Klondyke Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, spartacat_12 said: On today's 32 Thoughts podcast Elliotte Friedman said that the team would use Utah as the name, not Salt Lake. Beat me to it! Other general notes: -The name/branding of the Coyotes is going to be 'deactivated' - it will be a Cleveland Browns situation -Utah is going to be trying to make the playoffs next year and will be very active in free agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondyke Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 46 minutes ago, Foxxtrot44 said: Given that the name has to be Utah ____, I hope they don't try to force the 'Y' sound alliteration. Yetis and 'Yotes all ring a little hollow to me. (if they pick Unicorns, though.....) It would be interesting to see them try to alliterate the 'Aw' sound instead. Foxes, Pronghorns, Tomatoes, etc... That said, this is also a chance to exercise one of the long-running name candidates in Utah sports history. Utah State University tried it in the 70's, Real Salt Lake almost went for it in the aughts...is it finally time for the Utah Highlanders? Thank you for reading. One of the reasons Winnipeg got the Jets name back is because they had 2 months to find something and since (at the time) the Coyotes were owned by the NHL, they were able to transfer the IP back to Winnipeg. Copyright stuff can lag for a while, so the best option might be for the Utah ownership to buy existing IP. I could easily see a deal with the Utah Grizzlies (former AHL, now ECHL team) to buy that name. The Utah Grizz have been operating in Salk Lake City since 1995 and are well known in the market. Outside of the Jets, the only modern instance I can think of with a quick relocation where the team was compelled to change their name is the Baltimore Ravens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatic Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 7 minutes ago, Klondyke said: Beat me to it! Other general notes: -The name/branding of the Coyotes is going to be 'deactivated' - it will be a Cleveland Browns situation This is the most surprising thing. All of the BS and lack of success make it surprising they want to hold on to the Coyotes identity. You’d think they’d want a clean break and a fresh start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Chromatic said: This is the most surprising thing. All of the BS and lack of success make it surprising they want to hold on to the Coyotes identity. You’d think they’d want a clean break and a fresh start. Agreed. And I solemnly believe that Phoenix will get a team waaaaay down the road and adopt the Coyotes name. And when I say down the road I'm talking like 20 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondyke Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 10 minutes ago, Chromatic said: This is the most surprising thing. All of the BS and lack of success make it surprising they want to hold on to the Coyotes identity. You’d think they’d want a clean break and a fresh start. 7 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said: Agreed. And I solemnly believe that Phoenix will get a team waaaaay down the road and adopt the Coyotes name. And when I say down the road I'm talking like 20 years. The way it was phrased, was more to do with a legal situation. They don't the current Yotes owner to have reason to sue them. If he gets to keep the rights to the name/IP of the Coyotes/Jets history, and gets first rights at a new team (which is speculated to have a 5 year window), he would have less reason to sue the NHL. From the way Elliotte Friedman was talking, it does NOT sound like the NHL wants to do business with the Yotes owner again, but will want to put a team back there in the near future. Right now, the NHL just seems most concentrated and getting the team out of there. It looks like they will give him a 5 year window, with them not expecting to get the arena deal done. This came out in a different news source, but it also sounds like the Coyotes farm team will be relocated to Mullet Arena because they currently have a lease there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 As boring as it might sound, I wouldn't be surprised if they're called the Utah Pioneers with some kind of covered wagon or wagon wheel inspired logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikWings Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 The NHL already has too many teams. Brining back the Coyotes and Thrashers or putting a team in Kansas City would be stupid. Sucks to see the Yotes (and their gorgeous logo and uniforms go). I'm sure whatever Utah comes up with will be horrible especially if it's anything like what Smith did with the Jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFB Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 35 minutes ago, BottomlessPitt said: As boring as it might sound, I wouldn't be surprised if they're called the Utah Pioneers with some kind of covered wagon or wagon wheel inspired logo. This is one of those names where it's a great idea until marketing realizes that almost no one is going to get excited about the mascot in the same way that non-hockey fans did for Golden Knights and Kraken. It's a fine name and motif in a vacuum – professional, not embarrassing – but it's unfortunately too touchy/boring and 50 years too late. You could get away with a name like Clippers or Barons or Zephyrs decades ago, but in the era of Kraken and Wild and Lightning it has to be something more exciting to capture the public interest. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, GFB said: This is one of those names where it's a great idea until marketing realizes that almost no one is going to get excited about the mascot in the same way that non-hockey fans did for Golden Knights and Kraken. It's a fine name and motif in a vacuum – professional, not embarrassing – but it's unfortunately too touchy/boring and 50 years too late. You could get away with a name like Clippers or Barons or Zephyrs decades ago, but in the era of Kraken and Wild and Lightning it has to be something more exciting to capture the public interest. As long as they don't choose Yeti. