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I think victorino deserved a few games, but so did Whiteside.

But all Whiteside did was hop around like a bunny and aggressively hug Polanco at the knees. You just don't get the fraternity of baseball, bro.

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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It's one of those "records" that's more of a flukey thing though as opposed to a true signifier of excellence. I mean you have to be a good player to be putting the ball in play enough times every game to have at least bounce in there, but it also means you didn't draw a lot of walks or get pitched around, and I'd be willing to bet that DiMaggio got a few lucky bounces in there (not that every hitter good or bad doesn't get lucky bounces, I'm just saying that while it's the hardest record to break, it's also one of the least meaningful.)

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I can't remember the last time a team traded their top 2 prospects for 1 question mark in the same trade.

You could argue that they didn't.

Looking at the recent prospect lists, Kipnis was the Top Prospect according to Kevin Goldstein. He was 15, Pomeranz was 20, and White wasn't on his Top 50. By Baseball America, Pomeranz was 14, Kipnis was 31, and White again wasn't in the Top 50.

In the long run, the rankings don't matter too much. The Indians paid a :censored:ing haul, probably the biggest prospect collection since the Diamondbacks acquisition of Dan Haren or the Braves picking up Mark Teixeira... I still don't think it makes a lot of sense, because I don't think this season is truly the Indians competitive window, but I guess we'll all know for sure int he long run.

Kipnis is the Indians' best prospect, hands down. And it's common knowledge that Pomeranz dropped in the draft, and White's already started having injury issues (once again, read: Adam Miller). Also, in 10 starts from June 1st onto the trade rumors, once again, Jimenez had a sub-2.60 era with a K/9 over 9. I think that right there is what the Indians were paying for.

Also, the Indians competitive window really runs through 2013, maybe 2014. Why? Here you go...

-After the 2012 season, Grady Sizemore becomes a free agent

-After the 2013 season, Asdrubal Cabrera, Shin-Soo Choo, and Travis Hafner all become free agents, in addition now to Jimenez.

-After the 2014 season, Chris Perez and Justin Masterson both become free agents.

The Tribe can MAYBE resign one of Cabrera and Choo, and that would likely come at the cost of not being able to sign Masterson. There's no way they'd get them both. That's why you make the deal, you don't kill too much salary and you get a #1-potential guy for the next couple years when you can contend. Say what you want, but even if Pomeranz and White turn out to be #1's (which I don't think they will, to be honest), what would they do with this lineup?

Trevor Crowe, Michael Brantley, ??? RF, Chisenhall, ??? SS, Kipnis, LaPorta, Santana, ??? DH.

The fact of the matter is, if Cliff Lee and King Felix couldn't make it work in Seattle with a sub-par lineup, how are those two guys gonna do it?

The window's now, not when Pomeranz and White mature. Here's to hoping it turns out to be a "win" for both sides.

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I hope he gets it. Just to see a record like this fall in our time would amazing.

But so many have come close and all have failed.

I wouldn't say many have "come close" when their streaks ended three weeks short of DiMaggio's streak.

It amazes me that you have to get a hit in every game for nearly two months...or nearly 1/3rd of the season...to equal the record hit streak. Dan Uggla still has to get a hit in every game for another month!

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Huge win for the Tribe tonight. Could really propel them in this series and the rest of the year. Tomorrow should be interesting... Jimenez'll have to be on with both bullpens shot (rain delay in the 3rd, 14-inning game, 12 innings of work for each bullpen), as will whoever starts for Detroit.

What if?

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I'm going to pay for staying out that late but that was quite a ballgame.

Good for the Tribe's bullpen to bounce back.

What really gets me is the "great fan" stuff. It's sad to think of our country as a "Steeler Nation", because that would mean that we're a country of near-sighted inbreds from the mountains that can't speak competent English.

Let's go Brownies!

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WTF? A walk-off HBP in extra innings? When has that ever happened before?

Gotta be Fukudome's fisr walk-off in the majors, and it was by way of HPB -- the only way he was gonna get one.

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It's one of those "records" that's more of a flukey thing though as opposed to a true signifier of excellence. I mean you have to be a good player to be putting the ball in play enough times every game to have at least bounce in there, but it also means you didn't draw a lot of walks or get pitched around, and I'd be willing to bet that DiMaggio got a few lucky bounces in there (not that every hitter good or bad doesn't get lucky bounces, I'm just saying that while it's the hardest record to break, it's also one of the least meaningful.)

I don't think it's the hardest to get, but I agree that it is more a fun thing to have done than an incredible accomplishment. A guy could theoretically hit .100 for an entire season, but if all 57 of his hits came one per game in consecutive games, he would get the record. Compare that to hitting .400, it isn't even close. To hit .400 you have to bring it every single game. Especially with the bullpen specialization now, you would almost have to get to the starter nearly twice per game, and that doesn't account for how many times they are going to walk you because you are hitting close to .400.

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Dan Uggla now has a 30 game hitting streak.

Is he even hitting .230 yet?

No he isn't.

Those of us that have watched Uggla all season are really pleased that this is happening for him right now. The good luck he has had over the last month has been on par with the terrible luck he had before the All-Star break. He hit the ball hard. He hustled every time. He kept his head up. He tried as hard as someone can try. When asked earlier in the year about fans booing him, his response was "I would boo me too" But the terrible average wasn't for his lack of trying. I've watched every inning of every Braves game this year and I can tell you the guy hustles each and every time. This couldn't be happening to a better guy right now. When you talk about the record, it is quite impressive no matter how much luck is involved. I would love to see how close he gets. If his streak ended today, it would still be great that he had the opportunity to experience it given the bad luck he had over the first few months of the season.

 
 
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It's one of those "records" that's more of a flukey thing though as opposed to a true signifier of excellence. I mean you have to be a good player to be putting the ball in play enough times every game to have at least bounce in there, but it also means you didn't draw a lot of walks or get pitched around, and I'd be willing to bet that DiMaggio got a few lucky bounces in there (not that every hitter good or bad doesn't get lucky bounces, I'm just saying that while it's the hardest record to break, it's also one of the least meaningful.)

I don't think it's the hardest to get, but I agree that it is more a fun thing to have done than an incredible accomplishment. A guy could theoretically hit .100 for an entire season, but if all 57 of his hits came one per game in consecutive games, he would get the record. Compare that to hitting .400, it isn't even close. To hit .400 you have to bring it every single game. Especially with the bullpen specialization now, you would almost have to get to the starter nearly twice per game, and that doesn't account for how many times they are going to walk you because you are hitting close to .400.

That's the one thing that is messed up about DiMaggio's streak. It came in a year where Ted Williams hit .406. But the Williams story was on the back page while the DiMaggio streak got all the publicity.

 
 
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