sc49erfan15 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've ever had a thread to discuss match fixing. Accusations about the NBA (specifically this year's Finals) being rigged seem to abound at the moment. Personally, I think that rigging a major professional sport in 2016 would be near-impossible, and most that throw around accusations of fixing are ether a butthurt fan, wearing a tinfoil hat, or a butthurt fan wearing a tinfoil hat. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It's a lot easier to fix matches outside of the United States, other than World Cup qualifiers and possibly tennis. Some matches leading up to the last World Cup are suspect due to known match fixers finding ways to even supply refs for matches. Last year there were allegations of possible match fixing at several ATP men's tennis tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyk33 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 31 minutes ago, sc49erfan15 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've ever had a thread to discuss match fixing. Accusations about the NBA (specifically this year's Finals) being rigged seem to abound at the moment. I wasn't a member back then but I'm pretty sure there had to have been a discussion about the 2002 Western Conference Finals somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Well, if I'm being completely honest here, I've always thought that the NBA is probably, if not somewhat rigged, at least heavily influenced by the league at times when it comes to officiating. But it's nothing new, and they aren't alone in this. It's pretty much always been that way. Jordan got some of the most WTF calls in sports history, so did Kobe, so does Lebron, and so does Curry. It's just the nature of the league. And in a lot of cases, it makes sense. You cater to your superstars because that's who everyone wants to see. And it's not like the NBA is alone in this. Soccer has a TERRIBLE issue with this, the strike zone is more friendly at times to star baseball players, and the NFL is so discombobulated when it comes to officiating now that you never know what's a foul and what's not. As for the Dubs game the other night that people are calling rigged? They didn't lose because the calls were particularly egregious against them (in NBA terms), they lost because it took them nearly seven minutes to score their first bucket, and they did some WNBA by scoring ELEVEN freaking points in the first quarter. Honestly, the lesson that can be learned from all this "rigged" talk about this series is to just ignore basketball fans and ignore the outside coverage, because it's all unequivocally terrible. Basketball is covered in hands down the dumbest possible manner where every single thing is a controversary, and every moment is a life altering sky is falling moment. One minute a team is in dire trouble, and the next they're unbeatable, and this changes game to game if not minute to minute. That's why I think a large chunk of NBA fans are hands down the dumbest group of fans in any sport. It's hard not to be when the way the sport is covered is basically a non stop overreaction to everything. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CS85 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Anytime my teams have ever lost, the outcome was rigged. Quote "You are nothing more than a small cancer on this message board. You are not entertaining, you are a complete joke." twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't think the NBA is rigged. I think it's way too hard to pull that off, and I think good performance can overcome bad calls any time. The only truly terrible, indefensible call I've ever seen was the called foul on Mike Bibby after Kobe elbowed him in the face, but these many years later I don't remember the circumstance. I think the Kings could have benefited from that call not having had happened. I do think there's a lot of weirdness in soccer, behind the scenes and on the pitch. There are whole levels of cultural differences, expectations and so on that you can't ever really be sure you're getting a fair go. In American football, I think the calls are rigged in favor of offense, but I think that's also because the rulebook is written that way. Pass interference is called way too much, and perhaps that is an example of literally "fixing" the game. But outright sabotage? I don't see it in American pro sports. Internationally, who knows. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The NBA isn't rigged outright, it just has a way of leading to ultimately desired outcomes. Think less pre-determined and more Protestant determinism: everything that deserves to happen will end up happening. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Rigged? No. Outcome strongly influenced? Yes. SB XL seemed to be a case where they couldn't rig the game, but officials may have been told to give Pittsburgh the breaks and more heavily scrutinize Seattle. I don't believe that any player could be part of a scandal, considering how much money they all make now, but I have no doubts that the league can have referees at least put one team in position to succeed more than the other. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Can't find the article, but there was a NHL referee who later admitted to putting the screws to Eric Lindros in games for not signing autographs for him to auction off or give to his kids. Lindros is one of my most hated NHLers of all time, maybe even #1 if you don't ask me after a live game with someone else I hate, but I gotta side with him on this one: refs hitting players up for memorabilia to sell and getting revenge when they can't is serious garage-league stuff. