Browns brown pants.

[jamdawg1]

Those things were a total abomination.

There should be a public bonfire ceremony to burn those things. I would gladly light the match.

The only Alternate Game Pants should be The "Kardiac Kids" Orange Pants & The "Throwback" versions of the White Pants with the thinner stripes.

[Sport]

[jamdawg1]

That's what the Browns were wearing when I was a kid. That's when I became a fan.

Thanks for the Sipe Pic.

[Burning River]

I liked the orange then... NOT the "spandex orange" of a few years ago. The spandex shimmer really makes today's uniforms look tacky.

A quick comment regarding the "Needs stripes" opinion and having it realated to college teams is this:

The Browns current and most recent uniform sets has / had stripes on the pants. To introduce a solid brown pant design was the wrong way to go. Even 2 orange stripes (no white) might have worked.

I will also agree with the "Looks like the Bengals" comment. That dark of brown really doesn't look as unique as using the color brown could be. It really did look black. Which made me think all of the other brown trim looks too close to black.

[Blue Falcon]

I liked the orange then... NOT the "spandex orange" of a few years ago. The spandex shimmer really makes today's uniforms look tacky.

I will also agree with the "Looks like the Bengals" comment. That dark of brown really doesn't look as unique as using the color brown could be. It really did look black. Which made me think all of the other brown trim looks too close to black.

Agreed, and if the Browns keep these pants it will just be further proof that the NFL is getting way too "dark" if you know what I mean. The trend/stampede towards navy blue started in 97 when the Broncos changed and won the Super Bowl. Now teams have mostly ditched lighter colors altogether, with the Jaguars going to black as well, and with the Browns ditching the wonderful orange pants.

[FiddySicks]

Uggh wow. I really expected to like the brown pants, but those are HORRIBLE!!!

[Chazberg]

They do need stripes down the side.

Why?

Does Florida State need stripes on their pants?

Does Michigan need stripes on their pants?

Does Notre Dame need stripes on their pants?

Does UCLA need stripes on their pants?

Does Penn State need stripes on their pants?

Does Texas need stripes on their pants?

All are traditional football uniforms, which most around here, get exicted talking about.

The Browns look good and the players like them. Its the players game; not the fans and not the folks around here.

And, the browns all MATCH perfectly too. The big bad Cowboys can't even do that.

Dennis is back again, more wrong than ever.

If it was the players' game and not the fans', then they'd be playing out in a dusty field somewhere, lacking any kind of uniform to play in, let alone their million of dollars. We pay their salaries by putting our asses in the seats and watching on TV. Sports is entertainment, which by definition means it was designed for people to watch. Without those people, it would be meaningless.

So I think what the people fueling the league think of how the product on the field looks matters a whole hell of a lot more than the schmuck out there catching the pass. If the players' opinions mattered, they'd all be running around in black one-piece leotards with piping and diamond plate texture.

And I KNOW you didn't just compare these brown pants to those of Michigan and Notre Dame.

Those teams have, ya know, about a hundred years of use and consistency on the new Cleveland Browns.

Also, stop pretending that saying "the players like them" makes it OK to interject your opinion like it's a fact.

All it will ever be is your opinion, which is NO more important than anyone else's here.

And I'm pretty sure you weren't in the Browns' locker room last night getting player feedback on the pants anyway,

so I'm guessing you have no better clue than I do how much the players like them.

[oldschoolvikings]

Yeah, the old "the players like them" remains the worst arguement ever used on these boards. First off, how do you really know what the player like? And even if you're right about that, why should it matter?

Look, when I have a plumber come in to my house, I don't ask him his opinion on the colors of the paint on my bathroom's walls. The players are amazing athletes... its obviously too much to ask them to also have good taste. When you ask their opinion, you'll end up looking like Oregon. And maybe Oregon can use the excuse of recruting to explain why they hand over the reigns of their designs to the kids, but an NFL team doesn't need to do that.

