2024-25 NHL Changes

[tBBP]

4 hours ago, DTConcepts said:

What’s even the point of having a team in Salt Lake if they don’t bring these back?

 

 

I mentioned this once before in [one of these] threads before several people shot back with now-30-year-old examples of dual nicknames existing across two different leagues, well before IP and trademark law/awareness was at the level it is now, but the Utah NHLs may not be able to use "Grizzlies" if the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies decide to file a trademark suit on that nickname. (Of course, that'd also require the Grizzlies to a/ be paying attention to all this and b/ care enough to actually do that, so...)

 

I bring all this up because I remember VGK ran into this same issue trying to procure the name "Knights"...except they couldn't because  the junior league London Knights already had the nickname. Granted, same sport, but two different leagues, so the precedent is there.

 

2 hours ago, nash61 said:

Icethetics' fantasy hockey league, the IceHL, had a Salt Lake City team, the Scorpions.

 

This entire identity would be incredible.

 

I don't know how much I like that identity...but I do like that nickname. If the NHL team isn't beholden to the "Utah" identifier per state law (and that would depend on who's financing the building of a new arena), then "Salt Lake Scorpions" has a nice ring to it.

[FiddySicks]

I dunno. The Winnipeg Jets came back in 2011. It’s not like using the name of a team in another league is unheard of this century or anything. 

[MDGP]

31 minutes ago, tBBP said:

 

I mentioned it before before several people shot back with now-30-year-old examples of dual nicknames existing across two different leagues, well before IP and trademark law/awareness was at the level it is now, but the Utah NHLs may not be able to use "Grizzlies" if the NBA's Memphis Grizzlies decide to file a trademark suit on that nickname. (Of course, that'd also require the Grizzlies to a/ be paying attention to all this and b/ care enough to actually do that, so...)

 

It really demonstrates how people don't understand the way that trademark enforcement works.

 

Trademark law specifically requires organizations to protect their trademark or they lose the right to do so in the future. Because that is a specific part of enforcement, the failure to enforce one's own trademark does not automatically mean that there is precedent that other teams cannot protect their own trademark, just as you noted with the Grizzlies.

 

People like to bring up the Jets, but the New York Jets had played for years while the Winnipeg Jets existed. The ship had sailed decades earlier on them using trademark protections to stop a team named the Winnipeg Jets from existing.

 

Of course, this is all soft IP law, so it also wouldn't be out of the norm for a judge to interpret things in a completely different manner and then create conflict of law that just muddles everything further.

[eRay]

I think they'll go the OKC Thunder route and pick a singular name, kind of generic and weather/outdoorsy/hockey related and use a bighorn or bison in the logo., or at the very least as the mascot.

I'm thinking

Blizzard

Stampede

Frenzy

Fury

Swift

Rhythm

Altitude

Or something along those lines. Go full 90's-00's with the naming. Mind you, this is not what I submitted, just what I predict.

[DPHF]

The Utah Jazz and the Utah Buzz

[MEANS]

On 4/12/2024 at 10:41 AM, randyc said:

 

Was it any different from their branding at the time? Or just a full elevation of the identity?

I'm sorry I was mistaken, it was a Winnipeg Polar Bears logo slick that I saw.

[4_tattoos]

14 hours ago, Sykotyk said:

Utah Archers (rust red, sand, and black; Wild themed anomalous logo)

Name is taken

 

https://premierlacrosseleague.com/teams/utah-archers

[Sykotyk]

2 minutes ago, 4_tattoos said:

Name is taken

 

https://premierlacrosseleague.com/teams/utah-archers

Well, that's disappointing.

[chakdaddy]

Utah Jazz Hockey Club

 

They can use the yellow jerseys

[Haz_Matt]

1 hour ago, DPHF said:

The Utah Jazz and the Utah Buzz

The minor league baseball team in Salt Lake was the Buzz before changing to the Bees. IIRC they had to change due to something with Georgia Tech 

[DPHF]

1 hour ago, Haz_Matt said:

The minor league baseball team in Salt Lake was the Buzz before changing to the Bees. IIRC they had to change due to something with Georgia Tech 

I owe you an apology, new Bees. I wasn't really familiar with your former name. 

