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2016-17 NHL Uniform and Logo Changes

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McCarthy    6,885
8 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

It's no good arguing that a team cannot use the former logo of a different franchise, considering that the Mets use the Giants' old logo, the Brewers formerly used the Braves' old logo, and the Nationals use the Senators' old logo. And, for honourable mention, the Dodgers use a logo that is almost exactly that of the L.A. Angels of the PCL.

 

 

Cap logo, cap logo, cap logo, and cap logo. All secondary logos. If the Avalanche want to keep the triangle as a secondary and use that on the shoulders I'd be fine with that. Secondaries are a good place to play with locality and make references. It would be a better secondary logo than just the C. The problem is the threat of it becoming the primary logo, which is a different ball of wax. 

 

You know who the triangle would be great for? The Rockies cap logo. 

 

2 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

I'm not sure at all we can say that with any certainty.  Sometimes teams like to borrow the name of teams that came before because It's the name of a team that came before.  Especially when that name has some local resonance, as "Rockies" does in Colorado.  The Charlotte Hornets, New Orleans Pelicans, Milwaukee Brewers, Baltimore Orioles, Los Angeles Angels, and Toronto Maple Leafs all say hello.


You can't say with any certainty that they're named after the hockey team either. The difference is all of those were either locally beloved names, have actual history in the city for many years, and/or are a means of connecting the current team with the team who previously played that sport.

 

I'm leaning towards the baseball Rockies not being named after a crappy hockey team that lasted 6 years. I think it's just a cool sounding name with good local flare. 

 

Example: I wouldn't have been happy if the new Atlanta MLS team was called the Atlanta Thrashers. 

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Gothamite    6,092

I never said that we know with certainty that the baseball team was named after the hockey team.  I was taking issue with your contention that the hockey team had been so totally forgotten that the baseball team and its fans were unaware of them.

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WSU151    2,545
6 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

The are openly stating the logo comes from the "TEAM'S HERITAGE":

 

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I had no idea the Nordiques had a logo shaped like a mountain. What a rich heritage.

 

White square blocking is representative of snow capped mountains?  LOLOLOLOL Holy crap Avs.  

 

Showing our state pride...oh yeah, we also have our state flag on the shoulders in an incredibly tacky manner...

 

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With that said, tweak that uni and logo a little bit, and I'd be okay with it.  Outlining the white numbers in silver (and bring back the glacier twill, if just for snowy name) would be cool.

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wildwing64    1,192
5 hours ago, habsfan1 said:

They probably will promote the alternate to primary status eventually. However, does that mean they're getting rid of their championship logo in the process? The Ducks footprint logo is still used on the shoulders of that alternate jersey. But it would just feel weird to have the primary logos switch places like that.

 

The more I think about it, even though that's what I'd like them to do, I just don't think they will.

 

When it was revealed there was almost no fanfare. Here it is, your brand new third jersey and they're wearing it right now oops we lost 4-1 to the Avalanche. In general they've been very lazy in terms of selling it, but then I guess it's the kind of design that sells itself. But the biggest headscratcher so far, they go all #PaintItOrange on us in the playoffs of its debut year, but then they wear the black jersey at home.

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McCarthy    6,885
39 minutes ago, CreamSoda said:

The are openly stating the logo comes from the "TEAM'S HERITAGE":

 

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hahaha. I'm glad I saw this. "inspired by" = ripped off the logo of a different team that played in Denver and made it worse. 

 

People are allowed to have opinions, but I just don't see how that thing is an improvement. I'm baffled by it and I'm honestly surprised by how many people defend that thing. Made worse by the fact that it's not their logo to use. I'm especially surprised by those who are usually on the side of not blurring the lines of franchise lineage who are oddly okay with the Avalanche using the Rockies logo. The Avalanche are the Nordiques. They aren't the Rockies, in fact they played the Rockies 11 times. 

 

If the Houston Texans slightly updated the Oilers oil derrick and used Texans colors and said it was pulling from the team's heritage would that fly? Of course not. How's this any different?

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C-Squared    979
1 hour ago, McCarthy said:

 

If the Houston Texans slightly updated the Oilers oil derrick and used Texans colors and said it was pulling from the team's heritage would that fly? Of course not. How's this any different?

 

 

The Rockies identity was an obvious influence on the original Avalanche identity. Besides, the Avs 3rd logo features a snow-capped mountain - not a stretch from their current identity in the least. How would an arbitrary oil derrick mesh with the Texans identity?

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Regarding the Sens-

 

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That is all.

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2 hours ago, wildwing64 said:

 

The more I think about it, even though that's what I'd like them to do, I just don't think they will.