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcj882000 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 That sounds like another one for the OITGDNHL book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieboy82 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 the WWE and boxing is rigged, but we already knew that. anyway, sometimes i wonder if these leagues are rigged by the leagues themselves (not outright like the WWE) or there partners so they can get there money's worth. its a billion dollar business do you think they want to have teams in the finals with no fan base or get low final ratings. so long and thanks for all the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lights Out Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I think certain teams, players, storylines, etc. get the benefit of a friendly whistle, but blatant rigging is impossible because of the inherent randomness of sports. POTD: 2/4/12 3/4/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viola73 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Wasn't there a gambling scandal recently involving an NBA referee not too long ago. I'm not sure if "rigged games" came into play but I think after the facts came out there were a few questionable calls made in games this guy officiated. Then there is college sports.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 3 hours ago, the admiral said: The NBA isn't rigged outright, it just has a way of leading to ultimately desired outcomes. Think less pre-determined and more Protestant determinism: everything that deserves to happen will end up happening. This is close to what I think...it is almost a continuum between totally legit and rigged. And when we all know superstars get preferential treatment, it moves down that continuum some. I personally think the NBA hedges its bets by allowing this since viewers generally want to watch stars play. These discussions tend to focus on the black and white of how someone would spill the beans but ignore the more subtle departures from legitimacy. The NBA has more questions about legitimacy than the other North American leagues and rightly so. regarding player involvement with gamblers, they make too much money to make it worth the risk. Still an issue in college. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin W. Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 The NBA is definitely rigged. The aforementioned favorable calls for Jordan, Kobe, Lebron and Curry are the most common example, but the 1985 Draft Lottery was rigged to give Ewing to the Knicks and anyone with half a brain knows that the league wanted the Lakers in the 2002 Finals instead of the Kings. It's a media-driven business. The league needs money and they get it through ad revenue. They get less of it when smaller market teams are playing. Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (CHL - 2018 Orr Cup Champions) Chicago Rivermen (UBA/WBL - 2014, 2015, 2017 Intercontinental Cup Champions) King's Own Hexham FC (BIP - 2022 Saint's Cup Champions) Portland Explorers (EFL - Elite Bowl XIX Champions) Real San Diego (UPL) Red Bull Seattle (ULL - 2018, 2019, 2020 Gait Cup Champions) Vancouver Huskies (CL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I agree with the majority here, I think that no sport is ever rigged. It'd be too hard and tbh the risks probably don't outweigh the benefits, simply because you can still heavily influence the result of a game without a trace. But I do think that almost all spora, in some way or another, are skewed towards the star players. That's true in basketball, football (both kinds), baseball, and hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001mark Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Top tier sports, I severely doubt it. If LeBron's teams are rigged to win, did it start when he was in high school? Cuz... yeah. Bottom rung? Absolutely. 4th tier soccer clubs giving it up for money to live on is surely alive & kicking. @2001mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElwoodCuse Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I'm not so much interested in the NBA "rigging" games as the Michael Jordan gambling thing. Who, besides Stern and MJ, who will never talk, know just exactly went down with his first "retirement"? If he really was betting on Bulls games a bookie somewhere would know, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coast2CoastAM2006 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 There is nothing about the NBA finals that is rigged. GS had a 3-1 series lead and is crapping the bed in epic proportions. LeBron is simply putting on a world beating performance that would make Michael Jordan envious. Which is why Cleveland is going to win the series, and make no mistake Cleveland is winning Sunday night. They are going to win by 20 points and LeBron is going to cement his legacy as the greatest of all time. This isn't rigging, this is LeBron being the best player in the world right now. The Cleveland dream is going to be realized and you don't have to rig it make it happen. Spoilers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJourney Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 19 minutes ago, Coast2CoastAM2006 said: There is nothing about the NBA finals that is rigged. GS had a 3-1 series lead and is crapping the bed in epic proportions. LeBron is simply putting on a world beating performance that would make Michael Jordan envious. Which is why Cleveland is going to win the series, and make no mistake Cleveland is winning Sunday night. They are going to win by 20 points and LeBron is going to cement his legacy as the greatest of all time. This isn't rigging, this is LeBron being the best player in the world right now. The Cleveland dream is going to be realized and you don't have to rig it make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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