The good news is, we'll probably never see these things again (sorry Dennis... you'll have to visit a high school game to see this kinda stuff). Even if "the players like them", I can tell you for sure what the players DON'T like...

Getting their a$$es kicked on national TV, and being made fun of for how they look on SportCenter.

[njmeadowlanders]

They really need to lighten the Brown...make it light milk chocolate looking...otherwise it's just black

If you're going to use brown, make it look like brown...by day, by night, it has to look brown.

[Gothamite]

The good news is, we'll probably never see these things again (sorry Dennis... you'll have to visit a high school game to see this kinda stuff). Even if "the players like them", I can tell you for sure what the players DON'T like...

Getting their a$$es kicked on national TV, and being made fun of for how they look on SportCenter.

Wouldn't be the first time they wore something ugly in a pre-season game and came to their senses:

or maybe

[hawk36]

I think this is a good rule to follow in regards to football uni combos:

two of the three main elements of the uniform (helmet/jersey/pants) should be the same color.

That's why, IMO, the brown pants with brown jerseys (although still not great) would've looked much better than the combo they wore last night. Same reason I don't like the Bills red helmet, white jersey, blue pants combo among other things.

[dennisbergan]

If it was the players' game and not the fans', then they'd be playing out in a dusty field somewhere, lacking any kind of uniform to play in, let alone their million of dollars. We pay their salaries by putting our asses in the seats and

And I KNOW you didn't just compare these brown pants to those of Michigan and Notre Dame.

Those teams have, ya know, about a hundred years of use and consistency on the new Cleveland Browns.

Also, stop pretending that saying "the players like them" makes it OK to interject your opinion like it's a fact.

And I'm pretty sure you weren't in the Browns' locker room last night getting player feedback on the pants anyway,

so I'm guessing you have no better clue than I do how much the players like them.

Its the players game. Without the players, there is no game. Since they are the ones out there putting their asses on the line (as you say), they should have some opinion on how they look. Better them, then some pencil-neck geek fan, who thinks that all football uniforms should look like they did when they were a kid. Or some dork on a message board, who cant' deal with the fact that its not 1971 anymore.

Those schools I mentioned all are traditional WINNING football teams. The Browns tradition for the past 40 years, is that of a loser, who can't win a big game (or can't get to a big game). And, Michigan and Notre Dame (and others I mentioned) have all tweaked their looks throughout the years, to get into the 21st century of uniforms. Why? I bet the players had something to do with it.

And, since you and others don't want to believe that the players DO like them, here is some more proof for you....

I like the brown pants. They're different, definitely. But I like them. From the little I heard on the field a while ago, the players do, too

This comment came from a Browns beat writer last night.

The Browns have a decent traditional looking uniform. All those old foggies can harken back to the good ole' days of Brown football, when they were 4-10 and playing in the biggest dump of a stadium in the NFL. And, they still can have a traditional looking uniform, using brown pants on occasion too. They still have the old helmet, with the grey facemask. They still have the standard looking font numbers. They still have the traditional stripes on the sleeves. Adding a solid brown pant, does very little to diminish this "traditional" uniform. Just gives it some "energy", to what is normally a dull look.

And, people made fun of the Broncos when their new uniforms first came out. The guys on SportsCenter are tools anyway. Again, once people get used to seeing the BROWNS wearing BROWN pants, they will be fine. It will be OK. No need to panic. You traditionalists can join the other progressive people of the world. Its just football, BTW.

[TampaBayEverybodyLovesRays]

They really need to lighten the Brown...make it light milk chocolate looking...otherwise it's just black

If you're going to use brown, make it look like brown...by day, by night, it has to look brown.

That's what I was thinking while watching the game last night. "Why are the Browns wearing black pants?"

[Sodboy13]

Again, once people get used to seeing the BROWNS wearing BROWN pants, they will be fine. It will be OK. No need to panic. You traditionalists can join the other progressive people of the world.

