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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

Also, can we reflect on how the 1985-2003 "Padres" wordmark looks like hot garbage?

 

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The faint outlines, drop shadow, and the letters' construction is pretty ugly. I'll take the '69-'71 wordmarks over this mess any day.

That wordmark looks like it came from one of those early 80s news/sports intro graphics when people first learned how to make cheesy 3D like effects.

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29 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Who else do you have in mind for cream at home? I only really like it for the Giants. It feels like the Lakers in yellow at home, where anyone else doing it cheapens it. A lot to be said for crisp whites on the baseball field. Cardinals could pull it off, maybe, but they're fine as they are.

 

I've suggested that the Diamondbacks do it, per their 1998-2006 home uniforms:

 

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Pair that with a sandier road uniform (or something with a bit of greenish/yellowish-gray tint) and you'd have something better than the super dark grey.

 

22 minutes ago, the admiral said:

I was thinking about the Pirates maybe being able to swing it. Hard no on the Orioles with the other orange/black already doing off-white. Black/white/orange is very striking.

 

The Twins, if they went back to pinstripes, maybe, but there's another one where real white looks good.

 

In my experiments, I've found that yellow and creme rarely go together, as they tend to bleed into one another. The Twins, while I like them with real white, also look fantastic in off-white.

 

19 minutes ago, LMU said:

That wordmark looks like it came from one of those early 80s news/sports intro graphics when people first learned how to make cheesy 3D like effects.

 

You've put into words exactly why that design looks terrible! It's not that I have anything against drop shadow, it's just that the only way to truly do it right is to make it part of the outline or exclude outlines entirely (a la the St. Louis Browns):

 

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The Padres did the 1969 Cleveland technique, which rarely looks good. 

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Just now, bcon_731 said:

What are the chances they can get a brown/orange sunday set? 

I hope not. I hope they get a great brown/yellow set and stick with only those colors for at least 3 years. Gain some traction. 

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6 minutes ago, hawk36 said:

I hope not. I hope they get a great brown/yellow set and stick with only those colors for at least 3 years. Gain some traction. 

Do you think the nike takeover will ruin anything? Or ill be a seamless turnover? 

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48 minutes ago, bcon_731 said:

What are the chances they can get a brown/orange sunday set? 

 

Likely 0. Sunday in San Diego means camo for military Sunday. I don’t see that changing as it remains the Padres most popular jersey and one of the most popular promotions.

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3 hours ago, the admiral said:

Hard no on the Orioles with the other orange/black already doing off-white.

I never even realized that. You're right. Eh, I'll sub them out for the Diamonbacks going back to their World Series look @SFGiants58 suggested.

 

3 hours ago, the admiral said:

The Twins, if they went back to pinstripes, maybe, but there's another one where real white looks good.

The Twins are in kind of a no-man's land in terms of identity. Adding all of that gold really did muddle the brand. I'm not even sure what the Twins are supposed to be anymore.

 

2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

In my experiments, I've found that yellow and creme rarely go together, as they tend to bleed into one another.

I still think the Pirates could make it work. You'd just have to use gold elements with black outlines at home. Which isn't a bad prospect, really.

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21 minutes ago, Whitesox572 said:

I wish they would have stayed with the 2016 All-Star color scheme (blue and yellow).

 

Agreed. Best they’ve worn since the ‘98 style set.

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That was a really odd set. They only had it for a season, didn't they? They ended up going back to navy and white afterward...

 

Was it just because they were hosting the All-Star Game? And felt the need to add another color to the logo? That was odd as well because I believe the uniforms for the games were based off of their throwbacks. The whole thing just felt like a mess.

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1 hour ago, Dolphins Dynasty said:

That was a really odd set. They only had it for a season, didn't they? They ended up going back to navy and white afterward...

 

Was it just because they were hosting the All-Star Game? And felt the need to add another color to the logo? That was odd as well because I believe the uniforms for the games were based off of their throwbacks. The whole thing just felt like a mess.

 

It was a one year thing for the ASG. And no their unis for the game were a one off away uni based on that blue and yellow home set. 

 

Now the BP jerseys for the ASG were a kind of throwback based off the late 70’s and early 80’s jerseys. But those weren’t a Padres brass decision. Those as I understand it were mandated by MLB like all ASG BP unis. 

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That was the dumbest part of that whole Padres 2016 switch. Due to some weirdness, they were designated as the road team in the All Star Game and couldn’t even use the jersey they changed to for that specific reason. 

 

And I would’ve been totally cool had they kept the yellow/gold. It was a weird choice, but it did have some historical link, and frankly it looked great. The addition of yellow gave the Padres a splash of color they desperately needed and frankly, it looked really sharp. The duel color letters on the home cap looked awesome, and harkened back to the 1998 World Series set a bit. It was also a bit of a subtle dig at the Chargers (intentional or not) for their move to LA. Had they kept that as a basis for their look and expanded the gold to the rest of the package, I could’ve been completely fine with what they wore. But, no. They had to immediately switch back to the drab navy and white because they’re the Padres, and the Padres have proven themselves time and time again to be the absolute dumbest organization in Major League Baseball. 

 

 

The move to brown and gold is the right move for them (much to the chagrin of @bosrs1 it may be), but I REALLY hope they don’t :censored: this up. Considering it’s the Padres, though? I don’t trust them as far as I can throw Tnak. I FULLY expect them to find some way to ruin this. 

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10 hours ago, the admiral said:

Who else do you have in mind for cream at home? I only really like it for the Giants. It feels like the Lakers in yellow at home, where anyone else doing it cheapens it. A lot to be said for crisp whites on the baseball field. Cardinals could pull it off, maybe, but they're fine as they are.

 

The Brewers could maybe pull it off, Milwaukee being the “Cream City” and all. 

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12 hours ago, the admiral said:

Who else do you have in mind for cream at home? I only really like it for the Giants. It feels like the Lakers in yellow at home, where anyone else doing it cheapens it. A lot to be said for crisp whites on the baseball field. Cardinals could pull it off, maybe, but they're fine as they are.

I still wish for the day my Dodgers would have a Sunday cream home jersey. No name on back, thicker numbers, and no LA side patch.

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Ah the ole Padres. The MLB's version of the Vancouver Canucks. A new set of uniforms every other year.

 

They should stay with brown and yellow and be unique. 95% of the league either has blue or red.

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8 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

That was the dumbest part of that whole Padres 2016 switch. Due to some weirdness, they were designated as the road team in the All Star Game and couldn’t even use the jersey they changed to for that specific reason. 

 

And I would’ve been totally cool had they kept the yellow/gold. It was a weird choice, but it did have some historical link, and frankly it looked great. The addition of yellow gave the Padres a splash of color they desperately needed and frankly, it looked really sharp. The duel color letters on the home cap looked awesome, and harkened back to the 1998 World Series set a bit. It was also a bit of a subtle dig at the Chargers (intentional or not) for their move to LA. Had they kept that as a basis for their look and expanded the gold to the rest of the package, I could’ve been completely fine with what they wore. But, no. They had to immediately switch back to the drab navy and white because they’re the Padres, and the Padres have proven themselves time and time again to be the absolute dumbest organization in Major League Baseball. 

 

 

The move to brown and gold is the right move for them (much to the chagrin of @bosrs1 it may be), but I REALLY hope they don’t :censored: this up. Considering it’s the Padres, though? I don’t trust them as far as I can throw Tnak. I FULLY expect them to find some way to ruin this. 

 

Honestly if they had stayed blue and yellow, which I agree was a great look for a host of reasons, we likely would not be discussing a move to brown and yellow now. It was the asinine switch to blue and white (not even the blue and sand that preceded the ASG), that really ramped up the brown campaign. And admittedly the current blue and white is one of the most drab uniforms ever devised.

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1 hour ago, bosrs1 said:

 

Honestly if they had stayed blue and yellow, which I agree was a great look for a host of reasons, we likely would not be discussing a move to brown and yellow now. It was the asinine switch to blue and white (not even the blue and sand that preceded the ASG), that really ramped up the brown campaign. And admittedly the current blue and white is one of the most drab uniforms ever devised.

 

No denying that the navy and yellow looked better, but I don't think I'm the only one who feels we're all better off in the long run now that we're getting the Padres back in brown and the Brewers appear to be on the path to navy and yellow.

 

This also makes the NL West the only division in baseball where each team has a unique primary color.

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Also, the Chargers skipping town may have hindered the "just bring back navy/yellow" approach. 

 

7 minutes ago, NicDB said:

 

No denying that the navy and yellow looked better, but I don't think I'm the only one who feels we're all better off in the long run now that we're getting the Padres back in brown and the Brewers appear to be on the path to navy and yellow.

 

This also makes the NL West the only division in baseball where each team has a unique primary color.

 

Agreed! Navy/yellow Brewers and brown/yellow Padres works for me. MLB has no need to be as blue/yellow heavy as the NBA or even the NHL (with the recent news about the Sabres).

 

I would debate the "primary color" point, as the Diamondbacks, Rockies, and Giants all extensively use black. It's just that the secondary colors and their respective uses (secondary or co-dominant) are different for each team. 

 

The redesign should hopefully kill off the font they've been using for 15 years, the notorious Petcopark.ttf:

 

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It's not a good flare serif font, especially not in brown/yellow. Brown/yellow needs something a bit more ornate, like the '69-'71's or a Gaslamp Quarter look:

 

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"Primary color" probably isn't the right term but yes every team in the NL West has a unique "main(?)" color that they're associated with... purple, orange, royal blue, brown, sedona red. It's pretty awesome as a whole.

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I’ve always thought of the Giants as black first, orange second, not the other way around.

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