NFL Offseason 2021: Ride the QB Carousel of Horror

[See Red]

1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

It’s simple, really. It’s as if merit and qualification no longer matters. If you’re branded a certain way and are loud enough, that’s all it really takes anymore. We, as a society, worship losers. 
 

I really don’t want to get into the full scope of it, like, right here. 

 

That seems unfair. As far as merit and qualifications, he's one of the best college football players ever, which seems relevant when you're considering someone for an NFL contract, his work ethic isn't questioned considering he's supposedly still in playing shape nine years later, and he has had a very successful working relationship with the head coach in the past. 

 

That seems like enough for what amounts to a chance in training camp, which is all this really is.

[Red Wolf]

Being a Broncos fan during Tebowmania was so annoying. It really is bizarre how many people latched on to that guy as if he was the Second Coming. I couldn't make the slightest criticism without people jumping down my throat. Like it's cool and all that he's a Christian, but you know who else is a Christian football player? Basically every football player. It's a rare sight when a player doesn't thank God and/or Jesus after a big win.

 

Also, the Broncos should nuke their next few drafts for Rodgers.

[FiddySicks]

27 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

That seems unfair. As far as merit and qualifications, he's one of the best college football players ever, which seems relevant when you're considering someone for an NFL contract, his work ethic isn't questioned considering he's supposedly still in playing shape nine years later, and he has had a very successful working relationship with the head coach in the past. 

 

That seems like enough for what amounts to a chance in training camp, which is all this really is.

He graduated from college TWELVE YEARS AGO. He then had a full NFL career that pretty much showed everyone that he can’t cut it. He had his shot. At this point, it’s nothing but a sad attempt to sell jerseys. The Tebow worship made absolutely no sense to me back then, but now? It’s insanity. He comes across to me as a modern day Bruce Jenner. Was once incredible at what he did, and has been desperately been trying to cling onto relevance pretty much ever since.  
 

I’ll say this much, to be totally fair, it’s not really his fault that people are still dumb enough to buy what he’s selling. It’s garbage, but it’s also his right to get a bag any way he can. It’s just completely pathetic that people are still eating this all up. Especially considering how things have gone the past few years. 

 

People are ignoring what’s actually in the box (it’s empty), because they’re distracted by the fancy packaging. 
 

 

Final thing, and then I’ll ease up. Whatever Jacksonville has coming their way this season on the field, they’ll have completely earned. 

[See Red]

7 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

He graduated from college TWELVE YEARS AGO. He had his shot. At this point, it’s nothing but a sad attempt to sell jerseys. The Tebow worship made absolutely no sense to me back then, but now? It’s insanity. 

 

They're basically inviting him to training camp as, like, a 5th string TE, not naming him starting QB.

[FiddySicks]

Look, I know that sports don’t operate in this vacuum of meritocracy we all wish it did. But if you can’t see how inviting Tim Tebow to training camp in 2021 isn’t problematic, I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree then.

[BBTV]

2 hours ago, LMU said:

In fairness, sadly, college basketball players somehow latch on as tight ends with no experience (see: Antonio Gates), so Tebow may still find a way to back into another job.

 

I think the whole "he didn't start playing football until he was 18" thing is overrated.  It's not rocket science - and TE is probably the easiest position to learn from scratch.  You just have to learn a few patterns, and only have to block half the time - they can dumb it down for any big athletic person to learn really quickly.  I'd think center or anywhere else on the OL would be a harder thing for someone to just pick up and start at.

 

2 hours ago, dont care said:

It’s about par for the course here, especially when you have people on here wishing for worse because they choose to have “III” on the NOB’s

 

Writing on an internet message board that you hope someone pulls a groin or something isn't going to make it happen.  And @CS85 saying it's a "little much" after all he's written about the Bears over the years is... well, a "little much".

 

 

 

[DCarp1231]

Tebow is almost certainly just a camp body and quite honestly... more than likely a publicity stunt by Jacksonville. I get the why. The Urban Myer connection, but this would’ve made a lot more sense if Myer made his way to Jacksonville after Del Rio got canned in 2011. Football Jesus is 33 years old. Absolutely zero reason to return to the NFL as any other position besides QB.

