NHL 2011-2012: Possible Uniform Changes

[Morgan33]

Speaking of aesthetics, once the Board of Governors approve Atlanta's relocation to Winnipeg, how soon do we think it'll be before we learn the new identity of the Winnipeg NHL team?

I'm assuming it'll be much more thought out than the NBA-OKC disaster was a few years ago.

I would certainly hope so

[Lee.]

Bill Daly has apparently seen the proposals for Winnipeg's identity, and has said that most of the options are "on the right track."

IOW, no flying guitar picks.

[BLUELANDbeliever]

i can tell you one thing...dont get your hopes up for jets folks.

[Bayne]

thanks mate

[BBTV]

i can tell you one thing...dont get your hopes up for jets folks.

Do you have inside information or is this simply based on the articles and discussions that have been posted here since before the move?

[Gothamite]

Atlanta, Columbus, Florida, and Phoenix won't survive in the near future mostly because of fan support. I would include Nashville and Tampa Bay, because if they hit a rough patch with their young teams or in case there's a double-dip recession, who knows what will happen.

False. Atlanta was never given a fair chance. Bad ownership is not a fair chance. While yes, its obvious that the thrash are no more, don't blame the fans. The players know/knew the owners are bad, the fans know, and Bettman knows (as if that matters).

I'm sorry that you lost your team.

But fans have to accept their share of the blame. If you don't support the team, you may well lose it. Everybody knows that.

[BLUELANDbeliever]

i can tell you one thing...dont get your hopes up for jets folks.

Do you have inside information or is this simply based on the articles and discussions that have been posted here since before the move?

mix of both.

[troy_3223]

Panthers website background:

Looks like it's a couple of shots of Kulikov in the standard white Edge jersey, you can see the piping on the front. But the striping across the design is likely a clue to the new jersey striping.

In a desperate attempt to steer the thread back, I want to pick this apart a little. First off, after taking a closer look, I don't think this is just the standard white Edge jersey. First off, you can see the white outline around the crest. What looks like the piping should be navy on the white jersey, but this looks like it's either a seam or perhaps gold piping. You can see part of the sock striping, which matches the stripe across the picture. On the right, you can see what could be evidence of a rounded navy shoulder yoke.

I wish there were hem stripes, but this looks to be a pretty solid jersey set for the Panthers.

[Morgan33]

In a desperate attempt to steer the thread back, I want to pick this apart a little. First off, after taking a closer look, I don't think this is just the standard white Edge jersey. First off, you can see the white outline around the crest. What looks like the piping should be navy on the white jersey, but this looks like it's either a seam or perhaps gold piping. You can see part of the sock striping, which matches the stripe across the picture. On the right, you can see what could be evidence of a rounded navy shoulder yoke.

I wish there were hem stripes, but this looks to be a pretty solid jersey set for the Panthers.

This appears to be the standard Navy Home photoshoped so Navy and Red are reversed (save for the helmet and crest). The jersey definitly doesn't have rounded shoulder yokes because they curve too far inward around the collar. Besides why would Kulikov be celebrating a goal dressed in full gear wearing the new jersey? These leaves two options

A. This is just a quick mockup to give fans a rough idea of what to expect.

B. The Panthers are just making a Red version of their current jerseys.

I think the former is more likely because the Reebok Catalogue said both the Home and Away were changing and it makes little sense to show the jersey in it's entirety just a few weeks before the unveiling.

[crashcarson15]

No, that collar looks different from the one they usually use, and I see the yolk curving inwards on the picture on the right.

[Morgan33]

No, that collar looks different from the one they usually use, and I see the yolk curving inwards on the picture on the right.

Just like it does on the main jerseys

[nash61]

Panthers website background:

Looks like it's a couple of shots of Kulikov in the standard white Edge jersey, you can see the piping on the front. But the striping across the design is likely a clue to the new jersey striping.

In a desperate attempt to steer the thread back, I want to pick this apart a little. First off, after taking a closer look, I don't think this is just the standard white Edge jersey. First off, you can see the white outline around the crest. What looks like the piping should be navy on the white jersey, but this looks like it's either a seam or perhaps gold piping. You can see part of the sock striping, which matches the stripe across the picture. On the right, you can see what could be evidence of a rounded navy shoulder yoke.

I wish there were hem stripes, but this looks to be a pretty solid jersey set for the Panthers.

It's not the standard road jersey. He's wearing a blue helmet.