For openers, I like the Rams' stripeless gold pants. I also like the stripeless purple pants of Northwestern. Know why? Not because I'm so anti-stripe crusdader or raging against the restraints of "traditionalism," but because they suit the look of the team, and tie in well with other elements of the uniform. On the Browns last night, it was stripes, stripes, stripes, and then Sansabelt slacks.

You really need to get a couple things through your head:

1. "Traditionalist" isn't the insult you think it is, and isn't necessarily being applied to the people you think it is. BYU, Oregon State, and San Jose State are among the football teams who have tried to boldy go "anti-traditional." The result was numerous piles of crap. Countering that, some non-traditional designs (Hawaii and, yes, the Broncos immediately come to my mind) have turned out quite well, and have become "traditional" in their own right. So, for the last time, stop equating new with good, and "traditional" with terrible and/or outdated. These terms are quite mutually exclusive.

2. Just because you have an opinion, or a group of players has an opinion, does not make it the de facto law of the land. Everytime you attempt to play this card, it makes you come off as an even bigger toolbag.

[vercetti]

They really need to lighten the Brown...make it light milk chocolate looking...otherwise it's just black

If you're going to use brown, make it look like brown...by day, by night, it has to look brown.

That pic right there pretty much sums up how much I like those pants...

[Sport]

And, people made fun of the Broncos when their new uniforms first came out. The guys on SportsCenter are tools anyway. Again, once people get used to seeing the BROWNS wearing BROWN pants, they will be fine. It will be OK. No need to panic. You traditionalists can join the other progressive people of the world. Its just football, BTW.

Not that you're not way cooler than everyone else, but you really need to stop with the attitude. It's getting to Johnnyfriedrice levels. I don't even think you're reading anyone else's posts since you keep spouting off the same points over and over. Those same points that have been rebuked by many here. Noone is wrong or right here. You can't be wrong when it comes to something as subjective as football uniform theory so stop acting like you hold the answers when clearly you're in the minority.

And stop with the tradition point. This isn't a matter of uniform tradition no matter how much you would like to believe it is. This isn't about how people are shocked to see the Browns wear brown pants. This is about overall football uniform design and the Browns pants violate a basic rule of football uniform design. The colors should provide balance with each other and the way they're presented should be balanced. These brown pants don't fit with the other three pieces of the uniform (helmet, jersey, socks).

All I want to hear from you is one reason you think these pants look good other than them being "different".

[Braden]

Well I was also a bit disappointed... but with a few tweaks (stripes), i think the Brown pants would look good.

It was DEFINITELY worthwile for them to try it out, especially for a preseason game. They used it properly too, with the away jerseys, as opposed to them trying an AOC look.

[southernyankee]

...oh, and they haven't called their Orange "Burnt Orange" since the 1974 season.

Okay - you've got me there Pantone! Guess I'm showing my age a bit eh?

[Lee.]

In the spirit and memory of TCR...

"NEEDS STRIPES!"

The funny thing is if the Browns actually wore their striped white socks, it probably would have improved the look two-fold. But, as it was, all that orange up top, compared to NO orange down bottom, made for a horrible imbalance. (And if HD can't make the Browns' brown appear, uh, brown, then I think that's a problem. IMO, the Browns need a lighter, brighter brown. (Is there such a thing as a "bright brown"???)

IIRC, that was the less infamous "fonz." Dude couldn't ever post more than seven words.

Five word or less answers, huge signature, added nothing to the conversation. He was the TrueYankee of his time.

That being said, I'm not a fan of this look, but I won't go overboard and make a poop joke or tell the internet to burn the pants. I'd be happy not to see them again, but it's not the end of the world if they make another appearance.

I agree with the stripes comments, as well as the "orange pants were great" camp. Changes need to be made.

you really need to stop with the attitude.

Physician, heal thyself.

[TruColor]

...oh, and they haven't called their Orange "Burnt Orange" since the 1974 season.

Okay - you've got me there Pantone! Guess I'm showing my age a bit eh?

I don't expect everyone to be as anal retentive as I am...that's why I'm here!