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7 hours ago, SCalderwood said:

I don't see how anyone can think the Washington Federals color scheme is NOT money-themed.  There's this thing called the FEDERAL Reserve, the central banking system (which, you know, has to do with money) of the United States.  It could not be more obvious that their color scheme is related to money. 

 

As for the Caps/Wizards color scheme, no one cares about the congressional seal; their color scheme was based on presidential seal colors.  The reason they didn't use navy is because they wanted to incorporate black (like everyone else in the mid-late 90s) but realized it was stupid to have black and navy in the same color scheme.  So they lightened the shade of blue.  It was a good color scheme that would never look dated, like the US presidential seal.

There's also this thing called the FEDERAL Bureau of Investigations, so their color should be black.

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6 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

The money connection is too unobvious to be used as the basis for a team in dc. 

 

Because reasons, a dc team will never be “america’s team”, and shouldn’t be bound by RWB. However, there’s not a lot of true local connections to draw from for influence - many if not most DC proper residents are transplants or working in government, and the region is more VA and MD than anything DC. 

 

They could draw from the city flag, but that’s red and white so not too divergent from RWB (also, though definitely not the same as the patriots in red argument, I’m sure the same points would be brought up). 

 

A native theam could work, but would need to be done very carefully. Even if the nfl DC team didn’t exist, I’d shy away from using burgundy for it. Maybe find some connection to a tribe to use as justification for a green scheme (I guarantee Nike could spin it). 

 

I think tge blue/gold/black scheme is perfect for DC, but I get why some ppl don’t. It’s a tough spot for a designer / branding person to be in. 

 

The teams aren't from "the region" though. They are from Washington. And their identities should reflect the city. While about 60% of DC residents are from other parts of the country, I think it's fair to argue that all Americans are at least a little bit connected to Washington, D.C. by virtue of Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 (powers of Congress) of the U.S. Constitution. That connection really gets amplified if you decide to move to Washington, D.C. and register to vote in the city. A choice to move to Washington is a choice to lose your right to vote for members of Congress (among other things). That's a pretty big commitment to a place, more so than moving from one state to another!

 

Lets look at "federal seals" of the United States. Lots of blue and gold! And it was the late 90s, so they added black. I don't know if anyone is really arguing here that the blue/black/gold color scheme is based on one seal over another, but 1. the federal government can be characterized color wise by blue and gold and 2. the presidential seal is far more recognizable than the congressional seal.

 

I'm just going to choose to believe the Federals color scheme was bank note based. And that's my right as an American, even if I don't have the right to vote for members of Congress!

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DC United does a good job incorporating DC iconography without being over the top RWB:

 

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Unfortunately, there's a hint of Third Reich, so you win some and lose some.

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10 hours ago, the admiral said:

Leonsis really should have changed the name back to Bullets in 2011 instead of the half-measure of bringing back the Bullets identity in everything but name. The 1997-2011 Wizards package sucked, the name still sucks. No one associates DC with violence anymore, they just associate it with nerds.

 

There's still a major gun debate in this country.

 

Frankly having a team that reminds of something designed to do one thing(kill human beings) is pretty tasteless anyway IMO.

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Regardless of if you twist the meaning of the name Bullets or not, people will get upset and I'm sure the last thing the team or the DC Metro area wants right now is another sports team with a name that offends people.

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33 minutes ago, Old School Fool said:

Regardless of if you twist the meaning of the name Bullets or not, people will get upset and I'm sure the last thing the team or the DC Metro area wants right now is another sports team with a name that offends people.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Wizard

 

lets just be the Bullets.

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1 hour ago, colortv said:

 

There's still a major gun debate in this country.

 

Frankly having a team that reminds of something designed to do one thing(kill human beings) is pretty tasteless anyway IMO.

 

What are swords designed to do?  

 

In in any case, the gun debate will always allow handguns and bullets to be legal. 

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2 hours ago, colortv said:

Frankly having a team that reminds of something designed to do one thing(kill human beings) is pretty tasteless anyway IMO.

 

Considering guns aren't designed for the sole purpose to kill human beings (hunting? sport? self defense?) that's a weak argument. I don't find it tasteless, but insensitive ... yes. At least in areas where the crime rate and gun violence is prevalent. And, that was basically Pollin's reasoning for the name change 20 years ago. 

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If you're sensitive to the existence of the Washington Bullets because gun violence exists, you have the mind of a child. It just meant they were really fast! The logos didn't even have anything to do with bullets from the time they moved from Baltimore to DC -- maybe that's why they sold so poorly by the mid-'90s.

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Pollin changed the name because his friend got assassinated half a world away. He gave negative craps about being the Bullets in a land of gun violence until then.

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7 minutes ago, Sodboy13 said:

Pollin changed the name because his friend got assassinated half a world away. He gave negative craps about being the Bullets in a land of gun violence until then.

 

The decision to change the name happened before his friend was shot.

 

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/02/why_abe_pollin_went_from_bulle.html

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29 minutes ago, the admiral said:

If you're sensitive to the existence of the Washington Bullets because gun violence exists, you have the mind of a child. It just meant they were really fast! The logos didn't even have anything to do with bullets from the time they moved from Baltimore to DC -- maybe that's why they sold so poorly by the mid-'90s.

 

At the time, since gun violence was so prevalent in dc, I'm thinking he just didn't want the nation conotating gun violence with dc... look at Chicago nowadays, Chicago Bullets would probably make people cringe, cause gun violence is so common there now. Phoenix Bullets, just as an example, isn't too cringeworthy though... I haven't looked at any statistics, and I was too young at that time, but it sounds like dc had much worse gun violence at that point, maybe that's why Abe thought it was the right thing to do. I'd like them to go back to the Bullets. But I can see why Abe changed it when he did 

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The Warriors released their uniform schedule for the full season. Here's the breakdown

 

Association- 28

Icon- 13

Statement- 14

Classic- 13

and a yet to be released jersey- 14

 

 

includes stretches of 9 straight (12/29-1/13) and 10 straight (2/6-3/2) games wearing alternates

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12 hours ago, OaklandIsBack said:

The Warriors released their uniform schedule for the full season. Here's the breakdown

 

Association- 28

Icon- 13

Statement- 14

Classic- 13

and a yet to be released jersey- 14

 

 

includes stretches of 9 straight (12/29-1/13) and 10 straight (2/6-3/2) games wearing alternates

 

With splits like that, isn’t every uniform an alternate? 

 

I don’t follow the NBA closely, so can anyone who does provide some insight into how all of the different uniforms are being perceived on telecasts and by fans in general outside this community? 

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