NHL changes 2019-20

[msu]

2 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

"Redneck" was coined by white people to refer to other white people. And is therefore not disparaging based on race. 

 

Seems like you also encourage class shaming. You’re so much better than the “poors” hey?!

[IceCap]

2 minutes ago, msu said:

 

Seems like you also encourage class shaming. You’re so much better than the “poors” hey?!

Nah, there are poor white people who aren't rednecks. 

 

3 minutes ago, Still MIGHTY said:

I've always considered "redneck" to be more of a lifestyle thing than a racial white thing, but I don't know.

 

People find strange hills to die on, man.

Anyway @msu that ^ is what "redneck" refers to. You got anything else? Any other avenues of confrontation you wanna try to manufacture out of this one?

[msu]

Not as strange as the hill of redneck is a joke. That term makes fun of people based on race and class according to the dictionary. How is that funny at all? Or relevant to a new hockey jersey?

[msu]

Maybe if the mod kept the discussion to jerseys and logos like this forum is supposed to be instead of actively participating and using an insensitive term based on insulting a race and class of people, things wouldn’t be so confrontational.

[IceCap]

6 minutes ago, msu said:

Not as strange as the hill of redneck is a joke. That term makes fun of people based on race and class according to the dictionary. How is that funny at all? Or relevant to a new hockey jersey?

It's got nothing to do with race, as has been explained to you. 

 

You could make the case that it's based on class, however as @Still MIGHTY explained it's become more of a out-and-out cultural thing, regardless of race or class. That you chose to get offended by "Redneck Rangers" as a joke and then make it a hill to die on is the problem here. AFTER using a disagreement about a Rangers jersey to get confrontational. 

 

So no. No dice here. You're going to have to find a way to deal with it. 

[sky1324]

I think the new Canes jersey looks okay, nothing great, but not awful, either. My biggest nitpick is that the hurricane flag striping isn't actually a hurricane flag, because the little squares aren't black. This seems to be messed up a lot with this franchise, and it's literally impossible to mess up on without trying. It's not correct on the new whites, it's not correct on the reds, and it's not correct on the blacks. If they wanted to utilize what I think is an excellent idea for striping, they need to execute it properly. I also honestly feel they've been restricted by their location (again): because they share an arena with NC State, they pretty much need to use red/black/white for co-branding, but so many other teams use red/black/white so well, the Canes are in a tricky spot. 

[Eastport76]

Hurricanes: Hey Rangers, can we copy your homework for our new roads?

 

It's just a joke, but the new roads aren't looking good. Just a bootleg version of Rangers's jerseys. Only thing I like is the flag pattern across the waist. Come on, this is easy. Just add a flag pattern on bottom of the former roads. 

[mcj882000]

1 hour ago, msu said:

Maybe if the mod kept the discussion to jerseys and logos like this forum is supposed to be instead of actively participating and using an insensitive term based on insulting a race and class of people, things wouldn’t be so confrontational.

Hi, nobody else here cares, drop it please

[andrewharrington]

I suggest we just eliminate the guesswork and avoid using any slurs, regardless of the origin, the intent, or what category of superficial characteristic it disparages. We’re adults.

 

How about that hockey?

[FiddySicks]

2 hours ago, msu said:

Maybe if the mod kept the discussion to jerseys and logos like this forum is supposed to be instead of actively participating and using an insensitive term based on insulting a race and class of people, things wouldn’t be so confrontational.

 

I just wanted to thank you for bringing such a strong sense of awareness to the term which I created, therefore galvanizing it in CCSLC lore. This is my “stick won’t injury you” moment. It’s a proud day, indeed. 

[daniel75]

Alright already.

[AstroCree]

The font makes it look like a cheap Target brand jersey. I don’t like this uniform. Should’ve said “CAROLINA” instead. 

[VikWings]

10 hours ago, DC in Da House w/o a Doubt said:

Here's a good, clear look at em:

 

 

 

 

 

The Canes wordmark ruins an otherwise beautiful jersey. Seems more like an alternate. Should have stuck this on the black jersey if they wanted it that bad.