[VancouverFan69]

Besides coming up with a big league professional name instead of a singular Tier II name, I do hope the team uses "Salt Lake City" instead of the state identity. The team can be referenced to as SLC in short. Leave Utah for the Jazz and a future NFL team

[4_tattoos]

44 minutes ago, VancouverFan69 said:

Leave Utah for the Jazz and a future NFL team

[CJR]

6 hours ago, tBBP said:

I bring all this up because I remember VGK ran into this same issue trying to procure the name "Knights"...except they couldn't because  the junior league London Knights already had the nickname. Granted, same sport, but two different leagues, so the precedent is there.

 

This keeps getting repeated and isn't entirely true.

At one point, Bill Foley said that his team couldn't be the Knights because of London and everyone ran with that.  Foley said a lot of things at that time that weren't entirely true.  The London Knights explicitly said that no one from Vegas even asked them about using the name and Foley later said it was always going to be the something Knights.

 

We only have to look at the next expansion to see how it can work out.  Seattle's ownership filed a trademark application for Palm Springs Firebirds as their AHL team.  The OHL Flint Firebirds opposed it.  The two sides worked out a deal and Flint dropped their opposition (and then the Firebirds switched to "Coachella Valley" as their place name).

 

The Memphis Grizzlies (or any other trademark holder) might choose to fight harder than the Flint Firebirds did but it's not the automatic rejection that it's sometimes made out to be.

[Klondyke]

2 hours ago, CJR said:

 

This keeps getting repeated and isn't entirely true.

At one point, Bill Foley said that his team couldn't be the Knights because of London and everyone ran with that.  Foley said a lot of things at that time that weren't entirely true.  The London Knights explicitly said that no one from Vegas even asked them about using the name and Foley later said it was always going to be the something Knights.

 

We only have to look at the next expansion to see how it can work out.  Seattle's ownership filed a trademark application for Palm Springs Firebirds as their AHL team.  The OHL Flint Firebirds opposed it.  The two sides worked out a deal and Flint dropped their opposition (and then the Firebirds switched to "Coachella Valley" as their place name).

 

The Memphis Grizzlies (or any other trademark holder) might choose to fight harder than the Flint Firebirds did but it's not the automatic rejection that it's sometimes made out to be.

The (FKA) Denver (now Utah) "Grizzlies" were founded in 1994, a year before the (FKA) Vancouver Grizzlies played a game in 1995.

 

I think they would be able to use the name if they were to purchase it.

 

FTR, I don't even like the name, but it just might be the option that is easiest with all the copyright issues

[tigerslionspistonshabs]

Salt Lake (even Salt Lake City) is a much better way to go than Utah. Much harder to attach nicknames to 'Utah' IMO. And Salt Lake sounds much more 'hockey-y' if that makes sense.

[spartacat_12]

1 hour ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

Salt Lake (even Salt Lake City) is a much better way to go than Utah. Much harder to attach nicknames to 'Utah' IMO. And Salt Lake sounds much more 'hockey-y' if that makes sense.

 

Everything Smith has put out publicly about wanting an NHL team has specifically referenced bringing a team to "Utah". I think he sees it as a team for the whole state, so it makes sense from a branding perspective to not just go with Salt Lake.

 

Regardless of what the team ends up being called, we should inevitably be getting one of the more scenic outdoor games in league history.

 

 

[tigerslionspistonshabs]

16 minutes ago, spartacat_12 said:

 

Everything Smith has put out publicly about wanting an NHL team has specifically referenced bringing a team to "Utah". I think he sees it as a team for the whole state, so it makes sense from a branding perspective to not just go with Salt Lake.

 

Regardless of what the team ends up being called, we should inevitably be getting one of the more scenic outdoor games in league history.

 

 

 

That would be gorgeous.

[monkeypower]

Another name I could potentially like would be the Utah Raptors because a Utahraptor is an actual dinosaur... but that just ends up with the same issues as Grizzlies with a different NBA team.

[Foxxtrot44]

1 hour ago, spartacat_12 said:

 

Everything Smith has put out publicly about wanting an NHL team has specifically referenced bringing a team to "Utah". I think he sees it as a team for the whole state, so it makes sense from a branding perspective to not just go with Salt Lake.

 

Regardless of what the team ends up being called, we should inevitably be getting one of the more scenic outdoor games in league history.

 

 

 

This shot might help with future sight of a Winter Classic.