raz Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 31 minutes ago, BottomlessPitt said: Vernon Krause, the billionaire spearheading the return of the NHL to Atlanta, said in an interview that if the NHL does indeed expand to Atlanta, that he hopes to drop puck for the 2027-28 season. Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 59 minutes ago, raz said: Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 10 hours ago, raz said: Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? I just get the vibe that Atlanta just isn't a hockey town and never will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 5 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said: I just get the vibe that Atlanta just isn't a hockey town and never will be. I see what you did there. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 12 hours ago, raz said: Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? Not before Quebec City gets a second chance. Or Houston/Salt Lake City/Portland gets a first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Do not ever underestimate the power of a wealthy man's money. If dude has enough money to found a team, and if the amount of money is enough to entice Bettman to let him in to the good ol' NHL owners club, Atlanta will have another team, whether any of us like it, think it makes sense, or not. Now whether it actually succeeds or not depends on how the owner invests in the club and how the front office manages the franchise. (Personally, I think the NHL would better succeed in a place like Omaha or Salt Lake City, but whatever...) 6 Quote *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 (edited) 38 minutes ago, tBBP said: Do not ever underestimate the power of a wealthy man's money. Yyyyyep. I know deep down that if someone with enough gumption and resources to make something happen wants it to happen, it’ll happen. I don’t like it, I never have liked it and I never will like it, but that’s just the world we live in. Maybe the third time really is the charm? Edited March 8 by Red Comet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infrared41 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 15 hours ago, raz said: Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? No. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 Houston will probably pitch to the NHL a need for an in-state rivalry for the Stars and the belief that Houston can be as big of a hockey town, if not bigger than Dallas. Just because the NHL has worked in Dallas does not mean it can work in Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerslionspistonshabs Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 I do remember the Aeros always being well supported, as far as AHL goes at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler2 Posted March 8 Share Posted March 8 This Vernon Krause fellow seems more devoted in the NHL succeeding in Atlanta (might bring the Thrashers identity back too) compared to Ted Turner and Atlanta Spirit. Neither gave a $hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 4 hours ago, BottomlessPitt said: This Vernon Krause fellow seems more devoted in the NHL succeeding in Atlanta (might bring the Thrashers identity back too) compared to Ted Turner and Atlanta Spirit. Neither gave a $hit. He can be as devoted as he wants, doesn’t change the fact that Atlanta is a failed market twice now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 1 hour ago, dont care said: He can be as devoted as he wants, doesn’t change the fact that Atlanta is a failed market twice now. Like I said earlier in this thread, at least I think it was this thread, the relocation of the prior two Atlanta franchises can be argued away if wanted. At the very least, I definitely think it's disingenuous to hold the Flames move against any potential future Atlanta team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 9 hours ago, GDAWG said: Houston will probably pitch to the NHL a need for an in-state rivalry for the Stars and the belief that Houston can be as big of a hockey town, if not bigger than Dallas. Just because the NHL has worked in Dallas does not mean it can work in Houston. "Houston has 8 million people" yeah and like 5 million of them are just stumbling around strung out on codeine soda so who cares. 1 hour ago, monkeypower said: Like I said earlier in this thread, at least I think it was this thread, the relocation of the prior two Atlanta franchises can be argued away if wanted. Every relocation can be argued away. One man's Norm Green or Peter Karmanos is another man's, uh, Pissed About Joe Johnson's Contract Guy. I think replicating the Phoenix Coyotes situation, right down to a 17,000-seat arena 20 miles from the downtown arena in a transplant-heavy region and crowded live-venue market, is harder to handwave. Incidentally, the Coyotes are the one relocation that no one can argue away because they won't let it f-cking happen. 2 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrandeOrange Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 With Atlanta United, Atlanta has shown it can use its' transplant city powers as a positive feature assuming that many of those transplants don't come to the city with strong NHL allegiances. I think a thing that gets lost in conversations about places as a "good" or "bad" market is that almost every market is pretty pliable and the teams' success relies on a mix of team success/marketing/how easy the arena is to get to/how many other teams are in the area. Nobody is clamouring for Vegas or Tampa Bay or even Nashville to move, even though those are just as bad of "hockey" markets as Atlanta in a vacuum, but all have winning teams with good marketing and easy enough arenas to get to (as opposed to Tampa's baseball stadium). At least within the context of the NHL, you have Toronto and Montréal where the team will be the top story no matter what and then basically everyone else is somewhere in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Good on the Virginia Assembly for turning down a potential Caps and Wizards arena in Alexandria....or at least not putting the issue on this year's budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 9 Author Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, LaGrandeOrange said: With Atlanta United, Atlanta has shown it can use its' transplant city powers as a positive feature assuming that many of those transplants don't come to the city with strong NHL allegiances Bad news: they do, generally for the Rangers and Flyers 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampyrRabbit Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 2024-03-08 at 3:51 AM, BottomlessPitt said: Vernon Krause, the billionaire spearheading the return of the NHL to Atlanta, said in an interview that if the NHL does indeed expand to Atlanta, that he hopes to drop puck for the 2027-28 season. So that should mean that a Canadian city should get the franchise sometime around 2039. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chcarlson23 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 9 minutes ago, The_Admiral said: Bad news: they do, generally for the Rangers and Flyers And even if they do happen to have a strong allegiance to a team from their original hometown, winning can really shift that. The Lightning probably have gone through some stretches of having many “outta town” fans being transplants, but after 3 Cups and about a decade of success, I don’t think they’re really worried about the Rangers or Bruins drawing more fans for those games. And certainly not other places like Minnesota, Michigan, or Ohio. But contrast that to a place like Phoenix, where the team and management always stinks, and it leads to the tiny 5,000 seater being about 99% road fans. For Atlanta, if they do want to make things work, as long as they market well, and use those transplants to fill seats, it won’t matter that the crowd is mostly road fans for a while. But they’ll have to start winning, and look more like a Nashville, Dallas, or Tampa than a Phoenix, otherwise this franchise could be the Nordiques 2.0 Quote "And those who know Your Name put their trust in You, for You, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek You." Psalms 9:10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 On 3/7/2024 at 8:23 PM, raz said: Does Atlanta deserve a third chance? They didn’t deserve a second chance! 2 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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