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFB Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 minute ago, BottomlessPitt said: As long as they don't choose Yeti. ...that's the exact sort of name I can envision them picking with this criteria. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Just now, GFB said: ...that's the exact sort of name I can envision them picking with this criteria. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schlim Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 1 hour ago, Klondyke said: The way it was phrased, was more to do with a legal situation. They don't the current Yotes owner to have reason to sue them. If he gets to keep the rights to the name/IP of the Coyotes/Jets history, and gets first rights at a new team (which is speculated to have a 5 year window), he would have less reason to sue the NHL. This way the owner can sell Coyotes retro t-shirts ala the Seattle Metropolitans guy, and probably make as much, if not more money, than running the Coyotes. I wonder how much of a holdup the Arizona law allowing sports team owners to own and run a casino is playing into this. Like it or not, the NHL will probably call the Coyotes a 'deactivated' team while still technically allowing the owner to 'own' the team and still run the casino until he can pay the legislature off enough to change the laws and grandfather him in to run the casino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 28 minutes ago, GFB said: ...that's the exact sort of name I can envision them picking with this criteria. Literally just use Suburban Sasquatch as the mascot. I don’t know if I can post a picture of Suburban Sasquatch, because it has an oddly nice rack. 1 Quote MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondyke Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 12 minutes ago, schlim said: This way the owner can sell Coyotes retro t-shirts ala the Seattle Metropolitans guy, and probably make as much, if not more money, than running the Coyotes. I wonder how much of a holdup the Arizona law allowing sports team owners to own and run a casino is playing into this. Like it or not, the NHL will probably call the Coyotes a 'deactivated' team while still technically allowing the owner to 'own' the team and still run the casino until he can pay the legislature off enough to change the laws and grandfather him in to run the casino. The Coyotes current owner seems to be a bit of an idiot. I work in real estate and the time line he gave to build this new arena near Scottsdale was never doable. Things like a water services agreement with a neighbouring city need to be worked out WAY in advance. Instead, it seemed like the project never even knew they needed something like that. While Alex Meruelo (owner of the Yotes) has money in real estate, he's never developed anything before and does not really seem to understand the bureaucratic hurdles that come with a massive mixed-use development like that. I looked at the renderings and there was absolutely no parking included in it and I am guessing they made no attempt to coordinate with the local transportation system to set up service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Isn't Meruelo the same guy that wanted to buy the Atlanta Hawks years ago, but the NBA told him to get lost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 4/11/2024 at 8:17 AM, TruColor said: I JUST moved to Arizona over the weekend. My condolences. Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 9 hours ago, tBBP said: And you know, now that you say this, as many times as I've been out to UT & Salt Lake specifically, I've never thought of it that way. I know it's west, but I never thought of it as southwest. Probably because Utah's probably more well known for the Wasatch Front...or the Delicate Arch in Moab. Utah and Nevada outside of the southern tip I wouldn’t really consider “southwest” in that sense. It’s the Great Basin, which I wouldn’t put into the same category. 1 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klondyke Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 I am a City Planner and my entire career is based around dealing with developers. While i think hockey will go back to Phoenix, this development is a half assed mess, that was rushed and has absolutely no forsite for the following reasons: 1. THERE IS NO PARKING IN THESE DESIGNS. Arena developments not near a Transportation loop need about 8-12k worth of parking spots. That is WAY too high of a capacity to put underground. 2. Those roads around the arena way way too narrow to support 8k-12,000 cars. It would take an hour just to leave the block. If they city were to expand the roads, it would be on taxpayers to pay for it. There is also a residential development to the north east, and while I am not totally familiar with Phoenix government, I imagine they don't want to deal with that. 3. There is no transportation in the area. Expanding it would also cost taxpayers money. The Scottsdale mayor pretty much stated these concerns are way he's opposed to it 4. Maybe they are changing the name back to "Phoenix", but the fact the arena says "Phoenix" on it in the Coyotes font makes me just think this is a lazy oversite. If you look at the 2nd rendering I posted, it also has their own mascot wearing an outdated Coyotes jersey. 5. They don't seem to have talked to any government body in the region. There very well could be neighbourhood bylaws that prevent them from using something like a goal horn past a certain time, or even have the arena's lights on too bright. Points 3 & 4 could just be oversites, but the lack of attention to detail just screams to me that this is a person who is not very well organized. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManillaToad Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Man I hope SLC doesn't go with some goofy crap akin to Kraken. There's potential for a solid identity here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakdaddy Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Most annoying thing is how much tidier things would be if they had moved back to Winnipeg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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