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5 minutes ago, NicDB said:

 

I don't know about the gold numbers. But it needs to be athletic gold. Vegas gold just doesn't work on baseball uniforms due to the lack of contrast with gray.

 

Tell me about it.

 

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I haven't looked at this design up-close in a long time, but its messiness is painfully obvious. The faint blue outline around parts of the gold is a game-breaker for me. Let's just hope the Brewers follow the Padres' lead in cleaning up their designs (hopefully with this wordmark put out to pasture).

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6 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Tell me about it.

 

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I haven't looked at this design up-close in a long time, but its messiness is painfully obvious. The faint blue outline around parts of the gold is a game-breaker for me. Let's just hope the Brewers follow the Padres' lead in cleaning up their designs (hopefully with this wordmark put out to pasture).

I think this is an unpopular opinion but I really like this script and while I do think the colors are a bit drab, I think it is the best look the brew crew have had

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34 minutes ago, BellaSpurs said:

I think this is an unpopular opinion but I really like this script and while I do think the colors are a bit drab, I think it is the best look the brew crew have had

I agree. It's one of my favorite looks in baseball.

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Tell me about it.

 

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I haven't looked at this design up-close in a long time, but its messiness is painfully obvious. The faint blue outline around parts of the gold is a game-breaker for me. Let's just hope the Brewers follow the Padres' lead in cleaning up their designs (hopefully with this wordmark put out to pasture).

 

I have an old Brewers BP jersey and the regular hat and the gold looks great up close. The gold in the Brewers actual logos look pretty dull but on the actual hat and jerseys it's fantastic.

 

This picture of a game worn jersey from Ebay shows what I mean. The picture is using flash though.

 

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Let's not open up that can of worms that is the Brewers identity crisis in the Padres thread.

 

The issue is that metallic gold looks objectively terrible on a road gray. Sure, it looks good enough when you examine it up close, but on players who are moving around?

 

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The only place you even notice the gold is the sleeve piping which has the benefit of the dark blue border. You could tell someone with no idea what the Brewers uniforms are supposed to look like that it's the only place where there is any gold and they'd never think to question it.

 

Unless the Padres want to commit to exclusively wearing colored tops on the road, they'd do well to stick to yellow-gold.

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3 hours ago, NicDB said:

 

I don't know about the gold numbers. But it needs to be athletic gold. Vegas gold just doesn't work on baseball uniforms due to the lack of contrast with gray.

 

Yup...no tan/sand/vegas gold for the Padres.  All that will do is make everything look drab, especially when paired with brown.

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10 hours ago, fnz said:

I agree. It's one of my favorite looks in baseball.

Yeah, I'm a braves fan, but I appreciate that script. Just recolor it to navy/Royal and yellow.

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Ew.  No thanks.  They need a complete overhaul around the new primary logo. 

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Would be nice if the Padres logo had the swining friar! Also have Pittsburgh bring back the cartoon Pirate but sadly Cleveland won't bring back Chief Wahoo and Atlanta won't bring back the screaming Brave logo.

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36 minutes ago, ThunderCeltic said:

Would be nice if the Padres logo had the swining friar! Also have Pittsburgh bring back the cartoon Pirate but sadly Cleveland won't bring back Chief Wahoo and Atlanta won't bring back the screaming Brave logo.

 

Thank f--k. Those logos should be condemned to the dustbin of history. It'd be nice if Cleveland could drop the "Indians" script from their uniforms in the redesign, pulling a Rangers by wearing the block "Cleveland" wordmark on all of their uniforms. 

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47 minutes ago, ThunderCeltic said:

Would be nice if the Padres logo had the swining friar! Also have Pittsburgh bring back the cartoon Pirate but sadly Cleveland won't bring back Chief Wahoo and Atlanta won't bring back the screaming Brave logo.

Bc pirates and friars are way different than the inaccurate and racist representations of Native Americans? I among many are very glad they’re gone

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25 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Thank f--k. Those logos should be condemned to the dustbin of history. It'd be nice if Cleveland could drop the "Indians" script from their uniforms in the redesign, pulling a Rangers by wearing the block "Cleveland" wordmark on all of their uniforms. 

