2013 NCAA FOOTBALL THREAD

[LAWeaver]

NEWS FROM SPORTSCENTER: Mack Brown, 16-year Head Coach at the University of Texas, is expected to announce his resignation later in the week. News first reported by OrangeBloods.com

[NEW.ERA]

Welp. There goes Saban.

[sportstar1212]

Welp. There goes Saban.

Funny you mention that, as Nick Saban was paged by pranksters at Austin's airport today

[Billy B]

Still don't think Saban goes to Texas, he's king of the state of Alabama (unless you're an Auburn fan). But it will be interesting to see who Texas goes after. They have the money to get pretty much anyone that wants the job.

EDIT: Saw some rumors that Texas is getting Saban and others that Saban is going to sign an extension at Bama for $7M a year.

[Kramerica Industries]

If Texas wants Will Muschamp, well, they can have him.

[Breakwood]

If Texas wants Will Muschamp, well, they can have him.

I don't think Georgia State would even touch Muschamp at this point.

[dfwabel]

Still don't think Saban goes to Texas, he's king of the state of Alabama (unless you're an Auburn fan). But it will be interesting to see who Texas goes after. They have the money to get pretty much anyone that wants the job.

EDIT: Saw some rumors that Texas is getting Saban and others that Saban is going to sign an extension at Bama for $7M a year.

This is still Jimmy Sexton going to work for his client.

Let's also keep in mind that the meeting on Thursday is less about Mack Brown and more about the future UT President Bill Powers, who is a Mack apologist. This is partly a pissing contest between those who like Powers and those who do not. Governor Rick Perry does not. Joe Jamail, Red McCombs, and to a lesser degree Tom Hicks are the ones who run the athletic department, so they are the most important ones in the room.

Keep this in mind, it is not about ruling Alabama. Success at Texas and he changes HS football in the state. And changing football in Texas changes national recruiting and essentially how others play/coach.

Immediate success will then have HS coaches going to conferences and instead of hearing Sumlin and Briles talk about their offenses, they will want to hear Saban talk about the success of a traditional, 21 formation and install it along with a hybrid 3-4 for defense.

Also, with any coaching change this year, the NCAA has lengthened the recruiting dead period for an additional two weeks. It now runs from Dec. 16- Jan. 15

[dbadefense1990]

Just a longshot in the dark, but...Ed Orgeron to Texas?

[dfwabel]

Just a longshot in the dark, but...Ed Orgeron to Texas?

Only as an assistant and main recruiter since he knows Louisiana and southeast Texas

[FiddySicks]

I think Nick Saban going to Texas would make a decent amount of sense. He's already a legend at Bama. Why not try to solidify his legacy by trying to win a National Championship at a third major university? If he took the Texas job and got them another title or two he could probably go down as the best ever.

[Drew22]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10116548/drew-read-named-texas-coach

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Is Texas a better job than Alabama?

I'd rather live in Austin myself, but seems like there's no bigger job than Alabama football, if in you're in it for prestige. Maybe Notre Dame, but mainly if you're sentimental.

I'd be more impressed if Saban coached an AAC team to a big-time bowl. Or even an ACC team. Taking the biggest, bestest job seems like a copout. The pressure is there, yes, but so too are the resources. Let's see if Saban can make it work at East Carolina.

[rams80]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10116548/drew-read-named-texas-coach

[dfwabel]

Is Texas a better job than Alabama?

I'd rather live in Austin myself, but seems like there's no bigger job than Alabama football, if in you're in it for prestige. Maybe Notre Dame, but mainly if you're sentimental.

I'd be more impressed if Saban coached an AAC team to a big-time bowl. Or even an ACC team. Taking the biggest, bestest job seems like a copout. The pressure is there, yes, but so too are the resources. Let's see if Saban can make it work at East Carolina.

Yes, it is a better job for the reason which you already stated.

Austin, TX > Tuscaloosa, AL

Better not only for the coach, but better for the HS recruit. Especially so if you are a highly recruited player not from Alabama.

[Still MIGHTY]

Is Texas a better job than Alabama?

I'd rather live in Austin myself, but seems like there's no bigger job than Alabama football, if in you're in it for prestige. Maybe Notre Dame, but mainly if you're sentimental.

With the spread and reach of college football, I'm not sure there is one ultimate job, but rather one top tier.

Alabama, Texas, USC, Ohio State, and just barely Notre Dame.

I don't think any of those jobs are stepping stone jobs (whether it's for actual quality or for prestige reasons like Notre Dame, which is really just hanging in that tier for me for that reason.) I think any move from one of those schools to another could be considered a lateral move. Those are the top jobs for those regions of the country. (USC - West, Texas - Central, Alabama - South, Ohio State - Midwest, Notre Dame - East/National (because, ND tends to align itself that way, and there really isn't a Eastern football power.)