[OnWis97]

17 hours ago, LMU said:

In fairness, sadly, college basketball players somehow latch on as tight ends with no experience (see: Antonio Gates), so Tebow may still find a way to back into another job.

I'm not convinced Gates is a great example of why this is problematic, given that he was a pretty successful player.

I'm as much of a Tebow detractor as most people (though clearly not as much as some on this thread) but I don't have a big problem with this (in a vacuum, anyway*). I'm assuming there's no or very little guaranteed money. And while he's almost a cult leader, I really don't see him making the team if his abilities/performance don't warrant it. Will he? I have my doubts but let's not pretend he's not a great athlete with great football knowledge. 

 

*Of course, it is counter to the NFL's "distraction" aversion.

[DG_ThenNowForever]

11 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

*Of course, it is counter to the NFL's "distraction" aversion.

 

I'll just say it: Colin Kaepernick had starting level QB talent and was blackballed from the league. Tebow is a circus show. If Tebow should be able to walk back into a training camp, Kap should have received a shot. Several shots.

[MJWalker45]

5 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

I'll just say it: Colin Kaepernick had starting level QB talent and was blackballed from the league. Tebow is a circus show. If Tebow should be able to walk back into a training camp, Kap should have received a shot. Several shots.

Kap shot himself in the foot when he finally got the NFL to give him a publicized workout and then didn't show up and had his own set up somewhere else. You could argue he had a right to be miffed beforehand, but when you agree to something then change your mind and leave others in a lurch, you don't get to claim the high ground anymore. 

[DEAD!]

1 hour ago, OnWis97 said:

I'm not convinced Gates is a great example of why this is problematic, given that he was a pretty successful player.

I'm as much of a Tebow detractor as most people (though clearly not as much as some on this thread) but I don't have a big problem with this (in a vacuum, anyway*). I'm assuming there's no or very little guaranteed money. And while he's almost a cult leader, I really don't see him making the team if his abilities/performance don't warrant it. Will he? I have my doubts but let's not pretend he's not a great athlete with great football knowledge. 

 

*Of course, it is counter to the NFL's "distraction" aversion.

Tebow should have had aspirations of being a coach if he has such great football knowledge. He could have been a backup QB all these years and develop those coaching skills rather than going to play baseball. That's hindsight of course, but he could just go back to being a college football analyst. 

[ManillaToad]

1 hour ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

I'll just say it: Colin Kaepernick had starting level QB talent and was blackballed from the league. Tebow is a circus show. If Tebow should be able to walk back into a training camp, Kap should have received a shot. Several shots.

 

You mean like the Ravens considering signing him until his girlfriend compared Bisciotti to a slave owner? Or the NFL setting up an unprecedented workout attended by 25 scouts in 2019, in the middle of the season, that he canceled at the last minute so that he could hold a media event where he :censored: on the NFL? Why doesn't Jacksonville call up someone who hasn't played in five years and wants $20 million a year to contend for the starting job against their #1 overall pick?? It just doesn't make sense to me

[gosioux76]

On 5/11/2021 at 12:01 PM, ManillaToad said:

 

You mean like the Ravens considering signing him until his girlfriend compared Bisciotti to a slave owner? Or the NFL setting up an unprecedented workout attended by 25 scouts in 2019, in the middle of the season, that he canceled at the last minute so that he could hold a media event where he on the NFL? Why doesn't Jacksonville call up someone who hasn't played in five years and wants $20 million a year to contend for the starting job against their #1 overall pick?? It just doesn't make sense to me

 

I can't deny that the entire workout fiasco was an unfortunate debacle, but I wouldn't necessarily portray the NFL as the benevolent party here. You've got a player who believes (perhaps with good reason) that the league is out to get him and a league that would likely love nothing more than to see the player go away. There was absolutely ZERO reason for Kaepernick to trust the league's motives. Even representatives from multiple teams contacted Kaepernick's representatives (Source: USA Today) to say they understood neither the reason nor timing for the NFL-staged workout. The league, meanwhile, seemed to do little to assuage Kaepernick's concerns.