 

When it was revealed there was almost no fanfare. Here it is, your brand new third jersey and they're wearing it right now oops we lost 4-1 to the Avalanche. In general they've been very lazy in terms of selling it, but then I guess it's the kind of design that sells itself. But the biggest headscratcher so far, they go all #PaintItOrange on us in the playoffs of its debut year, but then they wear the black jersey at home.

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^ That's the best jersey the Ducks ever had.

(Except for the OC patch on the shoulder)

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Chromatic    395
6 minutes ago, The Giant Pacific Octopus said:

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^ That's the best jersey the Ducks ever had.

(Except for the OC patch on the shoulder)

Yuck. That's a monstrosity. It looks like an orange practice jersey used give to a player not cleared for contact, and the shiny logo looks awful.

 

 

The best jersey they've ever had imo is the current orange third. 

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Kaz    711
2 hours ago, McCarthy said:

If the Houston Texans slightly updated the Oilers oil derrick and used Texans colors and said it was pulling from the team's heritage would that fly? Of course not. How's this any different?

Actually I bet quite a few would like that, though I personally wouldn't.

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wildwing64    1,192
25 minutes ago, The Giant Pacific Octopus said:

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^ That's the best jersey the Ducks ever had.

(Except for the OC patch on the shoulder)

 

The OC patch sucks, I agree with you there. But the rest of it is a practice jersey at best and the chrome D is terribad. The regular D-foot logo would've helped the overall design, but, nope.

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Webhamster    45
1 hour ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Regarding the Sens-

 

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That is all.

 

While much nicer than the front-facing Roman they use now, if they re-brand I'd be much happier if they just dropped the Roman theme altogether.

 

The =O= is great and has more potential to become a timeless mark, but I'm not yet sure if I want it as the full-time primary.  I'd really like to see someone think outside the box on a Senators identity that doesn't use any of the Roman imagery or anything that has come before.  Start fresh as though they were a new team.

 

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McCarthy    6,885
2 hours ago, C-Squared said:

 

The Rockies identity was an obvious influence on the original Avalanche identity.

 

Other than both teams playing in Denver and being named after things involving mountains (for the record so is every neighborhood, shopping center, street, etc in the city of Denver) I don't see any influence at all, much less an obvious one. 

 

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In no world was the second identity influenced by the first. If anything I think the 1995 Avalanche were doing everything they could to be the anti-Rockies which also happened to include winning and being memorable. 

 

2 hours ago, C-Squared said:

Besides, the Avs 3rd logo features a snow-capped mountain - not a stretch from their current identity in the least. How would an arbitrary oil derrick mesh with the Texans identity?

 

You're missing my point which is that the city's current franchise has no claim to a logo used by the city's former franchise no matter how appropriate it may be. How would an arbitrary oil derrick mesh with the Texans identity? It wouldn't, but the primary reason they shouldn't use it is because it's not theirs to use. 

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BrianLion    1,026

Yeah the whole mountain forming/containing a letter is a bit of a stretch to say one was "inspired" by the other, unless of course they're claiming that "Avalanche" name is inspired by "Rockies" name because they happen in the mountains, but that's still pretty iffy. I mean the Rockies existed for all of SIX seasons, its not like they were some institution to the City like the Oilers were in Houston. 

 

In the Avs defense though, the Rockies identity was basically the Colorado state flag, which is pretty much public domain and fair use.  It's not like the former team had some unique, trademarked identity like in your Texans/Oilers scenario above. 

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hockey week    920
21 hours ago, Cosmic said:

It's really perfect, IMO. It looks like a logo that could last 100 years. It has a timeless quality to it.

 

I just wish we were allowed to post a picture of it here. ;)

 

Oh, right, the whole "no concepts in the news threads" thing. 
 

I never thought that logo would be that well received. I threw together the idea for a concept series years ago, and every so often it gets mentioned, and every time, I'm floored. I have to make a proper version of it sometime soon, I was using paint way back when.

Anyway, the logo is here
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b394/johnious/Ottawa Senators 1970s logo_zpselmchfhw.jpg

 

Anyone want to give some feedback before I redo it, I'm welcome to it, but I definitely don't want to derail the thread (more)

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Corvus    57
19 hours ago, bleuet said:

I cant wait to see Ottawa get rid of a roman figure. I mean, never understood the link. Fingers all crossed they go the "O" way o make sure they dont come up with a atrocity.

 

We should make a topic on those curious logos..

 

 

Senators - Roman Senate - Roman Army - Centurions!

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Corvus    57
1 minute ago, bleuet said:

 

So canadian...

 

 

Never claimed it was. You said you didn't understand the link from the name to the visual identity so it seemed like you needed it explained.

 

 

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