I think from a pure football perspective, resources, funding, recruiting, history, those jobs are all equal to each other. Any ranking to be done of them is probably done just through personal preference (like you mentioned, just location or living conditions, or your own bias/personal nostalgia.)

There are schools that are close to that like Florida, LSU, Florida State, Oklahoma, Michigan, UCLA/Oregon (I really don't know who you'd put there. UCLA really should be a higher prestige job with its overall athletic history and the resources it should have. Oregon has been good in the past, but their national presence has been very recent.), but I think all of those jobs are just that notch below. You could go from one of these jobs to one of those top tier jobs (though, probably not directly against rivalry lines like Florida/LSU/Bama, Texas/OU, UM/OSU, UCLA/USC).

I think the only place you can go from those jobs is to the NFL, like Pete Carroll to the Seahawks, but then again, you can also say that some of these are even bigger than that, like Nick Saban to Alabama.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

Good insight, and I think you're right.

As far as an Eastern school of national prominence (and by Eastern you mean Northeast, right?), it would have been Penn State if no one else. That time is gone forever though.

There's no right answer, but I'm curious why OSU would be Tier 1 and Michigan is Tier 1A? I'd put them right at the same level.

[infrared41]

I believe Texas has the biggest budget, most money, etc. of all the D-1 football factories. So there's that, I guess.

I've been saying it all season on BAFS and I'll say it here - Nick Saban will be the next coach of the Texas Longhorns. Why? What's he got left to prove at Alabama? If he goes to Texas and has the same type of success he had at 'Bama, can anyone really argue that he's not one of the greatest coaches in college football history? That's why he takes the job.

[infrared41]

Good insight, and I think you're right.

As far as an Eastern school of national prominence (and by Eastern you mean Northeast, right?), it would have been Penn State if no one else. That time is gone forever though.

There's no right answer, but I'm curious why OSU would be Tier 1 and Michigan is Tier 1A? I'd put them right at the same level.

More money and lower academic standards at Ohio State. Those two things make OSU the "easier" job of the two. It's tougher to win at Michigan because Michigan actually expects a little academic effort from their "student athletes."

[Still MIGHTY]

Good insight, and I think you're right.

As far as an Eastern school of national prominence (and by Eastern you mean Northeast, right?), it would have been Penn State if no one else. That time is gone forever though.

There's no right answer, but I'm curious why OSU would be Tier 1 and Michigan is Tier 1A? I'd put them right at the same level.

Yeah East/Northeast (if we needed to break that down further and include a mid-Atlantic region or something, Virginia Tech I guess? But at this point it's just Beamer. I don't know what'll happen to that program once he leaves), Penn State was the only school that came to mind for the Northeast, but I obviously didn't include them because of that reason. Even before the fall, I'd probably put them in that 1A tier as well. I'd say they're pretty analogous to Florida State with the Bowden/Paterno dynamic.

As far as OSU/Michigan, eh I don't know. OSU - 7 national titles, 36 conference titles, 7 Heismans, 19-23 bowl record. Michigan - 11ish national titles, 42 conference titles, 3 Heismans, 20-22 bowl record. UM leads 58-45-6. I mean they're pretty close in terms of history. Maybe it's because I record a podcast with the Buckeye above me haha, but even before that, I've just always had that feeling from it. Greg pointed out the logistical reasons, but for me, maybe it's also the more modern history. Since Michigan's 10th claimed national title in 1948, Michigan has one in 1997 while Ohio State has six, including two in this millennium. I'd say it's that more recent difference that has Ohio State in Tier 1 and Michigan in 1A. Michigan is one of those great tentpole jobs in college football, but I think OSU is just that sliver above at this point in time.

[infrared41]

As far as OSU/Michigan, eh I don't know. OSU - 7 national titles, 36 conference titles, 7 Heismans, 19-23 bowl record. Michigan - 11ish national titles, 42 conference titles, 3 Heismans, 20-22 bowl record. UM leads 58-45-6. I mean they're pretty close in terms of history. Maybe it's because I record a podcast with the Buckeye above me haha, but even before that, I've just always had that feeling from it. Greg pointed out the logistical reasons, but for me, maybe it's also the more modern history. Since Michigan's 10th claimed national title in 1948, Michigan has one in 1997 while Ohio State has six, including two in this millennium. I'd say it's that more recent difference that has Ohio State in Tier 1 and Michigan in 1A. Michigan is one of those great tentpole jobs in college football, but I think OSU is just that sliver above at this point in time.

No argument here.