Dexter Morgan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Jim Thome's been clean all this timeWhy don't we just ask Jose Canseco if Thome juiced or not? He's still batting 1.000 when it comes to snitchin' out cheats.(And FTR, Canseco is just as Hall of Fame worthy as Thome, if not more.)Based on what?.277 AVG/ .403 OBP/ .558 SLG/ .961 OPS/ 147 OPS+/ 600 HR/ 1662 RBI (Thome).266 AVG/ .353 OBP/ .515 SLG/ .867 OPS/ 132 OPS+/ 462 HR/ 1407 RBI (Canseco) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEW.ERA Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't know why anyone hasn't asked Canseco about Thome, and we'll were at it Griffey and Thomas as well. There should be a wing in the HoF just devoted to guys who would easily go into Cooperstown if it weren't for Jose Conseco being right. JETS|PACK|JAYS|NUFC|BAMA|BOMBERS|RAPS|ORANJE| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So all the anti Thome guys, you think he should be punnished for having a quiet career? www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEANS Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Sorry, can't put Thome in the hall. We're not 100% sure that he didn't use steroids - shame he's playing in this era.I know this is your normal troll routine, but Thome is one of three players from that era I can say definitively, without a shadow of a doubt didn't do steroids. Thome, Ken Griffey, Jr. and Frank Thomas were all 100% clean. Congrats to Thome. Whether or not he was the dominating presence others were, hitting 600 really means something. He absolutely deserves to enter the hall of fame.How?It would be nice to think that this is true and I hope it is. If I had a vote, I'd vote for all three as they don't really have ties."Frank Thomas was clean." BTW, you left out Jeff Bagwell. He, Big Hurt, Griffey and Thome all sputtered once steroid testing came into effect.Yes, Frank Thomas was clean. He was an All-American tight end at Auburn and was always huge. As Frank said in an interview, "My whole family's big. My sister is over 300 pounds." Look at his rookie pictures. He was a mountain of a man. He filled out a little with muscle, but he mostly got fat. He complained about rampant steroid use in the '90s, but it fell on deaf ears. A reporter (I think from Toronto) mentioned after the fact that Thomas complained to him in the mid '90s that nothing was being done about steroids, he said it was known about and everyone looked the other way. He was pissed that his accomplishments were overlooked because of the roiders. Thomas orchestrated in 2003 that the White Sox would all decline to take their drug tests, which would put them as a posititive test and cause mandatory testing to kick in the next season (at the time, it would have only kicked in if a certain percentage of players failed). The union stepped in and twisted their arms and the ended up taking it, anyway. Thomas was always open about it. He was one of the few guys who talked with the Mitchell Group in 2004/5 because he was passionate about eliminating steroids. Look at his numbers compared to other hitters before 1990. What he did was historic, yet it was overlooked because a 8 miles north roided to the guild and blew kisses to the camera. He was also a two time MVP who had a third award stolen from him in 2000 by a roid freak in Giambi.Look at the list of players who hit .300 with 30 homer, 100 BB, 100 RBI and 100 runs scored each of their first 8 seasons. Frank is in good company. He was a great hitter who was powerful, he wasn't a "slugger". While Bonds took steroids to allow him to recover quickly and hit well into his 40s, Thomas wore down because he didn't take them. That's what normally happens. His number started sliding well before testing (2005), anyway. He was a huge man, and it took it's toll on his body. He also hit off of his front foot and was hurt by having problems with that foot in 2004(and he settled a malpractice suit against the docs who treated him, because it caused him to miss the first two and last two months of 2005 after reinjury). So please, if you have even anecdotal evidence that Thomas did steroids, please provide it.Couldn't have said it better myself, one of THE best right handed hitters to EVER play the game. https://www.andrewsterlachini.com/ or http://dribbble.com/MEANS1974 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So all the anti Thome guys, you think he should be punnished for having a quiet career?I don't think he should really be punished. I think the amount of attention he's gotten in his career is about right.This is a guy who's game is getting up to the plate and mashing. That's all he does. But when he plays though, there's alot of guys like that. Carlos Delgado, Jose Canseco, Greg Vaughn, Frank Thomas, Rafael Palmeiro, Richie Sexson, Albert Belle, David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, Sammy Sosa, Jason Giambi, Andres Galarraga, Juan Gonzalez, Adam Dunn, Mike Piazza, Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Mo Vaughn.Do I think all of those guys are better then Jim Thome? No. But I feel most of them are at least comparable and because that's the case, I do think it makes Jim Thome less special because in no year is he really doing something that's unheard of and to me that's the ultimate measure of a HOFer. How far ahead of everyone else around you are you? And throughout Jim Thome's career I can't say its much. Does that make him a bad player or somebody I wouldn't want on my team? No.If you throw out the PED guys, something I disagree with doing, but if you do, then Jim Thome does rise enough on the list where you have to say he's in without question. That's what the writers are going to do. Its killing them to not be putting in these sluggers who they adored like school girls adore