[elliott]

Also notice that in the teaser, the supposedly yellow piping doesn't appear to come in between the navy collar and the navy shoulders, although the yellow piping does separate those two elements in the current homes, as you can see above. The collar looks like the same design though (comes to a point, with a yellow panel for the NHL logo).

This makes me think either 1) the piping is there but the collars are simply different, 2) there isn't actually piping, or 3) this is just a bad photoshop and this isn't an accurate depiction at all.

At least they kept the sun logo and didn't use the awful "FLA" logo.

[FiddySicks]

I still think the NHL thought it was getting Cincinnati and Cleveland in the bargain, "splitting the difference" between them.

If so, didn't work. Was never going to work. But it seems plausible, given the NHL's track record.

To be fair part of the blame falls on Cleveland fans refusing to acknowledge the rest of Ohio exists.

Why should someone in one market automatically have to root for a team in a completely separate market just because of an (essentially) arbitrarily-decided-upon state boundary? If I'm in Cleveland, that's not my team.

Off topic edit: until this post, I had no idea that metro Cleveland was no longer the largest metro area in Ohio, and that it now trails Cincinnati. I knew Cleveland was hemorrhaging population and businesses, but I didn't realize that it had fallen that far.

Are east coast sports really that different than out west when it comes to support? I mean I can see why considering the density of population, but it's still a bit surprising that someone less than 200 miles away won't support teams because of the distance. Out west it's quite different in that a large population have to travel at LEAST that far to support anyone. The Sharks, Giants, Niners and Raiders have pretty large populations of fans who will travel from as far away as Reno and Los Angeles to support them on a regular basis. That's definitely how I grew up.

[WSU151]

I still think the NHL thought it was getting Cincinnati and Cleveland in the bargain, "splitting the difference" between them.

If so, didn't work. Was never going to work. But it seems plausible, given the NHL's track record.

To be fair part of the blame falls on Cleveland fans refusing to acknowledge the rest of Ohio exists.

Why should someone in one market automatically have to root for a team in a completely separate market just because of an (essentially) arbitrarily-decided-upon state boundary? If I'm in Cleveland, that's not my team.

Off topic edit: until this post, I had no idea that metro Cleveland was no longer the largest metro area in Ohio, and that it now trails Cincinnati. I knew Cleveland was hemorrhaging population and businesses, but I didn't realize that it had fallen that far.

Are east coast sports really that different than out west when it comes to support? I mean I can see why considering the density of population, but it's still a bit surprising that someone less than 200 miles away won't support teams because of the distance. Out west it's quite different in that a large population have to travel at LEAST that far to support anyone. The Sharks, Giants, Niners and Raiders have pretty large populations of fans who will travel from as far away as Reno and Los Angeles to support them on a regular basis. That's definitely how I grew up.

As stupid as it sounds, 200 miles on the east coast is completely different than 200 miles on the west coast.

[TFoA]

Is there any way this thread could be dedicated to the aesthetics of hockey as opposed to "which is the better city to support a hockey team." I keep clicking this thread in the hopes of seeing a Panthers leak and all I get is this tired argument...

This will not stop until the Panthers are moved to Medicine Hat.

EDIT: To stay on topic...I REALLY hope that the Panthers' new unis aren't just recolors of their current unis. A red jersey would be an improvement, but it'd be like moving up from an 'F' to a 'D.' You still lose.

[AndrewG70]

Hearing rumors up here regarding Seattle NHL in 2012 (Phoenix move?). Anyone outside of the area hearing this? Would be great to revive the old Seattle Metropolitans who won the Stanley Cup back in 1917.

wishful thinking. they got a TON of work to do

Understood but isn't 18,000 in Seattle at the Key Arena better than whatever Phoenix is drawing (12,000)? Rumors say something about a new arena in Bellevue area across the lake from Seattle. Been something we've heard for years regarding bringing the Sonics back but this is the first I've heard regarding the NHL.

You couldn't get 18000 in KeyArena if you let them stand on the ice. It holds a tad over 12000 for hockey and about 2000 aren't going to be able to see the South goal.

Ah didn't realize. Just figured it would be similar to basketball. My mistake. Still, IF there is a new arena in the works, wouldn't it make sense to have a team here in a "lame duck" arena awaiting a new arena nearby instead of a "lame duck" team awaiting a new city altogether? Just thinking out loud. And hoping.

