up, but people chiding "Sockeyes" for being lame and unthreatening really have no ground to stand on when we have teams named the "Penguins", "Blues", "Maple Leafs" and "Ducks". None of those are scary names, so why should Seattle have to be the "Kraken" for their branding to be viewed as a success?

 

I can't remember any time in my life I've ran in abject horror and fear from a penguin or a maple leaf. 😛

 

To be fair, if either an emperor penguin or an armed rifleman charged at you while you were in their environment, I doubt you'd stay still for very long. 😄 (Emperor penguins can grow to be some pretty big buggers...and the Maple Leafs were supposedly named for the Maple Leaf Regiment in WWI--not unlike how the Blackhawks were named not for an animal or person but for a military unit that garnered that nickname.)

 

On 10/24/2019 at 3:51 PM, Walk-Off said:

Just to be clear, as popular choices for nicknames for a Seattle NHL team go, I think that Sockeyes is, at worst, a lesser evil than Kraken.  However, I regard Emeralds, Metropolitans, Pilots, and maybe even Evergreens as better choices than either Sockeyes or Kraken.  Furthermore, the only genuinely plausible justification that I can see for the team being named the Seattle Kraken is a desire for an association with a menacing creature (even if it is fictional) for the sake of (for lack of a more accurate term) challenging the Canucks' C-shsped orca emblem and the name and logo of the Sharks.

 

With that said, I wonder about the extent to which the people in charge of the Seattle NHL franchise are considering any not-so-obvious inspiration for the team's nickname.  For example, have bones or fossils of any predatory animal from the Ice Age ever been found in the ground underneath Seattle?  The Nashville Predators' primary logo was inspired a by a saber-toothed cat's skull that was excavated during the construction of a downtown Nashville skyscraper in the 1970s.  So, while Nashville has cornered the saber-toothed cat motif in the NHL, have the remains of, say, an American lion (Panthera atrox) ever been extracted from the ground in or near Seattle?  If the answer is "yes," then that could give a very different meaning to a "Seattle Sea Lions" identity. 😉

 

If not for the whole Native American naming controversy that currently exists in North American pro and college sports, I'd suggest the name "Chiefs". Yeah I know there's an NFL team with that name already, but there was also a Panthers team that began play in Florida before the Carolina Panthers came along, as well (though to be fair both franchises were founded the same year). More to my point, though, is the very source of the city's name itself: Chief Seattle (actually, Chief Si'ahl--but my point still stands.) But, again, controversy and thangs--and speaking of that...

 

On 10/25/2019 at 9:03 AM, jmac11281 said:

As long as they didn't shorten it to "Mets". That name is associated with a stink that you cannot wash off. 

 

The word you're looking for there is "stank". Say it out loud now: "staaannnk". Feel that down in your soul. 😁

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Again the issue with Sockeyes, or Seals, or Sea Lions for that matter(that I’m not saying is valid) isn’t that it’s non threatening. I think choosing a name based solely on how threatening it is is the dumbest possible rational you can have. It’s that these names are directly in the food chain for their division rivals. It would be like if San Antonio got an NFL team and named it the “Cattle”, or Baltimore getting an NHL team called the “Municipals”.

 

Again, I think Sockeyes is a fine name and have no issues with it, I’m just dreading the inevitable headlines and forum comments that are going to be awful puns  and such.

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29 minutes ago, Chromatic said:

Again the issue with Sockeyes, or Seals, or Sea Lions for that matter(that I’m not saying is valid) isn’t that it’s non threatening. I think choosing a name based solely on how threatening it is is the dumbest possible rational you can have. It’s that these names are directly in the food chain for their division rivals. It would be like if San Antonio got an NFL team and named it the “Cattle”, or Baltimore getting an NHL team called the “Municipals”.

 

Again, I think Sockeyes is a fine name and have no issues with it, I’m just dreading the inevitable headlines and forum comments that are going to be awful puns  and such.

 

Well Cattle and Municipals would be dumb names regardless of the context.

 

I don't think that's the biggest deal and I don't think it matters. The Ducks came into the league when one of their division rivals was (and is) a shark and another one of their division rivals tried to kill their mascot. In the same division, Golden Knights are lower in the monarchy than Kings but I haven't seen anybody make it a big deal of it.

 

And it's not like headlines can't already happen. "Sharks bite Ducks", "Flames extinguished by Oilers", "Jets grounded by Canucks", "Stars ask Predators to take a seat", etc.

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18 hours ago, Chromatic said:

Again the issue with Sockeyes, or Seals, or Sea Lions for that matter(that I’m not saying is valid) isn’t that it’s non threatening. I think choosing a name based solely on how threatening it is is the dumbest possible rational you can have. It’s that these names are directly in the food chain for their division rivals. It would be like if San Antonio got an NFL team and named it the “Cattle”, or Baltimore getting an NHL team called the “Municipals”.

 

Again, I think Sockeyes is a fine name and have no issues with it, I’m just dreading the inevitable headlines and forum comments that are going to be awful puns  and such.

 

There's a relatively simple (In theory, anyway) solution to this. Seattle will have to beat the Canucks on a regular basis, or at least be regularly competitive. The only way this really becomes an issue is if the Canucks constantly kick the crap out of the Seattle Future Whaleturds and it becomes this big stigma or something. If Seattle grinds the Canucks into dust, then that issue is solved and sort of just makes the Canucks look dumb. I'm all for making the Canucks look dumb. 

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1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

There's a relatively simple (In theory, anyway) solution to this. Seattle will have to beat the Canucks on a regular basis, or at least be regularly competitive. The only way this really becomes an issue is if the Canucks constantly kick the crap out of the Seattle Future Whaleturds and it becomes this big stigma or something. If Seattle grids the Canucks into dust, then that issue is solved and sort of just makes the Canucks look dumb. I'm all for making the Canucks look dumb. 

This is some pretty loopy reasoning 

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Just pick a good name, come up with a good logo and uniform, and don't worry about all that nonsense that only fools would even take serious.

 

Might I suggest the Seattle Super Metro Totebirds as a homage to all the previous teams that have called Seattle home.

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2 hours ago, M4One said:

Just pick a good name, come up with a good logo and uniform, and don't worry about all that nonsense that only fools would even take serious.

 

 

 

Amen.  

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3 hours ago, Chromatic said:

This is some pretty loopy reasoning 


So is using food chain puns as the basis for any decision.

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2 minutes ago, TalktoChuck said:


So is using food chain puns as the basis for any decision.

I agree, what kind of idiot would do that?

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