Justin Bieber. Now they finally have a guy like that who they can point to and say this guy did it clean. Do I think Jim Thome used PED's? Probably. Do I have proof? No. But looking at the area I just assume more were on then were not.When Jose Canseco says 80%, I feel that's a proper number. Pretty anyone with no neck is on 'roids. You can't work out your neck. Its the hardest part of your body to develop. Unless your a full time bodybuilder the only way that area develops is with steroids and there were alot of guys coming into the spring training that all of a sudden had no neck. Their head now connects directly to their shoulders. Thome I felt was one of them. Again though I thought the majority and not the minority of guys were doing it, which is why I don't punsih those for getting caught.I said earlier that I feel his career is about equal to that of Tony Perez and Fred McGriff and I stand by that. A few peak years and alot of good years. Perez is in the HOF, McGriff isn't. I'm not a big fan of either one getting in, but again by no means do I find either one to be the worst to get and don't have a huge issue with Perez being in, nor will I if and when McGriff gets in. So I can't have one with Thome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 That Beltran trade sure is working out great for the Giants!Beltran hits the shelf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If Wheeler is real deal this trade will look real bad for San Fran. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If Wheeler is real deal this trade will look real bad for San Fran.How I see it, the Giants finally got their one title, so it's like they're playing with house money now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 True, but it will be nice to see a deal work out better for the Mets for a change. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 AWFUL deal for the Giants. I was hopeful that this would work out, but I had a feeling this was going to end up being a really bad decision. Nothing beats having three first basemen, Orlando Cabrera AND Miguel Tejada all starting for your favorite team. That's gotta change and stat or the Giants will be out of the race by September. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 That's gotta change and stat or the Giants will be out of the race by September.Pretty sure the DIAMONDBACKS aren't gonna run away with the NL West. The Giants could go .500 the rest of the way and still win that division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mania Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Miguel Cabrera?Don't think that would be an issue, if that was the case. Off The Top Rope: A Pro Wrestling Podcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Miguel Cabrera?Don't think that would be an issue, if that was the case.Orlando, my bad. You see? I can't even remember the dude's name he's so bad On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoehrin Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 That Beltran trade sure is working out great for the Giants!Beltran hits the shelfCarlos was having a good year at the plate for the Mets, but he's not the same guy he was 5 years ago. He's lost nearly all of his speed and he never had the strongest arm in the world, so what you have right now is basically just an above average right fielder.Honestly Lucas Duda looks to be right on par with what Beltran is right now and because of that the Mets really haven't missed a beat since dropping him. They were a .500 team with Beltran. They're a .500 team without him. So why keep him? Take a chance on this kid Wheeler and if it doesen't work out, what did you really lose? A supplemental draft pick that may or may not have worked out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 True, but it will be nice to see a deal work out better for the Mets for a change.What does it matter how Beltran does in SF? Either way, the Mets did well. Beltran was never coming back the Mets after the season, even if he wasn't traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninersdd Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 It's official: the Giants are dropping like flies. BEAR DOWN ARIZONA!2013/14 Tanks Picks Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cujo Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 It's official: the Giants are dropping like flies.On top of all the other injuries, Johnathan Sanchez just went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTank Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 True, but it will be nice to see a deal work out better for the Mets for a change.What does it matter how Beltran does in SF? Either way, the Mets did well. Beltran was never coming back the Mets after the season, even if he wasn't traded.I agree with that part, but if Beltran continues to scuffle and the Giants miss the playoffs this deal will be very bad for the Giants, which is a shame I am pulling for Carlos to do well. BTWWhat the is up with that god damn cricket in Kansas City, it is making this Yankee Royals game unwatchable. I know the Royals suck, but crickets seriously. Someone get a howitzer and shut Jiminey Cricket up forever. www.sportsecyclopedia.com For the best in sports history go to the Sports E-Cyclopedia at http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRenesis Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 The Pirates, Jerry Meals and an extra innings game. No, this couldnt possibly end badly at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 17, 2011 Author Share Posted August 17, 2011 Diamondbacks just beat Halladay and the Phillies. Up 3 games on the GiantsEdit: make that 3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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