If a team was to relocate to Seattle, about the only feasible temporary arena in the Puget Sound region would be the Tacoma Dome -- and even that's marginal. Bottom line -- if ground isn't already broken on a new arena, Seattle can forget about an NHL team. Hockey fans in Seattle will have to drive the two-plus hours north to see the Vancouver Canucks (which is what I did all the time in my three years in Seattle in the 1990s).

[CubsFanBudMan]

And we were coming along so well with the Panthers analysis on the last page. Let's investigate that some more, even if we won't like what we find when we continue down that path. (A recolor?)

If only there was a "Here We Go Again" thread masquerading as a "Winnipeg Appreciation Station" where relocation enthusiasts could gather.

On topic... Honestly at this point if they just lost the bib strings I could live with it. But only because the double-blue threat was so close. Glad the video said "true colors" when an image of that jersey was shown.

[fishheatcats]

As a Panthers fan, a straight recolor of the current sweater to red would be acceptable, but that's partially due to the "double-blue threat", as CubsFanBudMan put it, that has been looming over the horizon the last 2 seasons.

Interesting analysis on the teaser pic. My view is that the pics are studio shots they set up for the marketing promo. The white jerseys do have the white outline on the crest. My replica version has it, but you can also see it on the pic of Anthony Stewart a few posts back. The white jerseys also do not have the piping around the collar like the navy ones do. Looks like they approximated the new look as best they could without giving any of the details away(white jersey, blue helmet, perhaps socks from the light blue 3rd) and tried to 'shop the piping off the front.

And sorry to go off topic again, but the guy who commented on the record playoff drought awhile back is right on the money. Put that kind of suck in any market and you will see attendance struggles. And it only seems to be Florida teams(and all Southern hockey teams) that catch heat as "bad sports markets". I never hear any shots at KC, Oakland or Cleveland when it comes to baseball attendance(and none of them play in the worst stadium in baseball by a wide margin). Where's the hate on Indiana, Philly and New Jersey when it come's to the NBA? The Isles in hockey? And those are all long-time markets with plenty of history behind their teams. As team performance dips, so does support, that's how it goes everywhere with a few exceptions. As someone who frequents games for all of South Florida's big 4 teams, and has season tickets and travels as a member of the supporters group for our minor league soccer team the Strikers, it irks me when people take shots at my town. We're not the best, but we're still a relatively young market(except for the Dolphins), and the ineptness of Marlins and Panthers ownership have not helped grow the fanbase down here.

Hopefully the Cats turn it around ASAP and they can pick up where they left off on growing the hockey fanbase after there first few seasons. The recent hires and the move towards the traditional Panthers look with the red are at least some signs of hope that we won't be the next Atlanta.

[DrAwesomeberry]

As a Panthers fan, a straight recolor of the current sweater to red would be acceptable, but that's partially due to the "double-blue threat", as CubsFanBudMan put it, that has been looming over the horizon the last 2 seasons.

Interesting analysis on the teaser pic. My view is that the pics are studio shots they set up for the marketing promo. The white jerseys do have the white outline on the crest. My replica version has it, but you can also see it on the pic of Anthony Stewart a few posts back. The white jerseys also do not have the piping around the collar like the navy ones do. Looks like they approximated the new look as best they could without giving any of the details away(white jersey, blue helmet, perhaps socks from the light blue 3rd) and tried to 'shop the piping off the front.

And sorry to go off topic again, but the guy who commented on the record playoff drought awhile back is right on the money. Put that kind of suck in any market and you will see attendance struggles. And it only seems to be Florida teams(and all Southern hockey teams) that catch heat as "bad sports markets". I never hear any shots at KC, Oakland or Cleveland when it comes to baseball attendance(and none of them play in the worst stadium in baseball by a wide margin). Where's the hate on Indiana, Philly and New Jersey when it come's to the NBA? The Isles in hockey? And those are all long-time markets with plenty of history behind their teams. As team performance dips, so does support, that's how it goes everywhere with a few exceptions. As someone who frequents games for all of South Florida's big 4 teams, and has season tickets and travels as a member of the supporters group for our minor league soccer team the Strikers, it irks me when people take shots at my town. We're not the best, but we're still a relatively young market(except for the Dolphins), and the ineptness of Marlins and Panthers ownership have not helped grow the fanbase down here.

Hopefully the Cats turn it around ASAP and they can pick up where they left off on growing the hockey fanbase after there first few seasons. The recent hires and the move towards the traditional Panthers look with the red are at least some signs of hope that we won't be the next Atlanta.

The A's play in the worst stadium in the majors.