 

I mean, the guy asked to bring his own crew in to film because he didn't trust that the league wouldn't doctor the workout videos to make him look worse than he is. That's an easy situation to rectify if you're on the level: Let him record his own workout. 

 

Even Jerry Jones -- a guy who knows a thing or two about political shenanigans -- saw the whole episode for what it was:

 

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"That situation probably from the get-go had a lot more that wasn't about football involved in it, and consequently, we got the results of that dynamic.' Source: USA Today

 

Perhaps the comparisons between Tebow and Kaepernick are unfair, particularly to Tebow, who's certainly within his right to seek out yet another chance at success. But trying to dismiss those comparisons under the guise that Kaepernick was given a chance and squandered it is, to me, a greater injustice. 

 

[tBBP]

Since the subject of basketballers-turned-footballers done came up, here's an interesting piece about the history of said phenomenon.  (Interesting that at the forefront of this movement was the same team with whom some guy named Jimmy basically invented the "big board").

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/long-history-of-basketball-players-converted-to-nfl-players-0ap2000000335488

[See Red]

2 hours ago, ManillaToad said:

You mean like the Ravens considering signing him until his girlfriend compared Bisciotti to a slave owner?

 

Per Ray Lewis, a noted critic of Kaepernick's kneeling whose word on this should be met with a healthy level of skepticism.

[dont care]

3 hours ago, See Red said:

 

Per Ray Lewis, a noted critic of Kaepernick's kneeling whose word on this should be met with a healthy level of skepticism.

So the tweet never happened? So the reports that Biscotti was showing “resistance” to signing Kap were false? Come on dude would rather be a Martyr than a football player, and that’s really all you can say about him.

[Red Comet]

Probably didn’t help that Kap didn’t want to take a prove-it contract

 

Granted, article is from 2016 before the kneeling. Guy did sacrifice his career for his cause but his career was circling the drain until he had a bounce-back season in 2016. Unfortunately for him, ratings went down and a plurality of those polled as to why they didn’t watch cited the kneeling. And if ratings continued to go down, that would give the networks a better hand when it came time for a new TV contract. So, the reason Kaepernick got blackballed was that he could’ve cost the NFL a lot of money in TV deals. Doesn’t make what the NFL did right, but it does explain their rationale. 

[DnBronc]

On 5/10/2021 at 7:09 PM, Red Wolf said:

Also, the Broncos should nuke their next few drafts for Rodgers.

 

Bronco fan here. I don't think they should nuke their next few drafts to get him. He is great, but he is 37. I would offer just one first-rounder for him (2022), a second and fifth-rounder (2023), WR Tim Patrick (who can start for them), WR-KR Diontae Spencer (as a throw-in), and either Drew Lock or Teddy Bridgewater (their choice).

[See Red]

4 hours ago, dont care said:

So the tweet never happened? So the reports that Biscotti was showing “resistance” to signing Kap were false? Come on dude would rather be a Martyr than a football player, and that’s really all you can say about him.

 

Sure the tweet happened. It's the "little did she know, we were working on getting him signed when she tweeted it" that I doubt.

[See Red]

3 hours ago, Red Comet said:

Probably didn’t help that Kap didn’t want to take a prove-it contract

 

Granted, article is from 2016 before the kneeling. Guy did sacrifice his career for his cause but his career was circling the drain until he had a bounce-back season in 2016. Unfortunately for him, ratings went down and a plurality of those polled as to why they didn’t watch cited the kneeling. And if ratings continued to go down, that would give the networks a better hand when it came time for a new TV contract. So, the reason Kaepernick got blackballed was that he could’ve cost the NFL a lot of money in TV deals. Doesn’t make what the NFL did right, but it does explain their rationale. 

 

He had one bad year on a team that was coached by Mike Tomsula.  This is a league where Mike Glennon got 3 years, $45m... "circling the drain" is being a little dramatic.