If the mascot name has become so taboo (not getting into whether it is or isn't) that they cannot even tastefully wear it on their home whites, then they need to change it entirely. I see no point in adopting a band-aid solution along the lines of what you suggest.

 

If there's one practice in MLB attire that peeves me more than anything, it's when a team wears the name of the city/region/state instead of the mascot on their home whites. I'm looking at you, Marlins.

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1 hour ago, Marlins93 said:

If the mascot name has become so taboo (not getting into whether it is or isn't) that they cannot even tastefully wear it on their home whites, then they need to change it entirely. I see no point in adopting a band-aid solution along the lines of what you suggest.

 

This.

 

If the name is antiquated enough to have to avoid the visual branding of the identity itself as not to offend people (Which in this case is totally justified), just ditch it already. 

 

They also have the option to go with a name that's a bit of a nod to Cleveland baseball history that is unique, dignified, and IMO, completely and totally awesome. 

 

Cleveland Spiders FTW, y'all. 

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Guardians also works for me, as does Forests, Dobys (if we can’t have a Negro League name in MLB, name a team after the first African-American in the AL), and Spiders. I suppose you can get specific with spider species, to avoid the “worst team ever, ignoring extenuating circumstances that caused said record” crowd.

 

The Cleveland Cleveland would be an excellent stopgap though. Wearing an outlined block C on the home uniform could work as well. I just want the name to go, since the uniforms really don’t work as well without Wahoo. The block C plays like the uniform equivalent of this:

 

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Granted, Cleveland Baseball Club plays like this as well, but at least the change is more thorough than what they have now. 

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

The Cleveland Cleveland would be an excellent really brutal stopgap though that would get ridiculed by every critic on the planet.

 

Fixed it to better reflect reality. 

 

I'm fine with Cleveland Spiders.

 

edit: Dobys would be cool, and would be tangential to the Browns in a lot of ways, but the imagery would be as generic as the Browns and/or the current C. A script "Dobys" would be as far as anyone could go with the overall aesthetic. But Cleveland Dobys has a good sound to it. 

 

Cleveland Baseball Club or Cleveland Cleveland or Cleveland BC would be utterly laughable. The secondary effect with being so generic is Clevelanders will still call them the "Indians" but keep it on the hush-hush and 90% of the stadium would wear "They're still the Indians to me" shirts. So you really haven't solved anything. 

 

This thread about the Padres will be locked eventually because "Hey Wahoo and Native Americans for the billionth time"

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Yeah, good idea. 

 

I’m just surprised that “Padres” hasn’t come under fire, given modern Catholic priests’ sex crimes and the historical “Padres” trying to wipe out Native American culture. 

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1 minute ago, SFGiants58 said:

Yeah, good idea. 

 

I’m just surprised that “Padres” hasn’t come under fire, given modern Catholic priests’ sex crimes and the historical “Padres” trying to wipe out Native American culture. 

I think it might have except that they went for the San Diego Surf look in the early 2000s and got rid of the friar. Fans wanted the friar, and now brown back. 

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24 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

Yeah, good idea. 

 

I’m just surprised that “Padres” hasn’t come under fire, given modern Catholic priests’ sex crimes and the historical “Padres” trying to wipe out Native American culture. 

 

When people think of Padres baseball, nobody really thinks of Catholic priest sex abuse. Context matters. 

 

And a bunch of other team names across pro and college sports would have to be changed if you're attempting to link them to settlement turf battles more than 100 years ago. I don't think people really take team names that deep. It's just sports. 

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There's also no way to argue that the Padres name should be scrapped without the name of the city itself going with it.

I might relegate the Swinging Friar to fodder for throwback merch.  But even that's because I feel going back to brown is a strong enough nod to the team's nickname, and because I feel the interlocking SD is the strongest part of their brand and should be the focus.

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Yeah, I’m in a bit of a brain funk today when it comes to posting. It’s what happens when I’m sleep-deprived, as I tend to get antsy.

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