NFL 2022 Changes

[Carolingian Steamroller]

I'd like to see the Bears roll with the white facemasks and white "C" for one game. We never did get a proper memorial for the Kansas Comet.

 

[Chawls]

In my personal opinion, most teams, who currently use grey facemasks, but don’t predominantly feature grey or silver anywhere in the uniform, are better served having a white facemask than a grey facemask.
 

Colts? White facemask.

Cardinals? White facemask.

Giants*? White facemask. 
 

49ers would be my exception. But my opinion on them is that I feel they would be better served having a red facemask, rather than grey or white.

 

*when wearing white pants

[Indigo]

21 minutes ago, Chawls said:

In my personal opinion, most teams, who currently use gray facemasks, but doesn’t predominantly feature grey or silver, anywhere in the uniform, is better served having a white facemask than a grey facemask.
 

Colts? White facemask.

Cardinals? White facemask.

Giants*? White facemask. 
 

49ers would be my exception. But my opinion on them is that I feel they would be better served having a red facemask, rather than grey or white.

 

*when wearing white pants

I wholeheartedly agree. When the Bills made this change a few years ago everyone celebrated it, but now it seem the white facemask community has shrunk back down to normal size.

 

 

[infrared41]

15 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

I'd like to see the Bears roll with the white facemasks and white "C" for one game. We never did get a proper memorial for the Kansas Comet.

 

 

I'm pretty sure Gale Sayers was one of the few players on the team who wore that style of facemask and I don't think he wore it very long. The gray 2 bar is the look I associate with him. The white facemask always looks weird to me.

 

 

 

 

 

[simtek34]

51 minutes ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

 

That look topped out at 7 teams in 1983, one out of every four in the NFL, with two more having white facemasks with white helmets (Colts/Patriots).

*whispers* the Vikings should look into this...

 

Agreed. Underrated look for the Vikings. They had it from 1980-1984, between the grey and purple facemask. It wasn't their best facemask look, but it's still a good one. If/when the Throwbacks return, I wouldn't mind if they use either of the three facemask colors, Grey, White, or Purple.

[Echo]

4 hours ago, LA Fakers+ LA Snippers said:

I wholeheartedly agree. When the Bills made this change a few years ago everyone celebrated it, but now it seem the white facemask community has shrunk back down to normal size.

 

 

 

I'm still on Team Blue Facemask for the Bills.

 

[HOOVER]

5 hours ago, fouhy12 said:

The brown is the color that is supposedly unchanged.

Correct.  The brown did not change.  I do believe the change in orange, however, changes the way our eyes see the brown in print/digital applications.

As far as jerseys looking different, I don't think they are; it's likely lighting when you compare those two photos as again, Nike didn't change their brown.  If anything, the difference in fabric from the templates would be to blame.

[HOOVER]

On 12/14/2022 at 6:19 PM, LEWJ said:

Sharing post from UniSwag for visual reference
 

 

 

[Germanshepherd]

5 hours ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

I'd like to see the Bears roll with the white facemasks and white "C" for one game. We never did get a proper memorial for the Kansas Comet.

 

I wear these helmets with the Bears’ away uniform in Madden and I really like the look. That helmet pops real nice with paired the white. 

[Carolingian Steamroller]

5 hours ago, simtek34 said:

 

Agreed. Underrated look for the Vikings. They had it from 1980-1984, between the grey and purple facemask. It wasn't their best facemask look, but it's still a good one. If/when the Throwbacks return, I wouldn't mind if they use either of the three facemask colors, Grey, White, or Purple.

 

I happen to think its worth exploring with the current Vikings set since the current ones draw so heavily on the very design you're showing. The black facemask is fine but I would at least want to try the white before they committed to purple.

 

Northwestern has been doing it at the college level and its easy to see what it would be with a modern helmet.

 

[FiddySicks]

11 hours ago, GriffinM6 said:

I honestly never noticed how different the shades of brown were on their 2000s-2014 uniforms than now until you mentioned it. They definitely should bring back the old brown. 

Agreed. The old shade of almost milk chocolate-y brown was a lot more distinct. The new brown isn’t necessarily bad, but on first glance I always confuse it for black. The old shade of orange was better too, IMO. 
 

I keep hearing all of this talk about how Nike has a somewhat limited color palette for their fabric swatches. I’m wondering if that’s why the Browns really decided to alter the colors. 

[Bathysphere]

 

The Jags have begun to field opinions from the fans on uniforms. They aren’t explicitly saying it’s for a redesign like the Broncos and it probably means there won’t be any changes quite next year. Regardless, it’s very important that they’re finally letting the fans voice their near unanimous attitude on the matter, cause we could’ve avoided a lot of messes if they’d ever thought to do so before. Look at those numbers for the classic era! The Duval faithful wont let us down on this one.

[DCarp1231]

While on the subject of helmets, I’ve never really cared much for the Bears helmet.
 

I wish they’d roll with the throwback helmet full time

[VDizzle12]

Looks like the Browns may be going to white facemasks permanently in the near future

 

 

Just another reason why it is so dumb to have a piece of equipment as your primary logo. 

[andrewharrington]

11 hours ago, Volt said:

Correct.  The brown did not change.  I do believe the change in orange, however, changes the way our eyes see the brown in print/digital applications.

As far as jerseys looking different, I don't think they are; it's likely lighting when you compare those two photos as again, Nike didn't change their brown.  If anything, the difference in fabric from the templates would be to blame.

