DeFrank 1,276 Posted April 10, 2018 I think it's fascinating to watch the Jaguars go through this process. In 2013, they're just another crappy Florida team stabbing in the dark, right next to the Buccaneers and Dolphins. I mean, if you're going to try and do what I'm doing here, which is try and draw conclusions about the franchise's outlook/performance and their uniform mindset, you've got to highlight how poetic it is that Justin Blackmon was the 2013 redesign poster child. The Jaguars are now experiencing a resurgence as a franchise. Coughlin, the defense, the AFC Championship game. It all feels different, much like "Seattle Seahawks" began to feel different between the "Beastquake" and the 2012 offseason/season (uniforms + Wilson + playoff appearance). I can't help but watch in a kind of amazement how once these uniforms are unveiled, this shift in our perception of the Jaguars will reach a tipping point. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WavePunter 2,093 Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, DeFrank said: I think it's fascinating to watch the Jaguars go through this process. In 2013, they're just another crappy Florida team stabbing in the dark, right next to the Buccaneers and Dolphins. I mean, if you're going to try and do what I'm doing here, which is try and draw conclusions about the franchise's outlook/performance and their uniform mindset, you've got to highlight how poetic it is that Justin Blackmon was the 2013 redesign poster child. The Jaguars are now experiencing a resurgence as a franchise. Coughlin, the defense, the AFC Championship game. It all feels different, much like "Seattle Seahawks" began to feel different between the "Beastquake" and the 2012 offseason/season (uniforms + Wilson + playoff appearance). I can't help but watch in a kind of amazement how once these uniforms are unveiled, this shift in our perception of the Jaguars will reach a tipping point. Like, we might respect the franchise again? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MCM0313 2,086 Posted April 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Clintau24 said: So, this was just posted today Coughlin's comments here and elsewhere have resonated with me recently. I think it's interesting that he speaks to having been involved in the original concept process, which means they started on this redesign very early once Coughlin was hired on. Also, have to think the leaks aren't entirely true based on these "traditional, classic, distinctive" "National Football League uniform" comments. Also, this: Can't speak to Cole's legitimacy here on this topic, but it is good to see gold isn't entirely gone, if this is true. Larger helmet logo is interesting. I sometimes feel like the logo could be larger, and I hope it's not too large. Just a small increase would be nice. Sounds good except for the flat helmet finish...and even that can look good, it just doesn't usually. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeFrank 1,276 Posted April 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, WavePunter said: Like, we might respect the franchise again? It's more like they respect themselves. We're kind of watching the team change how it views itself in front of our eyes. Paying attention to their Twitter presence, the choices they're making with these uniforms, etc. It all just feels like they're re-internalizing how they see themselves as an organization. Like, I don't think it was even possible for the Jaguars to have a sense of "tradition" in 2009 or 2013. It now feels like enough time has passed, this new success, fans expressing a desire for teal, that's made this sort of reevaluation possible. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gupti 1,758 Posted April 11, 2018 Something I’m on the edge of my seat for is Nike’s behind the scenes video they’re gonna release alongside this. I mean, they’re basically gonna have to come out and talk about how much they botched the one they just did 5 years ago, right? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sec19Row53 1,853 Posted April 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gupti said: Something I’m on the edge of my seat for is Nike’s behind the scenes video they’re gonna release alongside this. I mean, they’re basically gonna have to come out and talk about how much they botched the one they just did 5 years ago, right? Much like Mark McGwire in front of Congress, Nike won't be here to talk about the past. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clintau24 1,423 Posted April 11, 2018 45 minutes ago, DeFrank said: I think it's fascinating to watch the Jaguars go through this process. In 2013, they're just another crappy Florida team stabbing in the dark, right next to the Buccaneers and Dolphins. I mean, if you're going to try and do what I'm doing here, which is try and draw conclusions about the franchise's outlook/performance and their uniform mindset, you've got to highlight how poetic it is that Justin Blackmon was the 2013 redesign poster child. Hopefully Jacksonville goes with the anonymous player model instead of a roster player. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Claystation360 269 Posted April 11, 2018 Cole is legit, but it's not Flat unless something changed. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleVermilion81 1,402 Posted April 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Clintau24 said: Also, this: Can't speak to Cole's legitimacy here on this topic, but it is good to see gold isn't entirely gone, if this is true. Larger helmet logo is interesting. I sometimes feel like the logo could be larger, and I hope it's not too large. Just a small increase would be nice. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clintau24 1,423 Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, PaleVermilion81 said: Welp. 1 hour ago, Claystation360 said: Cole is legit, but it's not Flat unless something changed. It's been called flat/matte by many reporters, which is ultimately the same finish. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Claystation360 269 Posted April 11, 2018 Well, Cole does have a tendency to troll. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
henburg 724 Posted April 11, 2018 The Jaguars need gold to look great. Simply teal and black is too cold and dated looking to me. Outside of that, I really hope that the "distinctive" part of that tweet really shows through in the uniforms. That will be the key. Most Jaguars fans clearly want something more reserved, I just hope that they don't take it too far like those leaks may lead us to believe. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sec19Row53 1,853 Posted April 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Claystation360 said: Well, Cole does have a tendency to troll. So is he a troll or is he legit? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unimaniac 97 Posted April 11, 2018 12 hours ago, Gupti said: Tom Coughlin ? Music to my ears, tbqh. I’m hoping this doesn’t mean “we’re inventing a fauxback and wearing it full time,” 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JagAaron33 319 Posted April 11, 2018 34 minutes ago, unimaniac said: I’m hoping this doesn’t mean “we’re inventing a fauxback and wearing it full time,” I don't see anything wrong with this 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Claystation360 269 Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Sec19Row53 said: So is he a troll or is he legit? He is a legitimate source most times but also says stuff to troll folks but mostly opponents but normally it's simple enough to read between the lines with him when he does. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Squared 2,478 Posted April 11, 2018 14 hours ago, WavePunter said: Like, we might respect the franchise again? I never really respected them in the first place... I always felt that their early success was handed to them via cartoonish expansion advantages, presumably to ensure success in a new market... after that first wave of talent faded, they became pretty irrelevant until recently. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WSU151 6,087 Posted April 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, C-Squared said: I never really respected them in the first place... I always felt that their early success was handed to them via cartoonish expansion advantages, presumably to ensure success in a new market... after that first wave of talent faded, they became pretty irrelevant until recently. I'd say most of their success was due to Tom Coughlin rather than cartoonish expansion advantages. Mark Brunell, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, and Fred Taylor became Jaguars due to good front office moves, not "Your new market needs to be good" expansion advantages. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleVermilion81 1,402 Posted April 11, 2018 Not to mention they kind of screwed themselves with the salary cap and then their GM sucked at drafting (punter in the 3rd round? really???). 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C-Squared 2,478 Posted April 11, 2018 54 minutes ago, WSU151 said: I'd say most of their success was due to Tom Coughlin rather than cartoonish expansion advantages. Mark Brunell, Jimmy Smith, Keenan McCardell, and Fred Taylor became Jaguars due to good front office moves, not "Your new market needs to be good" expansion advantages. You could argue that the luxury of having Rob Johnson to trade for the pick that became Fred Taylor was a residual effect of the 14 extra draft picks the league handed them over their first few seasons. The advent of free agency was relatively new when both teams were founded, which gave both teams the unique advantage of building a team around developed veterans in a way no other team had before... if I'm not mistaken, both teams received some favorable salary cap help, too, which made signing free agents easier. The Browns and Texans certainly didn't get that kind of help in their well-established markets. JAX & CAR made great decisions with those advantages, but it seemed like the Jags really collapsed when the impact of those advantages faded away. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites