WavePunter Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, ramsjetsthunder said: Let's get this straight here: Matte Satin Chrome Metallic Metallic w/ Heavy Gloss Finish Standard Gloss Yes, those are sort of the basic terms WE use, but not necessarily their "official" names.. In order, Riddell would classify the finishes as follows: Flat Anodized Chrome Metallic Lightning *Impregnated (as previously pointed out, this is actually another example of metallic, but the Steelers are an example of impregnated shell color - "High Gloss" would be the other alternative that we would view as "standard gloss") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Akronite- Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, WSU151 said: The only NFL team that uses a standard finish is the Steelers. Is this true? What do the Packers have? Or the Bengals? I feel like I'm bad at telling between some of the finishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, -Akronite- said: Is this true? What do the Packers have? Or the Bengals? I feel like I'm bad at telling between some of the finishes. I don't know exactly where it falls (I'm also bad at telling the difference) but the Packers helmets do have some metallic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, -Akronite- said: Is this true? What do the Packers have? Or the Bengals? I feel like I'm bad at telling between some of the finishes. Yea as See Red said, the Packers have a metallic finish (I think they introduced it in the 2000s)...and the Bengals might be standard...but with an extra clear gloss coat...idk have to check. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 hours ago, WSU151 said: The only NFL team that uses a standard finish is the Steelers. I don't doubt this statement, I just didn't expect it.. surprising that one of the white helmet teams doesn't use a standard shell.. or maybe the bears.. jaguars.. Texans..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, WavePunter said: I don't doubt this statement, I just didn't expect it.. surprising that one of the white helmet teams doesn't use a standard shell.. or maybe the bears.. jaguars.. Texans..? I think the steelers actually do something to dull the finish of their helmets or it's injected black not sure? I also thought the bears also used injected navy but I believe someone corrected me saying it was painted navy. Would be nice to get a full nfl list again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 The Steelers are injected and I think the Bears are too? The Steelers look duller because they don’t buff and polish them weekly. What about the Colts? I think those are a molded white shell. Im gonna miss the Falcons glossy helmets. I love that look on the Jaguars as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGP Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 hours ago, WavePunter said: *Impregnated I've known for years that's an official term for that type of helmet finish, and it still always catches me off guard when brought up in conversation. I've got a dribbble, check it out if you like my stuff; alternatively, if you hate my stuff, send it to your enemies to punish their insolence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, MDGP said: I've known for years that's an official term for that type of helmet finish, and it still always catches me off guard when brought up in conversation. Yeah.. I guess it kinda has a double meaning..? At least in my mind... First, the way the color is put into the raw plastic material (before the molding process, as opposed to painting after), And second, injecting the melted plastic into the molds to get a helmet that doesn't require further coloring.. I guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 hours ago, WSU151 said: Yea as See Red said, the Packers have a metallic finish (I think they introduced it in the 2000s)...and the Bengals might be standard...but with an extra clear gloss coat...idk have to check. I think the Bengals actually wear black helmets that are taped off with the stripes and then painted orange. Similar to what Michigan does. It could be the other way around (orange helmet painted black), but I would imagine black is probably an easier/cheaper color to make the shell out of. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, FiddySicks said: I think the Bengals actually wear black helmets that are taped off with the stripes and then painted orange. Similar to what Michigan does. It could be the other way around (orange helmet painted black), but I would imagine black is probably an easier/cheaper color to make the shell out of. I think you're correct, but I think it's a black helmet that gets painted black first, then painted orange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j'villejags Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, FiddySicks said: I think the Bengals actually wear black helmets that are taped off with the stripes and then painted orange. Similar to what Michigan does. It could be the other way around (orange helmet painted black), but I would imagine black is probably an easier/cheaper color to make the shell out of. Interesting. If you zoom on this, you can actually see the orange overspray in the nooks and crannies of the Speedflex. My NFL concept series (in progress) --ATL, CLE, NE, WAS done. AZ updated 04/21/23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjs11 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 hours ago, guest23 said: I think the steelers actually do something to dull the finish of their helmets or it's injected black not sure? I also thought the bears also used injected navy but I believe someone corrected me saying it was painted navy. Would be nice to get a full nfl list again. What is injected navy? Just comes out of the tool with the colorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, tjs11 said: What is injected navy? Just comes out of the tool with the colorant? Polycarbonate shells for a very long period of time (circa late 70's to mid 90's) came in standard color palettes. I am not a molded plastics expert but they basically put a dye in with the liquid poly to color it before it gets molded and hardens. I'm guessing this was sold as a feature as a low maintenance non chipping feature over painted shells. In the mid-late 90's metallic flake started to be sold as a premium finish by riddell and schutt and the trend shifted back to painted shells. This is technology is also the reason for the robin egg blue broncos helmet and the reason why the giants and rams opted for navy shells while wearing royal dark jerseys. EDIT: Forgot to add that there are better experts here to give a full explanation so consider this statement a fair generalization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbofox Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 9 hours ago, See Red said: I don't know exactly where it falls (I'm also bad at telling the difference) but the Packers helmets do have some metallic. I'd say technically gloss with small amount of gold fleck. Not sure there's a name for it. The first year they had it, I wanna say 1999, I thought it just rained every game. I've never been accused of being smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjs11 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 15 minutes ago, guest23 said: Polycarbonate shells for a very long period of time (circa late 70's to mid 90's) came in standard color palettes. I am not a molded plastics expert but they basically put a dye in with the liquid poly to color it before it gets molded and hardens. I'm guessing this was sold as a feature as a low maintenance non chipping feature over painted shells. In the mid-late 90's metallic flake started to be sold as a premium finish by riddell and schutt and the trend shifted back to painted shells. This is technology is also the reason for the robin egg blue broncos helmet and the reason why the giants and rams opted for navy shells while wearing royal dark jerseys. EDIT: Forgot to add that there are better experts here to give a full explanation so consider this statement a fair generalization. gotcha. so they just put the colorant into the resin as they shoot the mold. It comes out as a fully blue (for example) piece of plastic so that you don't have the layer chipping that you'd otherwise have with painted shells. totally explains the difference in color in the Giants and Rams uniforms. Really tough to match resin colorant with fabric with paper color chips with pastic color chips to paint chips...and it just causes a cluster...I deal with this in my work and it's a pain every day...but helps with the chipping if that's a concern. I recall as a kid thinking the Bears' helmets were black and jerseys were blue. So I assume high schools just pick from a catalog of resin shell colors for the most part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakfu Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 5/27/2020 at 8:35 PM, L10nheart404 said: It's not the negativity I'm responding to...but on a site where details are King, it's annoying to keep seeing people describe a satin helmet as matte; or to see people say " that uniform has way too much going on", when it's in fact, only two design elements, other than the number font itself. The uniforms are actually pretty minimalistic, is the point I'm trying to make. Don't have a care who likes them lol I think that's what I don't like: too much in some places, not enough in others. Minimalist design where the main elements are nontraditional and seem jarring. Wordmark on the front and little on the sleeves is a different balance that we're not used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L10nheart404 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 4 hours ago, chakfu said: Wordmark on the front and little on the sleeves is a different balance that we're not used to. I think this what it all comes down to; people aren't used to seeing these design elements. I just have a hard time seeing people really advocating for the old jerseys... The new ones are so much cleaner and better. I think the balance works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 The steelers are duller than others because they don’t paint their shells like others, they also do not polish their helmets like other teams unless there is sever damage over the course of the season so you will see smudges and scrapes over the course of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 8 hours ago, guest23 said: Polycarbonate shells for a very long period of time (circa late 70's to mid 90's) came in standard color palettes. I am not a molded plastics expert but they basically put a dye in with the liquid poly to color it before it gets molded and hardens. I'm guessing this was sold as a feature as a low maintenance non chipping feature over painted shells. In the mid-late 90's metallic flake started to be sold as a premium finish by riddell and schutt and the trend shifted back to painted shells. This is technology is also the reason for the robin egg blue broncos helmet and the reason why the giants and rams opted for navy shells while wearing royal dark jerseys. EDIT: Forgot to add that there are better experts here to give a full explanation so consider this statement a fair generalization. Non-metallic royal blue shells started in 1990 with Kansas, and then Ohio Glory of the WLAF in 1992, and Duke wore them in 1994. The Broncos, Giants, and Rams could have made the change in the early 90s but chose not to. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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