[The_Admiral]

3 hours ago, msu said:

Maybe if the mod kept the discussion to jerseys and logos like this forum is supposed to be instead of actively participating and using an insensitive term based on insulting a race and class of people, things wouldn’t be so confrontational.

 

[SFGiants58]

1 minute ago, the admiral said:

 

 

Guardian Beast Tyrannosaurus is really trying to sell Dragon Caesar in this match. Maybe the Guardian Beast just wants to help his buddy look good while he's recovering from a big hit he took a few nights before from a cage deathmatch.

 

Anyway, about the jersey, it's OK. Just OK. 

[Ridleylash]

I mean, being completely honest, the Canes' new away jersey is better with the shoulders then the Rangers jersey. And considering the prevalence of college sports in NC, especially since the Hurricanes are basically on a college campus? It makes perfect sense to lean into that and go for a look that local fans will get behind, especially since the team isn't trash anymore.

 

I still think the "CANES" is temporary while Dundon and co. make a new primary logo, but I can't blame them for going to a design philosophy that NC is all over in terms of sports as a temporary measure.

[infrared41]

4 hours ago, msu said:

Not as strange as the hill of redneck is a joke. That term makes fun of people based on race and class according to the dictionary. How is that funny at all? 

 

I hate to have to brag a little to make a point, but in this case, I have to. I am retired at 58 years old, I have plenty of money, live next to a golf course whose first fairway borders on my back yard. I worked in radio and TV management for 25 years. I am a proud alum of The Ohio State University and University of Toledo.  I grew up in a middle class neighborhood. I am also a proud, NASCAR loving, Harley riding, son of Kentucky hillbillies redneck. Being called a redneck is a lot of things and a racial slur isn’t any of them. Sorry, but you’re flat out wrong on this one. 

 

Edit: FWIW, I also own a double wide in Florida. So I guess I qualify as a redneck even more than I thought. 

[IceCap]

24 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

Anyway, about the jersey, it's OK. Just OK. 

I actually like that they've decided to minimize the primary logo. The Hurricanes' primary has never worked for me, and I much prefer the warning flag mark. So I'm happy to see they kept that one on the shoulders.

 

I have a weakness for diagonal wordmark sweaters, but the choice of "CANES" doesn't do anything for me. I would have preferred either "HURRICANES" or "CAROLINA." Both because team nicknames look bush league and because I think the more letters the better is a general rule when it comes to diagonal wordmark sweaters.

I would have also preferred striping that matched the home reds. I don't think that mismatched logos are inherently a bad thing (I have a weakness for this Penguins set) but I think you need as much consistency as possible to pull it off. Mirroring the home striping would have gone a long way towards bringing it together. As it is now they're the Wild of the Eastern Conference. Three mismatching sweaters. It's not a good look.

 

So I'd say they're ok, but frustrating because they're only a few small design choices away from being really solid.

 

 

[andrewharrington]

And naturally, just because you’re not personally offended by something doesn’t mean everyone feels the same. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on the matter, those terms don’t exactly make the world a better place, and I promise we’ll all be fine without them. No reason to poke the bear.

[IceCap]

3 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

And naturally, just because you’re not personally offended by something doesn’t mean everyone feels the same. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on the matter, those terms don’t exactly make the world a better place, and I promise we’ll all be fine without them. No reason to poke the bear.

"Redneck Rangers" isn't offensive in the slightest. It's a fun nickname based off of the fact that they opted to go with a design element currently employed by only one other team, the New York Ranegrs. One dude throwing a temper tantrum doesn't change that.

 

Is it also poking fun at the team? Yeah, but what I said back when this started still stands. Every team gets poked fun of. That's trash talk. If "Redneck Rangers" offends a hockey fan so much than perhaps they need to re-evaluate a few things.

 

You implored us to get back to the hockey, and I did that in the post above. So where do we stand?