 

5 hours ago, FiddySicks said:

Agreed. The old shade of almost milk chocolate-y brown was a lot more distinct. The new brown isn’t necessarily bad, but on first glance I always confuse it for black. The old shade of orange was better too, IMO. 
 

I keep hearing all of this talk about how Nike has a somewhat limited color palette for their fabric swatches. I’m wondering if that’s why the Browns really decided to alter the colors. 

 

Cleveland used a custom color for its brown going back to the Reebok days (2006 maybe?), and officially they carried that color over through the identity update. In 2021, however, they quietly switched it back to PANTONE 412, which is their classic brown that was used prior to 2006. This brown is actually lighter than the previous custom color.

 

In textile, however, the Reebok-era Brown would have been a brown in Ripon’s palette. Now, I’m not sure if they actually dipped a custom color or simply used their stock brown. You’d have to check out a 2005 gamer vs. a 2006 gamer to see if the color actually changed.

 

All manufacturers have limited color palettes, and there are business decisions centered around factors like minimums, efficiency, waste, etc. so generally, if it’s close, a stock fabric is going to be used instead of dipping a new color that’s very similar to the existing one. My guess is that the anecdotal difference people are seeing between a Reebok jersey and a Nike jersey is simply the difference in the stock browns used by both brands’ respective manufacturers, but again, you’d have to look at two gamers to compare and/or talk to someone who worked in development on either side to know for sure.

 

And yes, someone in Philly is likely being far too picky about the kelly green if they haven’t been able to get an approval by now. I can understand it with midnight green, as that is a unique color that no one would carry in stock and you’d want to really get it right from the jump, but this long of a timeline for a basic green is not normal.

 

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Unrelated: is the mobile version of the message board becoming unusable for anyone else? The ads make my phone hot, and constant lock-ups/freeze-ups are followed by random page reloads. I’ve resorted to composing posts in the Notes app on my phone and pasting in because I can’t get the message board to work long enough to type a post, which is why I haven’t been posting much

[Bathysphere]

1 minute ago, andrewharrington said:

Unrelated: is the mobile version of the message board becoming unusable for anyone else? The ads make my phone hot, and constant lock-ups/freeze-ups are followed by random page reloads. I’ve resorted to composing posts in the Notes app on my phone and pasting in because I can’t get the message board to work long enough to type a post, which is why I haven’t been posting much

YES! I’ve been wondering where to complain about this. The ads make the page take forever to load, it almost never loads all at once on the first try, and frequently the entire page falls apart mid-scroll and I have to refresh several times to get it back to a proper readable website. Writing a post is nerve wracking because you have no idea when the website will spontaneously combust and you have to start over.  I’ve tried the notes app strategy, but whenever I paste text from an outside text box, it shows up in this font that is much bigger and uglier than the rest of the website. I know this community runs off of a generic message board shell, so whoever is responsible for that shell has some damn work to do web design-wise. It’s almost 2023!!

[Carolingian Steamroller]

52 minutes ago, DCarp1231 said:

While on the subject of helmets, I’ve never really cared much for the Bears helmet.
 

I wish they’d role with the throwback helmet full time

 

I've always loved how the Bears' "C" creates a false eye effect like the white spots on an orca.

 

[jerrylawless3]

1 hour ago, Bathysphere said:

YES! I’ve been wondering where to complain about this. The ads make the page take forever to load, it almost never loads all at once on the first try, and frequently the entire page falls apart mid-scroll and I have to refresh several times to get it back to a proper readable website. Writing a post is nerve wracking because you have no idea when the website will spontaneously combust and you have to start over.  I’ve tried the notes app strategy, but whenever I paste text from an outside text box, it shows up in this font that is much bigger and uglier than the rest of the website. I know this community runs off of a generic message board shell, so whoever is responsible for that shell has some damn work to do web design-wise. It’s almost 2023!!

Also, the search function is borderline useless. Can't run searches back-to-back without getting hit with a cool-down timer.

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, andrewharrington said:

 

In textile, however, the Reebok-era Brown would have been a brown in Ripon’s palette. Now, I’m not sure if they actually dipped a custom color or simply used their stock brown. You’d have to check out a 2005 gamer vs. a 2006 gamer to see if the color actually changed.

 

All manufacturers have limited color palettes, and there are business decisions centered around factors like minimums, efficiency, waste, etc. so generally, if it’s close, a stock fabric is going to be used instead of dipping a new color that’s very similar to the existing one. My guess is that the anecdotal difference people are seeing between a Reebok jersey and a Nike jersey is simply the difference in the stock browns used by both brands’ respective manufacturers, but again, you’d have to look at two gamers to compare and/or talk to someone who worked in development on either side to know for sure.

Back when I was doing the uniforms  for Sac Republic they had just signed a deal with Nike and basically had to adjust their entire color palette to match the swatches Nike had available. It’s funny you mention how “picky” the Eagles are probably being, because we had a similar situation. Our main design person and two of the owners were really against switching the maroon to the darker Nike shade (mainly because it requires them to have to make those color changes on the club’s end), and were basically told, look, we don’t even change our color palette for the biggest clubs in the world. Why would you expect us to alter our infrastructure for a second level American pro soccer team? And 99.999% of people didn’t even notice, even when they had the old kit and new Nike kit side by side. 

[DCarp1231]

1 hour ago, Carolingian Steamroller said:

 

I've always loved how the Bears' "C" creates a false eye effect like the white spots on an orca.